Re /in... Was in so fast I took up a reserved spot...
/in
I'm gonna /in, mine as well let Forum Mafia completely consume my life.
/in
hi gkrieg!
/in
I'm harry potter lol
ni\ce flavor!
/in
Are flavor names assigned independently of roles? This should be the case... Though it will certainly be weird to read "Welcome, you are Sirius Black, the Order's House Elf"...
/in
I'm harry potter lol
you could be harry potter ... AND a Death Eater.
tag
This is crazy tempting. I'll think about it.
Switch Mafia got me hooked. I'll /in. Though this does look quite a bit more complex than Switch. Ah well.
/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
In fact, I think I will reveal flavor names at the start of Day 1. They don't give any information about role or alignment, and then people can get into character if they want to.
/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
In fact, I think I will reveal flavor names at the start of Day 1. They don't give any information about role or alignment, and then people can get into character if they want to.
Hider.
/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
In fact, I think I will reveal flavor names at the start of Day 1. They don't give any information about role or alignment, and then people can get into character if they want to.
Hider.
How does hider make a difference? Or do you mean town would want to use the list as a way to utilize Hider?/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
In fact, I think I will reveal flavor names at the start of Day 1. They don't give any information about role or alignment, and then people can get into character if they want to.
Hider.
I agree that hider matters, but I think it's a big reason to reveal flavor names.
How does hider make a difference? Or do you mean town would want to use the list as a way to utilize Hider?/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
In fact, I think I will reveal flavor names at the start of Day 1. They don't give any information about role or alignment, and then people can get into character if they want to.
Hider.
I agree that hider matters, but I think it's a big reason to reveal flavor names.
/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1
In fact, I think I will reveal flavor names at the start of Day 1. They don't give any information about role or alignment, and then people can get into character if they want to.
/tag, hoping that the flavor will be as good as HP1You can contribute again if you want!
3 more! Switch only finished like 2 days ago and I already need Mafia back in my life! Join in people! :)
I'll hammer.
Great, I'll send out PMs tomorrow
What's the plan ash? This setup has been played before here yes? I can't remember which game that was though...
silverspawn gets a D1 pass because I feel like being the protective older brother typeWhat do you mean?
Welcome everyone!Welcome yourself! Any plans to get lynched day one?
Welcome everyone!Welcome yourself! Any plans to get lynched day one?
Flavor Names:
Ginny Weasley - silverspawn
Sirius Black - Awaclus
THREAD UNLOCKED
Flavor Names:
Sirius Black - Awaclus
Also uhhhh.
vote: WW
You have been chosen to be scum in my mind. Congrats.
I mean, it would be a pretty bad setup if we could solve it. I mean, even going into D3/D4 we will most likely know that the setup is only one of two or so options
Also uhhhh.
vote: WW
You have been chosen to be scum in my mind. Congrats.
Wrong as usual
You'd kill Harry Potter???Also uhhhh.
vote: WW
You have been chosen to be scum in my mind. Congrats.
Wrong as usual
Hmm ok let's try vote: RR
You'd kill Harry Potter???Also uhhhh.
vote: WW
You have been chosen to be scum in my mind. Congrats.
Wrong as usual
Hmm ok let's try vote: RR
Oh no! I have one vote on me! Let's do the RR thing and curl up in a ball while begging for my life.
Oh, spooky.Oh no! I have one vote on me! Let's do the RR thing and curl up in a ball while begging for my life.
This is very self-aware. But RR is a very self-aware player. It will be interesting to finally see him as scum. It might even be this game!
Oh, spooky.Oh no! I have one vote on me! Let's do the RR thing and curl up in a ball while begging for my life.
This is very self-aware. But RR is a very self-aware player. It will be interesting to finally see him as scum. It might even be this game!
Two votes on me would be desperate times, wouldn't it?
Disclaimer: Doesn't 2.7 always think I'm scum?
vote: silverspawn
vote: silverspawn
Hmm a vote for silverspawn. How am I supposed to know the reason for it! This isn't awaclus!
Oh no! I have one vote on me! Let's do the RR thing and curl up in a ball while begging for my life.
silverspawn gets a D1 pass because I feel like being the protective older brother type
Ginny was alert but calm, with her wand raised and determination, not fear, on her face.
I think hider should claim.
I think hider should claim.I don't, Vote: ash.
vote: silverspawn
Iguana scum slip!
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
I think hider should claim.I don't, Vote: ash.
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
That is a good excuse.
Yet I do not like the jokiness exposed in the above post. It seems unlike you.
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
That is a good excuse.
Yet I do not like the jokiness exposed in the above post. It seems unlike you.
lolol reinventing my personality for every game would be HILARIOUS
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
That is a good excuse.
Yet I do not like the jokiness exposed in the above post. It seems unlike you.
lolol reinventing my personality for every game would be HILARIOUS
Vote: iguana
vote: silverspawn
NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU B!%$#!!!!
<b> Vote: Awaclus </b> lolol
Oh wait, I MEAN
Vote: Awaclus
Oh wait,
I'm already voting for him
??? :-[ :-X :P
vote: silverspawn
NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU B!%$#!!!!
<b> Vote: Awaclus </b> lolol
Oh wait, I MEAN
Vote: Awaclus
Oh wait,
I'm already voting for him
??? :-[ :-X :P
It's not my fault your daughter was scum in Futuramafia.
"There must be scum on my wagon"
"There must be scum on my wagon"
Which players on your wagon in particular do you think are likely to be scum?
I'd love to say they are all scum, but Its probably safer to guess that only two of them are 8)
I'd love to say they are all scum, but Its probably safer to guess that only two of them are 8)
Because you know you're the third one?
You'll be sad when I flip town, but at least you will know me better ::)
I'm good with a hammer.
I'm good with a hammer.
I'm good with a hammer.
Vanilla townie!
So, seriously, I turned out to be super busy today (starting in 2 hours) and tomorrow, so I thought I would play a little more casually this game and maybe would be able to get away with a few contributions by mobile.
Turns out you guys didn't like that!
Its hard to argue against that kind of bias, and saw no point in changing up what I had come into the game deciding to do.
On my tombstone, I want it to read:
Mrs. Weasley: killed here for not knowing how to bold properly
Good luck catching the scum!
Vanilla townie!
So, seriously, I turned out to be super busy today (starting in 2 hours) and tomorrow, so I thought I would play a little more casually this game and maybe would be able to get away with a few contributions by mobile.
Turns out you guys didn't like that!
Its hard to argue against that kind of bias, and saw no point in changing up what I had come into the game deciding to do.
On my tombstone, I want it to read:
Mrs. Weasley: killed here for not knowing how to bold properly
Good luck catching the scum!
And I have a viewing at 10AM
I'm good with a hammer.
I think Awaclus is a bit scummy for this.
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
That is a good excuse.
Yet I do not like the jokiness exposed in the above post. It seems unlike you.
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
That is a good excuse.
Yet I do not like the jokiness exposed in the above post. It seems unlike you.
No, a good excuse would be that we all have personal QTs for this game.
Double scumslip!
I'm confused.
I maintain that there was scum on my wagon, lol.
I maintain that there was scum on my wagon, lol.
A partner?
If not who is scummier?
Saying there is scum on your wagon without giving specifics is kinda useless.
I am a vanilla townie! I am telling you everything I know!
we are playing blitz?!?Certainly feels that way. I really don't understand why we pushed iguana so hard, but oh well. Correct lynches D1 are rare, I guess. Long twilight today, possible role nonsense do we think?
People who say "dude!" are about 1.5 times as likely to be scum in my experience...
People who say, "buddy" in a passive aggressive tone are 2 times as likely...
People who say "dude!" are about 1.5 times as likely to be scum in my experience...
People who say, "buddy" in a passive aggressive tone are 2 times as likely...
Dude, can you back that up?
I mean, buddy, you're just throwing around statements without backing them up. That's not a nice thing to do.
Ash seems the scummiest, because he is the one who looks like he knew the most what he was doing. A lot of other people didn't even realize it was a lynch until it happened (Yuma, WW).
That said, they could be faking that they didn't know what was up in order to look less scummy.
Asking me to analyze this is ridiculous, though. I seriously know nothing any more than any other town person knows right now. You all should be analyzing it!
The more I think about it, the scummiest people are the people who just sat back, said very little and let this happen quietly.
Scum doesn't like to be on mislynch wagons. They'd rather let town turn on each other and destroy themselves.
Asking me to analyze this is ridiculous, though. I seriously know nothing any more than any other town person knows right now. You all should be analyzing it!
Ash seems the scummiest, because he is the one who looks like he knew the most what he was doing. A lot of other people didn't even realize it was a lynch until it happened (Yuma, WW).
That said, they could be faking that they didn't know what was up in order to look less scummy.
Asking me to analyze this is ridiculous, though. I seriously know nothing any more than any other town person knows right now. You all should be analyzing it!
We have tomorrow to analyze it, with the added info of your flip, assuming we as individuals live through the night...
You have until efhw is online...
Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
Ash seems the scummiest, because he is the one who looks like he knew the most what he was doing. A lot of other people didn't even realize it was a lynch until it happened (Yuma, WW).
That said, they could be faking that they didn't know what was up in order to look less scummy.
Asking me to analyze this is ridiculous, though. I seriously know nothing any more than any other town person knows right now. You all should be analyzing it!
We have tomorrow to analyze it, with the added info of your flip, assuming we as individuals live through the night...
You have until efhw is online...
How do you know you have until tomorrow?
Next time I comment something, I will make sure to read to whole post first. Promise!
This whole thing is clearly just a weird misunderstanding.Ash seems the scummiest, because he is the one who looks like he knew the most what he was doing. A lot of other people didn't even realize it was a lynch until it happened (Yuma, WW).
That said, they could be faking that they didn't know what was up in order to look less scummy.
Asking me to analyze this is ridiculous, though. I seriously know nothing any more than any other town person knows right now. You all should be analyzing it!
We have tomorrow to analyze it, with the added info of your flip, assuming we as individuals live through the night...
You have until efhw is online...
How do you know you have until tomorrow?
Is that a threat?
This happened when I was in one Mafia game, and it happens when I'm in two. It's easy for me to say this now, but I wouldn't have hammered you until much later in the day.Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
Sounds like you are in too many mafia games. 8)
Guess what RR, now I have an even scummier town meta than you 8)
This happened when I was in one Mafia game, and it happens when I'm in two. It's easy for me to say this now, but I wouldn't have hammered you until much later in the day.Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
Sounds like you are in too many mafia games. 8)
Guess what RR, now I have an even scummier town meta than you 8)
Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
I only sleep for six hours as it is!Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
You should sleep less.
I only sleep for six hours as it is!Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
You should sleep less.
That was unexpected. As much as I hate D1 and all the craziness, a super blitz lynch is not something I expected.Trouble is the craziness will probably still happen, just on D2 instead.
That was unexpected. As much as I hate D1 and all the craziness, a super blitz lynch is not something I expected.Trouble is the craziness will probably still happen, just on D2 instead.
That was unexpected. As much as I hate D1 and all the craziness, a super blitz lynch is not something I expected.
It would have been so much cooler if he was scum.
It would have been so much cooler if he was scum.
So you already know he's not? Interesting.
It would have been so much cooler if he was scum.
So you already know he's not? Interesting.
He said VT. Why lie?
How long is twilight?
Ok, so the sheer surprise of this has changed me back from werewolf form (even though its twilight, that makes sense). Seriously, I had time for one random joke vote today, and there's already a lynch? Weird.I agree, just got back in and can't believe the hammer has already happened, and about 10 hours ago! Crazy!
I agree, scum has no actual benefit in telling the truth. Hope he is lying.It would have been so much cooler if he was scum.
So you already know he's not? Interesting.
He said VT. Why lie?
Lying can be beneficial for scum, especially since longtwilight is long. If he's town, then obviously he wouldn't lie.
Wait, I'm not voting for him yet?anti town, both of you.I'm good with a hammer.
Sounds good to me. Vote: iguana
I'm good with a hammer.
SS is scummy
Being scum is scummy.SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
Being scum is scummy.SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
Being scum is scummy.SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.
This happened when I was in one Mafia game, and it happens when I'm in two. It's easy for me to say this now, but I wouldn't have hammered you until much later in the day.Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.Sounds like you are in too many mafia games. 8)
Guess what RR, now I have an even scummier town meta than you 8)
Yes, I would make that assumption or just not lynch Iguana.
I only sleep for six hours as it is!Every time I go to sleep someone gets lynched! There have been no exceptions.You should sleep less.
How long is twilight?
SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
Indirectly disputing the above statement by instead diverting the attention to me (just like I am doing here, except I am doing it to make a point) is scummy.
silver, you have to agree that iguana was very lynchable there.
Maybe not. Though if iguana is scum, he might have survived without a quicklynch.silver, you have to agree that iguana was very lynchable there.
doesn't justify cutting the day this short.
I am not content with this lynch. Not because it was iguanaiguana, he seemed a tad scummy (I guess, but not really). I just hate short days. And if I was scum, as SS so bluntly puts it, why wouldn't I hop on iguana's wagon?
PPE: 3
I am not content with this lynch. Not because it was iguanaiguana, he seemed a tad scummy (I guess, but not really). I just hate short days. And if I was scum, as SS so bluntly puts it, why wouldn't I hop on iguana's wagon?
PPE: 3
I have a meta? Care to share? I thought my meta was just being super weird.I am not content with this lynch. Not because it was iguanaiguana, he seemed a tad scummy (I guess, but not really). I just hate short days. And if I was scum, as SS so bluntly puts it, why wouldn't I hop on iguana's wagon?
PPE: 3
Because it does not fit your meta one bit.
Oooh Iguana scum slip!
Vote: Iguana
Ash would be so proud
Scum slip! vote: iguana
vote: iguana
I think hider should claim.
vote: iguana seems like a good starting point.
vote: iguana
Iguana scum slip!
(a million people proceed to vote me)
It's because I'm playing forum survivor guys, calm down.
That is a good excuse.
Yet I do not like the jokiness exposed in the above post. It seems unlike you.
lolol reinventing my personality for every game would be HILARIOUS
Vote: iguana
I'm good with a hammer.
Wait, I'm not voting for him yet?I'm good with a hammer.
Sounds good to me. Vote: iguana
SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
Indirectly disputing the above statement by instead diverting the attention to me (just like I am doing here, except I am doing it to make a point) is scummy.
I don't know what indirectly means to you, but I thought I was ratehr blunt
What you said is scummy because
- I don't buy that you get a scum read on me based on my recent posts. at all.
- consequently, your statement is arbitrary and opportunistic, and it allows you chase my lynch tomorrow without causing suspicion
- like RR, you don't show any frustration upon the lynch. unlike RR, you also don't seem particularly happy, so in your case it's scummy no matter igu's flip.
I had completely forgotten that I was on the wagon too
... well, actually analyzing this is more useful tomorrow, when we see the flip.
SS is scummy
saying this is scummy
Indirectly disputing the above statement by instead diverting the attention to me (just like I am doing here, except I am doing it to make a point) is scummy.
I don't know what indirectly means to you, but I thought I was ratehr blunt
What you said is scummy because
- I don't buy that you get a scum read on me based on my recent posts. at all.
- consequently, your statement is arbitrary and opportunistic, and it allows you chase my lynch tomorrow without causing suspicion
- like RR, you don't show any frustration upon the lynch. unlike RR, you also don't seem particularly happy, so in your case it's scummy no matter igu's flip.
I mean rather than stating your post wasn't scummy and illustrating why, not that you needed to as I didnt explain why it was scummy either, you instead flipped the table and made me out to be scummy instead. That is what I meant by indirectly moving suspicion away from you. Maybe indirect isn't the best choice of words...
As for your points. I get to decide whether you are scummy or not, not you.
We will see whether I push for your lynch or not. Much depends on how the flip occurs.
I am not super frustrated with the lynch. Not ideal but indignation is easy for scum to fake or easy for scum to honestly show depending on how iguana flips... If the hammer been cast by anyone else I might have some choice words , but I have lost any hope of coomunicating in any manner with said hammerer, so what is the point?
Plus iguana was scummy and I probably wouldn't have voted elsewhere today.
Iguana is really hammered? Or was it a fake hammer?What does this mean? Is it a fake hammer if Iguana votes for himself? Or are we just pretending it's twilight and seeing who counts up votes?
First. Hi everyone!
This hurts. And I have no idea why we're voting.First. Hi everyone!
Well back to vote: RR
vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
Well. I really don't see how it's scummy, but whatever.vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
This is scummy.
Vote: Haddock
no NK though, that's nice. although it's probably not that useful to speculate why.Huh? What was e if not a NK?
no NK though, that's nice. although it's probably not that useful to speculate why.Huh? What was e if not a NK?
Accidental post...finishing here...You have a point, but I try not to vote this early in the day.
Anyone else think it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that SILVERSPAWN of all players on this forum would skip the flavor? He's the most flavor-caring guy in the game. He cares so much about stuff he doesn't like people posting in the thread after the game is over because he finds it rude. He finds the flavor of games to be incredibly important to the games themselves.
And he says he didn't read it?
That was a fake "huh no kill" towncred grab if I've ever seen one.
I can see why you would think thatI post in between classes, during lunch, during 'free class' and whenever I can. I am very very active in Mafia games. I'm at school all day. I'm at school right now. Forum Mafia > Education.
does it help if I tell you that I'm at university between lectures and was going to read it when I'm back home to, well, have a better experience? going online between lectures is more like the obligatory "I'm at a computer so obviously I'm going to check into the forum" but I don't like to get too much into games.
Accidental post...finishing here...
Anyone else think it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that SILVERSPAWN of all players on this forum would skip the flavor? He's the most flavor-caring guy in the game. He cares so much about stuff he doesn't like people posting in the thread after the game is over because he finds it rude. He finds the flavor of games to be incredibly important to the games themselves.
And he says he didn't read it?
That was a fake "huh no kill" towncred grab if I've ever seen one.
I can see why you would think thatI post in between classes, during lunch, during 'free class' and whenever I can. I am very very active in Mafia games. I'm at school all day. I'm at school right now. Forum Mafia > Education.
does it help if I tell you that I'm at university between lectures and was going to read it when I'm back home to, well, have a better experience? going online between lectures is more like the obligatory "I'm at a computer so obviously I'm going to check into the forum" but I don't like to get too much into games.
Accidental post...finishing here...
Anyone else think it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that SILVERSPAWN of all players on this forum would skip the flavor? He's the most flavor-caring guy in the game. He cares so much about stuff he doesn't like people posting in the thread after the game is over because he finds it rude. He finds the flavor of games to be incredibly important to the games themselves.
And he says he didn't read it?
That was a fake "huh no kill" towncred grab if I've ever seen one.
This hurts. And I have no idea why we're voting.First. Hi everyone!
Well back to vote: RR
vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
Another reason why RR is a good lynch is that it prevents him from having to choose between me and someone scummier than me at LyLo again.
vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
This is scummy.
Vote: Haddock
Well. I really don't see how it's scummy, but whatever.vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
This is scummy.
Vote: Haddock
Looking through D1, I actually quite like vote: Faust.
this is scummy.why?
This is scummierwhy?
Awaclus and yuma are looking the worst. Hammering town this early into the day is bad, and there isn't really any excuse for it.
this is scummy.why?This is scummierwhy?
Awaclus and yuma are looking the worst. Hammering town this early into the day is bad, and there isn't really any excuse for it.
I didn't hammer iguana. HTSNBN hammered iguana. I don't control him, no one controls him. So don't associate me with him.
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
Awaclus and yuma are looking the worst. Hammering town this early into the day is bad, and there isn't really any excuse for it.
I didn't hammer iguana. HTSNBN hammered iguana. I don't control him, no one controls him. So don't associate me with him.
I know. Didn't mean to say that you hammered. I think your vote is scummy because you voted for him under the quoted post where he said that changing his meta every game would be hilarious, which I dislike as a reason, because weird =/= scummy.
But your vote was only about half as scummy as Awaclus' hammer in my book.
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
okay, these actually sound like solid reasons.
vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
This is scummy.
Vote: Haddock
this is scummy.
this is scummy.why?This is scummierwhy?
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
vote: Ash OMGUS. Happy?
In all seriousness, as I see it we're still essentially in RVS here, we got nothing yesterday. I intend to vote for people on the wagon, it seems unlikely that a mislynch happened that quickly without at least some scum being involved. Other than that there's very little info going around. I will have a look tonight to see if I can actually get anything out of a reread, but I doubt it somehow.
Meh. unvote
This is scummy.
Vote: Haddock
this is scummy.
This is wrongy.
this is scummy.why?This is scummierwhy?
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
I don't agree with the first. Scum isn't overt about telling us to ignore things they want to ignore. That's like, counterproductive.
this is scummy.why?This is scummierwhy?
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
I don't agree with the first. Scum isn't overt about telling us to ignore things they want to ignore. That's like, counterproductive.
But he isn't being overt. He is being subtle. And the "he" here is haddock.
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.I hadn't read D1 when I made that RVS vote. Remember how fast it went. I assumed there would be nothing coming out of D1 because it was so quick, and made an RVS vote. Not completely random, mind, I still think we want to lynch on-wagon.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.I hadn't read D1 when I made that RVS vote. Remember how fast it went. I assumed there would be nothing coming out of D1 because it was so quick, and made an RVS vote. Not completely random, mind, I still think we want to lynch on-wagon.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
Then people started calling me scummy, so I had a quick read of D1 to try to allay this. Sue me for not wanting to be mislynched on D2.
And it turned out you guys were right, there was some information to be gleaned from D1.
Calling my faust vote not-useful is kinda ridiculous.
PPE: several. The "subtle" comment is pretty funny. I was making a wrong assumption, is all. Not trying to misdirect anyone, like I'm capable of that anyway.
I hadn't read D1 when I made that RVS vote. Remember how fast it went. I assumed there would be nothing coming out of D1 because it was so quick, and made an RVS vote. Not completely random, mind, I still think we want to lynch on-wagon.
Then people started calling me scummy, so I had a quick read of D1 to try to allay this. Sue me for not wanting to be mislynched on D2.
And it turned out you guys were right, there was some information to be gleaned from D1.
Calling my faust vote not-useful is kinda ridiculous.
PPE: several. The "subtle" comment is pretty funny. I was making a wrong assumption, is all. Not trying to misdirect anyone, like I'm capable of that anyway.
1. because he wants to take us back to RVS. If he is scum then there is something that happened day1 that he wants us to ignore. That he wants us to not pay attention to it makes me think that is more likely.
2. Once he was called out on it, he went back to that area that was supposed to be useless and pulled something "useful" out of it. But isn't really that useful at all.
okay, these actually sound like solid reasons.
You make it sound like I typically don't have solid reasons...
Dude, I find it hard to believe you hadn't read D1 up to that point. You even posted in D1. You could not have been oblivious to things happening.There's reading and there's READING. I had read enough to understand what was going on, but not really paid attention to the detail that much.
vote: haddock for bring scum backed into a corner.
It wasn't useful because I don't know what you saw from faust that made you want to vote for him.I will explain my reasons if you want them, when I have more time.
Calling my faust vote not-useful is kinda ridiculous.
Because people vote without giving reasons all the time.Calling my faust vote not-useful is kinda ridiculous.
why is that ridiculous?
I will explain my reasons if you want them, when I have more time.
I really don't see my comment about RVS as subtle at all, which is why I find it funny that you think it's manipulati
If you want to explain reasons, go ahead. I am not voting for you, so am not demanding anything from you. But until you do they are pretty "useless"
And again, I am not saying that you said we were in RVS is subtle. I mean, obviously you said it. I am saying that to me it felt like you wanted to focus more on today and get today started with voting and getting today going, rather than going back and rereading. Obviously you didnt' actually say that, but it was suggested and implied and to me that felt subtle.
And then that you did the complete opposite of that once you were called out felt to me that you back tracked from that idea. So maybe you weren't subtle enough? I don't know. Maybe you aren't even scum. But I see it as potentially scummy behavior and calling it out and having discussion about it is what this game is all about, at least I think so. Others disagree.
Awaclus and yuma are looking the worst. Hammering town this early into the day is bad, and there isn't really any excuse for it.
Awaclus and yuma are looking the worst. Hammering town this early into the day is bad, and there isn't really any excuse for it.
Would it have been scummy if iguana turned out to be scum?
I will explain my reasons if you want them, when I have more time.
I really don't see my comment about RVS as subtle at all, which is why I find it funny that you think it's manipulati
Because people vote without giving reasons all the time.Calling my faust vote not-useful is kinda ridiculous.
why is that ridiculous?
I have a correct read and I am going to get lynched for it? This is fantabulous.
PPE 2
I have a correct read and I am going to get lynched for it? This is fantabulous.
PPE 2
perhaps the best new!scum tell in the game is overreacting to pressure. you currently have... what, 2 votes?
I have a correct read and I am going to get lynched for it? This is fantabulous.
PPE 2
perhaps the best new!scum tell in the game is overreacting to pressure. you currently have... what, 2 votes?
RR always overreacts to pressure.
Which doesn't mean that I thik he's town. He could very well be scum. But this is a bad argument.
Awaclus and yuma are looking the worst. Hammering town this early into the day is bad, and there isn't really any excuse for it.
Would it have been scummy if iguana turned out to be scum?
no
No, but using its unhelpfulness as reason to find me scummy is kinda ridiculous.Because people vote without giving reasons all the time.Calling my faust vote not-useful is kinda ridiculous.
why is that ridiculous?
and that makes it helpful?
Overreacting to pressure is basically all RR does.I would upvote this if I could. Made me giggle. :)
Overreacting to pressure is basically all RR does.I do a lot more! I lose games in Lynch or Lose situations!
No, but using its unhelpfulness as reason to find me scummy is kinda ridiculous.
Then it isn't scummy now, either. I didn't know he was going to flip town.
But Awaclus, Faust and probably others are okay with my death, and more people would wagon on (like scum)!I have a correct read and I am going to get lynched for it? This is fantabulous.
PPE 2
perhaps the best new!scum tell in the game is overreacting to pressure. you currently have... what, 2 votes?
No, but using its unhelpfulness as reason to find me scummy is kinda ridiculous.
I disagree... I think that was actually a really good reason
you are removing context. what yuma was accusing you off wasn't just that vote, it was that WW called you out for doing RVS, and then you went back to do something supposedly useful that wasn't really useful.
Then it isn't scummy now, either. I didn't know he was going to flip town.
Well, if we already start assuming that you didn't know he was going to flip town, then the exercise is pretty useless, no?
Then it isn't scummy now, either. I didn't know he was going to flip town.
who care about context!
Hum. OK that's probably true. I'm still town though. :)No, but using its unhelpfulness as reason to find me scummy is kinda ridiculous.
I disagree... I think that was actually a really good reason
you are removing context. what yuma was accusing you off wasn't just that vote, it was that WW called you out for doing RVS, and then you went back to do something supposedly useful that wasn't really useful.
But does context care about you?
No, but using its unhelpfulness as reason to find me scummy is kinda ridiculous.
I disagree... I think that was actually a really good reason
you are removing context. what yuma was accusing you off wasn't just that vote, it was that WW called you out for doing RVS, and then you went back to do something supposedly useful that wasn't really useful.
First. Hi everyone!
Well back to vote: RR
Welp. vote: Awaclus
No particular reason.
Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
WW is still so hard for me to read.
also gkrieg is scummy too
also gkrieg is scummy too
Really? I thought his post was rather townish.
You got SS to wagon me. Why don't you call off your attack pony if you don't want me to get killed?Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
It has no backing. He hasn't done anything scummy yet. And who ever said I wanted to lynch him?
We can also lynch Faust.Ha ha, please.
You got SS to wagon me. Why don't you call off your attack pony if you don't want me to get killed?Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
It has no backing. He hasn't done anything scummy yet. And who ever said I wanted to lynch him?
PPE
Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
It has no backing. He hasn't done anything scummy yet. And who ever said I wanted to lynch him?
also gkrieg is scummy too
Really? I thought his post was rather townish.
His post was townish, but he is scummy
Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
It has no backing. He hasn't done anything scummy yet. And who ever said I wanted to lynch him?
Well voting for someone should mean at least a little teensy tiny smidge that you want to lynch someone
Haddock's vote and reaction are scummy. Forcing back us into RVS is scummy. Even though D1 was short, it gave us a lot of information. Just looking at the wagon gives information. Mafia loves fast mislynches, so there is bound to be at least one scum on the wagon.I'm not forcing anyone into RVS. My first vote was based on my mistaken idea that RVS was all we had.
vote: Haddock
PPE: lots of them
His post was townish, but he is scummy
Please elaborate
His post was townish, but he is scummy
Please elaborate
looked like a post that was trying to look townie
Trying to put me under fire? Do you want me dead because I know something? Or is it just personal?You got SS to wagon me. Why don't you call off your attack pony if you don't want me to get killed?Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
It has no backing. He hasn't done anything scummy yet. And who ever said I wanted to lynch him?
PPE
I never said I don't, don't want to lynch you either. And I am pretty sure SS made his decision independent of me, but I am glad he did vote for you. Others should as well.
His post was townish, but he is scummy
Please elaborate
looked like a post that was trying to look townie
Looks like something that someone that is trying to look townie would say.
I didn't call him out for doing RVS. I voted him for his reaction to getting called out for RVS.
I never said I don't, don't want to lynch you either. And I am pretty sure SS made his decision independent of me, but I am glad he did vote for you. Others should as well.Trying to put me under fire? Do you want me dead because I know something? Or is it just personal?
And yes. Fire is dangerous, but it also helps you see. For the night is dark and full of terrors.
I don't feel that great about Haddock anymore.
Vote: WW
You got SS to wagon me. Why don't you call off your attack pony if you don't want me to get killed?Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
It has no backing. He hasn't done anything scummy yet. And who ever said I wanted to lynch him?
PPE
Trying to put me under fire? Do you want me dead because I know something? Or is it just personal?
Yay SS is on my side...but his vote says otherwise.
And I am trying extra hard not to make things personal.
What about defending me? And liking me Day One?Yay SS is on my side...but his vote says otherwise.
I... what? I am not on your side. I think you're scum.
And what's my meta?
Is that a paradox?And what's my meta?
Your meta is caring too much about your meta. Case closed. The end.
Haddock's vote and reaction are scummy. Forcing back us into RVS is scummy. Even though D1 was short, it gave us a lot of information. Just looking at the wagon gives information. Mafia loves fast mislynches, so there is bound to be at least one scum on the wagon.I'm not forcing anyone into RVS. My first vote was based on my mistaken idea that RVS was all we had.
vote: Haddock
PPE: lots of them
Look, I publicly retract my original random vote, OK. It was a mistake. I agree, there's enough info from D1 and from this discussion.
That's L-2 on me, I think.
I can believe this as I was kinda in the same spot. I was about to do a RVS vote also at the beginning of the day.
I still feel like this is town RR. it feels like his playing the same as his other town games to me and for some reason I feel like I'm going to notice his first scum game? (watch as hes scum this game and I'm so far off)
I can believe this as I was kinda in the same spot. I was about to do a RVS vote also at the beginning of the day.
But if you had been called out for it would you have backpeddled and fallen over yourself in trying to go back and find something "useful" from day1 that you don't share with the rest of the class?
Then it isn't scummy now, either. I didn't know he was going to flip town.
Well, if we already start assuming that you didn't know he was going to flip town, then the exercise is pretty useless, no?
that makes no sense. ´´
When people starting voting me for not looking properly at D1, I had a look at D1. I was going to anyway, but I did it earlier than planned in order to (yes I'll say it) get people to see me as not scummy. Town players try to look towny as well, you know, that's not unique to scum.I can believe this as I was kinda in the same spot. I was about to do a RVS vote also at the beginning of the day.
But if you had been called out for it would you have backpeddled and fallen over yourself in trying to go back..
that makes no sense. ´´
that makes no sense. ´´
Accidental post...finishing here...I kind of agree, ss is one of the players who most likes flavour, so seems surprising that he "didn't read it".
Anyone else think it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that SILVERSPAWN of all players on this forum would skip the flavor? He's the most flavor-caring guy in the game. He cares so much about stuff he doesn't like people posting in the thread after the game is over because he finds it rude. He finds the flavor of games to be incredibly important to the games themselves.
And he says he didn't read it?
That was a fake "huh no kill" towncred grab if I've ever seen one.
I disagree, Education/Work > Forum Mafia (just about).I can see why you would think thatI post in between classes, during lunch, during 'free class' and whenever I can. I am very very active in Mafia games. I'm at school all day. I'm at school right now. Forum Mafia > Education.
does it help if I tell you that I'm at university between lectures and was going to read it when I'm back home to, well, have a better experience? going online between lectures is more like the obligatory "I'm at a computer so obviously I'm going to check into the forum" but I don't like to get too much into games.
Well some point we need to stop with RVS, especially when a probably-not-so-random quicklynch occurred.Dude, I find it hard to believe you hadn't read D1 up to that point. You even posted in D1. You could not have been oblivious to things happening.There's reading and there's READING. I had read enough to understand what was going on, but not really paid attention to the detail that much.
vote: haddock for bring scum backed into a corner.It wasn't useful because I don't know what you saw from faust that made you want to vote for him.I will explain my reasons if you want them, when I have more time.
I really don't see my comment about RVS as subtle at all, which is why I find it funny that you think it's manipulation.
I mean, yeah. Obviously. We're definitely well outside of RVS now, for instance. What on earth is your point? Have you actually read the discussion between me and faust/WW/yuma/etc.?Well some point we need to stop with RVS, especially when a probably-not-so-random quicklynch occurred.Dude, I find it hard to believe you hadn't read D1 up to that point. You even posted in D1. You could not have been oblivious to things happening.There's reading and there's READING. I had read enough to understand what was going on, but not really paid attention to the detail that much.
vote: haddock for bring scum backed into a corner.It wasn't useful because I don't know what you saw from faust that made you want to vote for him.I will explain my reasons if you want them, when I have more time.
I really don't see my comment about RVS as subtle at all, which is why I find it funny that you think it's manipulation.
I was reading through and commenting at the same time, so yes now I have read that discussion.I mean, yeah. Obviously. We're definitely well outside of RVS now, for instance. What on earth is your point? Have you actually read the discussion between me and faust/WW/yuma/etc.?Well some point we need to stop with RVS, especially when a probably-not-so-random quicklynch occurred.Dude, I find it hard to believe you hadn't read D1 up to that point. You even posted in D1. You could not have been oblivious to things happening.There's reading and there's READING. I had read enough to understand what was going on, but not really paid attention to the detail that much.
vote: haddock for bring scum backed into a corner.It wasn't useful because I don't know what you saw from faust that made you want to vote for him.I will explain my reasons if you want them, when I have more time.
I really don't see my comment about RVS as subtle at all, which is why I find it funny that you think it's manipulation.
yuma killing everyone just sounds like M69 to me :(And yes. Fire is dangerous, but it also helps you see. For the night is dark and full of terrors.
Soon yuma will start burning innocent townies in order to get his god to save the town. Then we all die.
that makes no sense. ´´
It makes more sense than arbitrarily reaching the conclusion that I'm scummy by using the premise that I'm scum.
you're scummy because you hammered a town. that was the argument. You tried to deflect that by arguing something under the assumption that you're town. An assumption of either alignment makes any further arguments nonsensical, because arguing means saying why you think it's likely or unlikely that someone is scum, which you can't do if you're already assuming that he is or isn't.
Hammering town so early in the day seems a bit scummy to me.you're scummy because you hammered a town. that was the argument. You tried to deflect that by arguing something under the assumption that you're town. An assumption of either alignment makes any further arguments nonsensical, because arguing means saying why you think it's likely or unlikely that someone is scum, which you can't do if you're already assuming that he is or isn't.
Hammering town isn't scummy.
(Obligatory response.)
Hammering town so early in the day seems a bit scummy to me.
obviously, since scum prefers hammering town to hammering scum, hammering town makes a random player more likely to be scum than he was before. it's basic maths.
So, you are verifying once and for all what an incredible waste of time it is for anyone to try to argue about this with you.
vote: Awaclus
his style of argumentation is the same as both alignments, but I think town!Awaclus is less likely to say completely ridiculous and nonsensical stuff as he does now.
obviously, since scum prefers hammering town to hammering scum, hammering town makes a random player more likely to be scum than he was before. it's basic maths.
No, that's not how it works. If I'm scum, I hammered iguana because I wanted to lynch a townie and end the day early. If I'm town, I hammered iguana because I thought iguana was scum and I wanted to lynch someone who was likely to be scum. The fact that iguana turned out to be town does not imply that it's now less likely that I thought that he was scum.
imagine a simplified model wherein each town player is 50% likely to jump on any lynch, and each scum player is 100% likely to jump on a town lynch, and 0% likely to jump on a scum lynch
imagine a simplified model wherein each town player is 50% likely to jump on any lynch, and each scum player is 100% likely to jump on a town lynch, and 0% likely to jump on a scum lynch
Well, if we imagine a simplified model wherein each town!silverspawn is 0% likely to be on a town lynch, you're confirmed scum too. Coming up with imaginary models and pulling numbers out of thin air is not a good argument when, in actuality, I was 100% likely to jump on the iguana lynch regardless of my alignment.
explaining a principle by using a model that is simplified in a way that doesn't affect the principle is more or less the most basic strategy of explaining something. This is what I did. If you understand why hammering town makes someone more likely to be scum in that model, you also understand why it makes him more likely in any game, because the reason is the same. You previously argued for why this is false, now you're backpedaling and try to argue why it is false in this particular game without acknowledging what you're doing. this is typical scum play
and that's the last post of you that I'll write an answer for (for now) because further argumentation hurts town as we've seen in fanfiction mafia.
How about don't vote RR?
imagine a simplified model wherein each town player is 50% likely to jump on any lynch, and each scum player is 100% likely to jump on a town lynch, and 0% likely to jump on a scum lynch
Well, if we imagine a simplified model wherein each town!silverspawn is 0% likely to be on a town lynch, you're confirmed scum too. Coming up with imaginary models and pulling numbers out of thin air is not a good argument when, in actuality, I was 100% likely to jump on the iguana lynch regardless of my alignment.
I think the "let me create an arbitrary made up model biased to prove my point so it looks like science and not opinion" tactic is scummy.
I think the "let me create an arbitrary made up model biased to prove my point so it looks like science and not opinion" tactic is scummy.
Silverspawn created an arbitrary made up model and presented it as science and not an opinion, so I created an arbitrary made up model to prove that arbitrary made up models don't mean anything. I wasn't trying to actually use the model to prove that silver was scum.
Someone wake me when it's over.You're just going to sleep?
Someone wake me when it's over.
Someone wake me when it's over.
it is over when you decide to talk about other things.
like,, what do you think about RR?
It's never too early to recklessly ynch RR.
I think the "let me create an arbitrary made up model biased to prove my point so it looks like science and not opinion" tactic is scummy.
Silverspawn created an arbitrary made up model and presented it as science and not an opinion, so I created an arbitrary made up model to prove that arbitrary made up models don't mean anything. I wasn't trying to actually use the model to prove that silver was scum.
You are saying what I am saying. Why are you repeating me?
I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
It's never too early to recklessly ynch RR.
now you're being anti town. what do you really think about RR? Or does what you're saying mean you think he's towny?
Because I got a PM saying so.I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
You don't have to know why people think you're scum. Why are you town?
Because I got a PM saying so.I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
You don't have to know why people think you're scum. Why are you town?
My PM said I'm a member of the order of the pheonix, not that I'm town.Because I got a PM saying so.I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
You don't have to know why people think you're scum. Why are you town?
Also,
Vote: Faust
My PM said I'm a member of the order of the pheonix, not that I'm town.Because I got a PM saying so.I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
You don't have to know why people think you're scum. Why are you town?
Vote: AwaclusYay Faust is out for someone besides me!
Vote: AwaclusYay Faust is out for someone besides me!
Awaclus, what do you want me to do to prove my towniness? Or as SS puts it, My Order of Phoenixness? A read list? A claim?
Vote: Awaclus
It's because he's scum.Vote: Awaclus
is that policy or alignment-cy?
Awaclus, what do you want me to do to prove my towniness? Or as SS puts it, My Order of Phoenixness? A read list? A claim?
It's because he's scum.Vote: Awaclus
is that policy or alignment-cy?
Surely if you'd lynch iguana regardless of your alignment, then it's a bad thing to do? Since it's a good scum option.imagine a simplified model wherein each town player is 50% likely to jump on any lynch, and each scum player is 100% likely to jump on a town lynch, and 0% likely to jump on a scum lynch
Well, if we imagine a simplified model wherein each town!silverspawn is 0% likely to be on a town lynch, you're confirmed scum too. Coming up with imaginary models and pulling numbers out of thin air is not a good argument when, in actuality, I was 100% likely to jump on the iguana lynch regardless of my alignment.
Imagine a model where this conversation doesn't suck.+1
RR, whatever you alignment, you need to get over this.What? This is just me being competitive. I will not let any of this get in my head. Don't lynch me for that.
This is a game. If you let the pressure of maybe being lynched, of a vote or two, whatever, get to your head and freak out, it'll eventually destroy you and me you an asshole, like me.
Just be cool with it. Don't freak about every vote or scumread or whatever. I honestly feel like lynching you is the best thing we can do for you here. Maybe one you get lynched once, you'll realize it's just make believe and you won't actually die.
I didn't lynch a town, and I feel like I have acted normal.Awaclus, what do you want me to do to prove my towniness? Or as SS puts it, My Order of Phoenixness? A read list? A claim?
No, you should point out some of the things that you have already done that should lead us to believe that you are more likely to be town.
This sounds like the sort of response I'd give, after having been lynched every previous game...Because I got a PM saying so.I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
You don't have to know why people think you're scum. Why are you town?
This sounds like the sort of response I'd give, after having been lynched every previous game...Because I got a PM saying so.I'm not scum and I don't know why people think I'm scum!!
You don't have to know why people think you're scum. Why are you town?
Curious, is RR often scum or not?
PPE:2
It's because he's scum.Vote: Awaclus
is that policy or alignment-cy?
that made me laugh, but it doesn't really answer the question.
Surely if you'd lynch iguana regardless of your alignment, then it's a bad thing to do? Since it's a good scum option.
I didn't lynch a town, and I feel like I have acted normal.
I policy-lynch all people who are bad at math. Also, I think Awaclus looks bad from that discussion. Holding on to an opinion even when it's proven to be wrong seems like something that scum!Awaclus would do to appear like himself.
RR, whatever you alignment, you need to get over this.What? This is just me being competitive. I will not let any of this get in my head. Don't lynch me for that.
This is a game. If you let the pressure of maybe being lynched, of a vote or two, whatever, get to your head and freak out, it'll eventually destroy you and me you an asshole, like me.
Just be cool with it. Don't freak about every vote or scumread or whatever. I honestly feel like lynching you is the best thing we can do for you here. Maybe one you get lynched once, you'll realize it's just make believe and you won't actually die.
PPE 3
I policy-lynch all people who are bad at math. Also, I think Awaclus looks bad from that discussion. Holding on to an opinion even when it's proven to be wrong seems like something that scum!Awaclus would do to appear like himself.
I'm not bad at math. The only way math enters this discussion is if you come up with arbitrary numbers, which is what silverspawn did, but then you need to show that those arbitrary numbers actually apply in this particular situation, which silverspawn basically admitted that he couldn't do.
I feel like I have nothing to add anymore.
Unless someone wants something from me, I will go offline for an hour or two.
And Faust, I am downright awful at anything but simple maths.
See? You think number are necessary in order to do math. That alone proves that you are bad at math.
As much as I love watching Faust and Awaclus fight over something irrelevant...
To this game of Mafia?As much as I love watching Faust and Awaclus fight over something irrelevant...
Whether I'm bad at math or not is pretty relevant.
To this game of Mafia?As much as I love watching Faust and Awaclus fight over something irrelevant...
Whether I'm bad at math or not is pretty relevant.
I agree, from experience it tends to get you nowhere, and just frustrate other people towards lynching you.RR, whatever you alignment, you need to get over this.What? This is just me being competitive. I will not let any of this get in my head. Don't lynch me for that.
This is a game. If you let the pressure of maybe being lynched, of a vote or two, whatever, get to your head and freak out, it'll eventually destroy you and me you an asshole, like me.
Just be cool with it. Don't freak about every vote or scumread or whatever. I honestly feel like lynching you is the best thing we can do for you here. Maybe one you get lynched once, you'll realize it's just make believe and you won't actually die.
PPE 3
Stop saying "don't lynch me" and any variations of that phrase. That's my point.
Awaclus is still in his early twenties.
I don't see the RR thing. He doesn't vote; there have been other games where he didn't vote also.
I don't see the RR thing. He doesn't vote; there have been other games where he didn't vote also. He was town in these games. It's true that he feels less obv!town than in previous games, but that might be because he has some experience and I have some experience with him and I am cautious because I don't know what scum!RR looks like.
I don't think anything he has done really indicates that he's scum.
Faust, did you make that or find it?
Again, I have nothing else to say. I am not good enough at Mafia to sway you or Yuma. I'm not saying I've accepted my fate, but I don't see what I can do about it. I guess we can afford this lynch without being in too terrible of a position, so I don't feel so strong about this. If you guys need to see me flip to believe me, all I can do is flip.I don't see the RR thing. He doesn't vote; there have been other games where he didn't vote also. He was town in these games. It's true that he feels less obv!town than in previous games, but that might be because he has some experience and I have some experience with him and I am cautious because I don't know what scum!RR looks like.
I don't think anything he has done really indicates that he's scum.
The things that I think indicate RR being scum are
- his treatment of the day 1 wagon. he wasn't on it, and wasn't upset about it
- no town vibes. you said that yourself. considering the massive town vibes from previous games, that's a pretty big one
- what yuma just said. no votes.
But I hope you remember who voted for me.
Don't bother unvoting. I've lost the trust of the town. All I can do now to help is flip. So let's be selfless for once. Vote: RRBut I hope you remember who voted for me.
I almost want to unvote you because of it.
But Awaclus might always bus.
How much does scum!Awaclus like to bus?
And as a 13 year old, saying 'I told you so' to a bunch of well-educated adults is the dream.that's flattering. I mean, it really is.
I'm just hoping for a looooong twilight. I can't see myself living until the end of this day, but I want a lot of time for it to sink in: The Boy who Lived has fallen.And as a 13 year old, saying 'I told you so' to a bunch of well-educated adults is the dream.that's flattering. I mean, it really is.
howeverI am playing to win. When I flip, hopefully it will be obvious who the scum is (like, maybe the people who started the wagon and KEPT SAYING 'vote RR').
- you should always play towards your wincon. The only exception is if you are a survivor and made a promise towards town; then you should play towards your promise.
- generally, the person with the greatest responsibility for being mislynched is the person being mislynched. not always, but generally.
I just unvoted you.I applaude that, but I expect no one to follow suit.
There is a lot of day left, Roadrunner. No reason to give up.Faust, you're it. I know you know this, but later in the day when you reveal your true colors and vote for me, all your sheep will follow you. You're my lifeline, and you're just waiting for the right moment. I'm done, man.
But I hope you remember who voted for me.
I almost want to unvote you because of it.
But Awaclus might always bus.
How much does scum!Awaclus like to bus?
The only exception is if you are a survivor and made a promise towards town; then you should play towards your promise.
That's harsh, man. Just because you had a bad experience with someone posing as me the last time around doesn't mean it's not me now. I am not seeing myself vote for you today.There is a lot of day left, Roadrunner. No reason to give up.Faust, you're it. I know you know this, but later in the day when you reveal your true colors and vote for me, all your sheep will follow you. You're my lifeline, and you're just waiting for the right moment. I'm done, man.
Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
Someone posing as you? And Mafia is a harsh game. You have the power Faust, and if this wagon doesn't get broken up soon, I can't see town Faust not jumping on it. I hope you won't go for it though.That's harsh, man. Just because you had a bad experience with someone posing as me the last time around doesn't mean it's not me now. I am not seeing myself vote for you today.There is a lot of day left, Roadrunner. No reason to give up.Faust, you're it. I know you know this, but later in the day when you reveal your true colors and vote for me, all your sheep will follow you. You're my lifeline, and you're just waiting for the right moment. I'm done, man.
And ironically, you're both wrong. Or scum. Actually that's an interesting thought. I wonder how an Awaclus/yuma scumteam would work. Would definitely love to see the QT.Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
I think we agreed on something for the first time ever...
You wouldn't unvote me even if I unvoted myself. You have your heart set on scum RR.Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
I think we agreed on something for the first time ever...
Someone posing as you?
Maybe I should get into the flavor. I doubt I'll get NKed since scum probably thinks my time to get lynched is near, but this is Harry Potter Mafia.Someone posing as you?
I made a flavor reference. You know, with me being Mad Eye Moody and you Harry.
Faust, did you make that or find it?
This link is relevant:
https://xkcd.com/1053/
And ironically, you're both wrong. Or scum. Actually that's an interesting thought. I wonder how an Awaclus/yuma scumteam would work. Would definitely love to see the QT.Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
I think we agreed on something for the first time ever...
And ironically, you're both wrong. Or scum. Actually that's an interesting thought. I wonder how an Awaclus/yuma scumteam would work. Would definitely love to see the QT.Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
I think we agreed on something for the first time ever...
How can you know we are wrong?
And I would try and use the nk on him probably...
Faust, did you make that or find it?
This link is relevant:
https://xkcd.com/1053/
It is also the source of my avatar...
SS why did you unvote?
I don't see the RR thing. He doesn't vote; there have been other games where he didn't vote also.
link or it didn't happen
And ironically, you're both wrong. Or scum. Actually that's an interesting thought. I wonder how an Awaclus/yuma scumteam would work. Would definitely love to see the QT.Also, I'm certainly not going to unvote as long as RR is still voting for himself.
I think we agreed on something for the first time ever...
How can you know we are wrong?
And I would try and use the nk on him probably...
I am the scumhunting god of f.ds and so I know.
I don't see the RR thing. He doesn't vote; there have been other games where he didn't vote also.
link or it didn't happen
Did this get a response. Faust is making a defense but not providing evidence to back it up. I'll provide evidence of my case showing RR Omgus in all finished games up to this point when I am back on a computer. Phone posting sucks.
Dayvig: faust
I don't see the RR thing. He doesn't vote; there have been other games where he didn't vote also.
link or it didn't happen
Did this get a response. Faust is making a defense but not providing evidence to back it up. I'll provide evidence of my case showing RR Omgus in all finished games up to this point when I am back on a computer. Phone posting sucks.
Nah... you're right, he does a lot of OMGUS. I specifically remember getting in a fight with him because he refused to vote though, but I can't remember in which game that was.
Ash seems the scummiest, because he is the one who looks like he knew the most what he was doing. A lot of other people didn't even realize it was a lynch until it happened (Yuma, WW).
That said, they could be faking that they didn't know what was up in order to look less scummy.
Asking me to analyze this is ridiculous, though. I seriously know nothing any more than any other town person knows right now. You all should be analyzing it!
We have tomorrow to analyze it, with the added info of your flip, assuming we as individuals live through the night...
You have until efhw is online...
How do you know you have until tomorrow?
It would have been so much cooler if he was scum.
So you already know he's not? Interesting.
That was in blitz Mafia I think. And Awaclus and Yuma seem a teensy bit scummy, but not enough for me to defend that claim.
PPE 2
yuma, how confident are you in the RR lynch? 40%? 50%? 60%?
The fact that you think everyone has a 33% chance sends up a red flag.yuma, how confident are you in the RR lynch? 40%? 50%? 60%?
Let's see, 11 alive, take me away 3.33 scum. That is a guesstimate given possibilities for 2 or 3 mafia and a SK. So that is 33%. I would add an extra 10%. So 43%?
Dayvig: faust
Of course if you actually were a Dayvig, you would use your power on Awaclus!
The fact that you think everyone has a 33% chance sends up a red flag.yuma, how confident are you in the RR lynch? 40%? 50%? 60%?
Let's see, 11 alive, take me away 3.33 scum. That is a guesstimate given possibilities for 2 or 3 mafia and a SK. So that is 33%. I would add an extra 10%. So 43%?
No, I think you did it right. But some people are townier, and math with numbers can't figure that out.
And was the DayVig thing a joke? Or did you just kill Faust?
You killed Faust? So does that make you an IC?
Not that I read the setup, but I don't think there is.You killed Faust? So does that make you an IC?
Does it look like there's a dayvig in the setup?
Not that I read the setup, but I don't think there is.
Not that I read the setup, but I don't think there is.
Okay, now I'm not going to unvote you until you've stopped unvoting yourself and read the setup.
only 10%? mh...
only 10%? mh...
Do you have an expected number or something? What is enough to be willing to lynch someone?
only 10%? mh...
Do you have an expected number or something? What is enough to be willing to lynch someone?
no, no, 10% is fine to lynch someone. it's just not enough to make me vote for RR right now. His self-voting screams town.
Someday I am actually going to go through with my project and compile all the lists of times people self vote and see their alignment. I want to say that they are more often scum (well within proportions of town to mafia ratio wise) but that might just be selective memory bias coming into play.
Regardless I certainly not unvoting until he moves his vote. Precedent and anti town and all that crap. Plus I just think it is scummy...
What exactly did Yuma say to sway you?
Someday I am actually going to go through with my project and compile all the lists of times people self vote and see their alignment. I want to say that they are more often scum (well within proportions of town to mafia ratio wise) but that might just be selective memory bias coming into play.
Regardless I certainly not unvoting until he moves his vote. Precedent and anti town and all that crap. Plus I just think it is scummy...
Yes, I know what he said, Captain. But why did that sway you?
And let's hear from gkreig sometime soon.
Hey, I don't have my computer, can you please do a vote count for me?
vote: roadrunner
only 10%? mh...
Do you have an expected number or something? What is enough to be willing to lynch someone?
no, no, 10% is fine to lynch someone. it's just not enough to make me vote for RR right now. His self-voting screams town.
Someday I am actually going to go through with my project and compile all the lists of times people self vote and see their alignment. I want to say that they are more often scum (well within proportions of town to mafia ratio wise) but that might just be selective memory bias coming into play.
I also don't even think self-voting is the msot evil thing ever and everyone who does it deserves to be policy lynched.
I'm in a game again! Weee!What? What are you basing that upon?
Unfortunately, like Haddock, I will have to go to bed.
Vote: Roadrunner
Vote: faust
Unvote: Faust
vote: Roadrunner7671
Vote: ashersky
Okay, I see how it is.Why are we voting already?
Vote: Roadrunner
Vote: Awalcus
I appreciate the essay dedicated to me. Do I find it scummy? Maybe a tad. I've already explained why I'm acting different. Ash and Joesph (and others, I'm sure) were tired of hearing 'Just don't lynch me, guys.' I decidee desperate times call for desperate measures, so I voted for myself. Did I expect it to get a reaction as big as this? Not really. Everyone knows I squirm under pressure. No one has told me what they want me to do. OMGUS someone? You're bad at Mafia. Don't OMGUS someone? You're scum. Don't vote for yourself? That's okay, we will! Vote for yourself? No, you're scum. This is mob mentality coming out in you guys. I've been told I'm scum so much I've almost started to believe it. If this is the way you guys need it to go, then I hope you can clean up the mess you will make.
No one has told me what they want me to do.
Okay, that's very easy.No one has told me what they want me to do.
I want you to vote for the player you think is most likely to be scum.
Okay, that's very easy.No one has told me what they want me to do.
I want you to vote for the player you think is most likely to be scum.
Vote: Yuma
Now let's see the fire I get put under.
So about RR. Let us assume for a moment that RR is scum, for the sake of the argument.
He seems to be playing decently well. I mean, the whole self-voting thing is already pretty good emotional manipulation. He also knows his meta and emulates it - this constant asking of "what's my meta?" is an indicator for this, as that's something he has done before.
So we have to agree that RR is a decent scum player and that he is aware of his meta. Then he should also know about his tendency to OMGUS. So that's the easiest part of the meta, why does he not emulate that?
This is why I think RR is town. Also because I believe newbie!scum!RR would not play that well.
What? This isn't even because you're going for me. It's because you refuse to consider a different possibility and you'll stay at my throat the entire game. Therefore, you aren't helping the town.
especially given the complete absence of any other compelling case at this junction.
If there actually is something better that someone else (probably other than faust, I don't trust him this game at all) comes up with, I'll consider it. But right now. I think what I have presented is the best we currently have and I will push for it until I stop believing that. But I am not going to just roll over and play dead cause faust is apparently dead set against it.
especially given the complete absence of any other compelling case at this junction.
If there actually is something better that someone else (probably other than faust, I don't trust him this game at all) comes up with, I'll consider it. But right now. I think what I have presented is the best we currently have and I will push for it until I stop believing that. But I am not going to just roll over and play dead cause faust is apparently dead set against it.
If you don't trust me at all, you should vote for me.
Well, I think yuma is scummy, but I always think that, so... I still prefer an Awaclus lynch.
Well, I think yuma is scummy, but I always think that, so... I still prefer an Awaclus lynch.
And why do you always think I am scummy? Do you think it has more to do with you than it does with me? Or vice versa?
Well... I am always down for a HTSNBN lynch, even if you are on it...
Well, I think yuma is scummy, but I always think that, so... I still prefer an Awaclus lynch.
And why do you always think I am scummy? Do you think it has more to do with you than it does with me? Or vice versa?
Well... I am always down for a HTSNBN lynch, even if you are on it...
I don't know why, it's just a bias I have. Maybe because we disagree so much? Maybe because you use "..." a lot, and that always invokes a picture of a villain sitting in his chair and petting a cat?
Really the problem was the leader-status we granted to yuma. He must have been saying "dance muppets dance!" while petting his white cat a lot these past few weeks.
I hate cats.
ehh... yuma isn't a good lynch.
ehh... yuma isn't a good lynch.
Why not? And why is RR a good lynch?
If you won't vote for RR because you believe faust is the best player here, vote for me. Because really, the only reason anyone isn't voting for RR is because you trust faust here.
And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.
What if we don't think Ashersky is scum?
PPE 2
If you won't vote for RR because you believe faust is the best player here, vote for me. Because really, the only reason anyone isn't voting for RR is because you trust faust here.
I'm not voting for RR for different reasons.
I'm talking about how you went after me until you died. You were scum. And I don't want to vote for you, I'd rather see how Yuma reacts to pressure. Maybe I will vote for you if he goes to L-1.And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.
yuma was my partner in switch. So what does this mean?
Currently it feels much more like faust v. yuma than faust v. you, to me. But however you see it, I guess. I've only been able to drop in here and there today. Will come up with something coherent to say tonight.
Wait, we're 'choosing' between you and Faust? Both of you are fantastic Mafia players!PPEIf you won't vote for RR because you believe faust is the best player here, vote for me. Because really, the only reason anyone isn't voting for RR is because you trust faust here.
I'm not voting for RR for different reasons.
Well, disregard those reasons and vote for him. Or not, if you choose faust.
I'm talking about how you went after me until you died. You were scum. And I don't want to vote for you, I'd rather see how Yuma reacts to pressure. Maybe I will vote for you if he goes to L-1.And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.
yuma was my partner in switch. So what does this mean?
PPE 2
Wake me up when this is over.
sorry. I mean to to say 'no' not 'on'. rather misleading typo that I didn't notice.
And I was going to say this yesterday, but then I went to sleep. Yuma's behavior reminds me a lot like Ashersky's in Switch Mafia.
Also, I can provide another reason you want to make this me vs. faust: you are well aware that I can dominate a thread to the point that nothing else of substance will get done until you either agree with me or kill me.
This has led to me being killed often, of course. But that's part of the deal anyway.
Also, I can provide another reason you want to make this me vs. faust: you are well aware that I can dominate a thread to the point that nothing else of substance will get done until you either agree with me or kill me.
This has led to me being killed often, of course. But that's part of the deal anyway.
why don't you just... not do that and vote for who you think is scum?
Or this could just be ash being legitimately frustrated with f.ds being turned into a big sheep!faust fest, which I too find a bit frustrating...
I don't even see who is sheeping faust this game. I've been saying that Awaclus is scummy since the end of day 1, so I certainly didn't. Who else is even voting for him?
Ashersky, we've been over this. Killing me because I'm hotheaded is not the way to go.
PPE 2
Hey I tried to lynch Faust but no one was up for it.
I don't even see who is sheeping faust this game. I've been saying that Awaclus is scummy since the end of day 1, so I certainly didn't. Who else is even voting for him?
No one has told me what they want me to do.
I want you to vote for the player you think is most likely to be scum.
especially given the complete absence of any other compelling case at this junction.
If there actually is something better that someone else (probably other than faust, I don't trust him this game at all) comes up with, I'll consider it. But right now. I think what I have presented is the best we currently have and I will push for it until I stop believing that. But I am not going to just roll over and play dead cause faust is apparently dead set against it.
If you don't trust me at all, you should vote for me.
Well, I think yuma is scummy, but I always think that, so... I still prefer an Awaclus lynch.
I... don't really see scum!faust defending partner!RR. RR'd probably be the least valuable member of the team, since he's fairly likely to be lynched ( no offense, but you said it yourself ). That makes defending him less profitable.
1. Provide a defense of RR that is not faust's.
Anyone tries to lynch him is exiled to the nether, or at least that dark corner of the playground that never gets weeded, is covered in old snickers wrappers, and where they throw half-eaten tuna sandwiches at you because no one care about you.
1. Provide a defense of RR that is not faust's.
Well, my reason to stop pushing his lynch wasn't anything faust did, it was RR's self-vote. It sounded to me like he really expected to be lynched and wanted to say "'I told you so" after it happened
which, well, isn't smart, but it makes him town.
Man he's played like three games. I didn't get lynched until something like my eighth game.
1. Provide a defense of RR that is not faust's.
Well, my reason to stop pushing his lynch wasn't anything faust did, it was RR's self-vote. It sounded to me like he really expected to be lynched and wanted to say "'I told you so" after it happened
which, well, isn't smart, but it makes him town.
Man he's played like three games. I didn't get lynched until something like my eighth game.
I... don't really see scum!faust defending partner!RR. RR'd probably be the least valuable member of the team, since he's fairly likely to be lynched ( no offense, but you said it yourself ). That makes defending him less profitable.
Thing is, he's never been lynched and he is yet again NOT BEING LYNCHED. Like, he built this incredibly nolynchwall around him that seems impossible to scale.
Anyone tries to lynch him is exiled to the nether, or at least that dark corner of the playground that never gets weeded, is covered in old snickers wrappers, and where they throw half-eaten tuna sandwiches at you because no one care about you.
I mean, RR was town in previous games that are now over, so the fact that we didn'T lynch him was a result of accurately determining is alignment.
The idea is that, once he is scum, he will be easily found out.
This might be the game. He's certainly much less towny than he used to be. But it might also not be.
And I don't really agree that people are made to feel bad for voting him... he was pretty close to being lynched and no-one tried to bully me out of doing it.
I only remember scum self-voting when they are on L-1 (-> self-hammering) or when the lynch is inevitable, because they have a guilty result on them. I can't remember a single time where scum has self-voted in order to survive.
Well, my reason to stop pushing his lynch wasn't anything faust did, it was RR's self-vote. It sounded to me like he really expected to be lynched and wanted to say "'I told you so" after it happened
which, well, isn't smart, but it makes him town.
Is it fair for me to think that when you say "he really expected to be lynched" it matches up to your statement above where scum thinks the "lynch is inevitable"?
I don't want to move my vote until we hear from Joseph.Rereading now
Is it fair for me to think that when you say "he really expected to be lynched" it matches up to your statement above where scum thinks the "lynch is inevitable"?
well, no. I think the two cases are really different.
So, i actually only remember one case where scum self-voted when their "lynch was invevitable." That was Egork, also in ASoIaFM, someone copped him guilty, he said ' no reason to delay the inevitable ' and self-voted. that was literally just to save everyone some time. He was copped, his team mates had been found out day 1 and 2, and there was literally no way out.
Self-hammering can be strategic. Like, when you are scum, have lost hopes for survival, and want to prevent town from using the remaining day. You self-hammer. It's good play.
Here, RR self-voted, but he didn't hammer himself with it, and his lynch wasn't set in stone. I think that's a totally different case than the above two - do you disagree with that?
And of that I can only remember... actually it's 3 cases. One from scum!PPS, one from town!PPS, and one from Witherweaver. I think he was town there, too. Though that might have been in Death Note mafia, where votes don't technically count for anything.
you're saying this now, but when I asked you about how confident you are, you only said like 10% more than an average player, which is not that much. I think people expected first!time!scum!RR to be more obvious than that.
Okay, now I am sort of echoing faust again.
I guess it is possible.Is it fair for me to think that when you say "he really expected to be lynched" it matches up to your statement above where scum thinks the "lynch is inevitable"?
well, no. I think the two cases are really different.
So, i actually only remember one case where scum self-voted when their "lynch was invevitable." That was Egork, also in ASoIaFM, someone copped him guilty, he said ' no reason to delay the inevitable ' and self-voted. that was literally just to save everyone some time. He was copped, his team mates had been found out day 1 and 2, and there was literally no way out.
Self-hammering can be strategic. Like, when you are scum, have lost hopes for survival, and want to prevent town from using the remaining day. You self-hammer. It's good play.
Here, RR self-voted, but he didn't hammer himself with it, and his lynch wasn't set in stone. I think that's a totally different case than the above two - do you disagree with that?
And of that I can only remember... actually it's 3 cases. One from scum!PPS, one from town!PPS, and one from Witherweaver. I think he was town there, too. Though that might have been in Death Note mafia, where votes don't technically count for anything.
I think it is possible he pulled the selfvote trigger too early. That's bad scum play, as would be expected from RR his first time as scum.
I think it is possible he pulled the selfvote trigger too early. That's bad scum play, as would be expected from RR his first time as scum.
and I don't feel comfortable with the whole assumption that he will be much more noticeable as scum. I'll point everyone back in Morgrim's direction. If I remember correctly he had a couple of really good scum appearances because he wasn't much, much more noticeable as scum. In fact it was kinda hard to tell him apart. There were signs, but they weren't as obvious as everyone made them out to be.
and I don't feel comfortable with the whole assumption that he will be much more noticeable as scum. I'll point everyone back in Morgrim's direction. If I remember correctly he had a couple of really good scum appearances because he wasn't much, much more noticeable as scum. In fact it was kinda hard to tell him apart. There were signs, but they weren't as obvious as everyone made them out to be.
but RR is 13!
I really think that a younger age makes it harder to consistently lie about something
We don't really disagree that much about RR. I still think he's the second scummiest player, and the recent posts from you and yuma have moved him really close to Awaclus
@ash: what do you think about Awaclus?
and I don't feel comfortable with the whole assumption that he will be much more noticeable as scum. I'll point everyone back in Morgrim's direction. If I remember correctly he had a couple of really good scum appearances because he wasn't much, much more noticeable as scum. In fact it was kinda hard to tell him apart. There were signs, but they weren't as obvious as everyone made them out to be.
but RR is 13!
I really think that a younger age makes it harder to consistently lie about something
What kind of 13-year old were you that you didn't lie about stuff?
Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.
Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.
yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.
Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.
yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.
I guess liopoil is more Jennifer Garner than RR, but mail-mi was fairly green when he started.
Also, see liopoil or mail-mi or sudgy for successful "young" players here.
yeah but they're different. RR is thirteen-thirteen.
I guess liopoil is more Jennifer Garner than RR, but mail-mi was fairly green when he started.
okay I wasn't there back then. was mail-me hard to find out in his first scum game?
It was Samurai and Ninjas (my game) and he was lynched D2 as godfather. Three scum were lynched D1, D2, D3.
He also won a scum game at the same time with Galzria as his partner -- M23.
He also won a scum game at the same time with Galzria as his partner -- M23.
I think he's a valid lynch target. He's definitely not towny. What's he done, really?
I think he's a valid lynch target. He's definitely not towny. What's he done, really?
Hammered iguana and concluded that RR is more likely to be town than scum (for which I have reasons that I can definitely explain later).
Wow, SS. I am speechless.
Wow, SS. I am speechless.
I'd much as I'd love to, I no longer count on Faust to be my knight in shining armor.Wow, SS. I am speechless.
prove it.
Then you'd better hope twilight is very, very short.Wow, SS. I am speechless.
why? it's not like I ever didn't think you're scummy.
I think he's a valid lynch target. He's definitely not towny. What's he done, really?
Hammered iguana and concluded that RR is more likely to be town than scum (for which I have reasons that I can definitely explain later).
I'm okay with the hammer, given I asked for a hammer. Not more likely from scum than town there, I don't think. Equally likely.
I don't like your conclusion on RR, obviously. But let me ask it differently: why are you not okay with his lynch regardless of your read? You have espoused a belief in past games that a mislynch is not necessarily as a bad lynch.
well for all of that conversation, RR is still just at 3 votes...Wait what?
well for all of that conversation, RR is still just at 3 votes...Wait what?
well for all of that conversation, RR is still just at 3 votes...
Joseph? Awaclus?
Joseph? Awaclus?
well for all of that conversation, RR is still just at 3 votes...
Are you even voting RR. I thought you switched to Awaclus.
Joseph? Awaclus?
joseph is voting for faust. Awaclus is voting for..... haddock. you are voting for me. I don't think anyone else has voted for you today.
So if you, joseph and awaclus come back we could get a lynch through...
Don't we still have a lot of time in the day. I don't think we want another quick lynch.
I'm not voting for RR because of gut reasons. He seems similar to me here as his other games, and I have a gut townread on him. If we are looking for information with faust, why don't we just lynch faust? I don't think there is a good reason to go for RR to "lynch faust". That being said I still need to reread a lot.
Don't we still have a lot of time in the day. I don't think we want another quick lynch.
I'm not voting for RR because of gut reasons. He seems similar to me here as his other games, and I have a gut townread on him. If we are looking for information with faust, why don't we just lynch faust? I don't think there is a good reason to go for RR to "lynch faust". That being said I still need to reread a lot.
No we aren't in a rush, but I feel like most of the town has took a firm stance on the RR situation (either way), aside from a few players, and I fear he isn't going to be lynched at all today for lack of support. People don't need to necessarily vote right now, but I feel like the wagon has stalled and that concerns me.
As for the lynching faust idea... Worst idea ever. I am not looking to get information about faust. I am looking to lynch scum. Who I think is scum. Every lynch provides information. If we lynch anyone for information I suggest you... And honestly I think lynching RR will provide more info on faust than the inverse will on RR.
Why would lynching me provide information?
I don't actually want to lynch Faust. I'm not going to start killing non-scummy people just to save my skin for another day.
I put my full support behind yuma here. So much so that if you refuse to vote for RR, then vote for me.
I declare myself the only player allowed to be voted for that is not named Roadrunner.
It seems that all games recently have come down to me versus faust as far as who is the superior mafia player. Regardless of past records, votes, and awards, the current crop of players has made very clear its general negative view of me as a player and person as compared to the generally god-like way faust is treated.
If you won't vote for RR because you believe faust is the best player here, vote for me. Because really, the only reason anyone isn't voting for RR is because you trust faust here.
Or this could just be ash being legitimately frustrated with f.ds being turned into a big sheep!faust fest, which I too find a bit frustrating...
Bingo.
1. Vote RR (ideally providing reasons, but whatever)
2. Provide a defense of RR that is not faust's.
And before faust can swoop in to defend RR as not good enough to do this, it's super easy to do, to be coached to do, etc. He's read some games, seen scum selfvote for sure.
oy vey!
Hey Public Announcement for All Future Scummies!
If you ever get two or three votes on you, just go ahead and self vote. No worries. We won't lynch you after you do that. It's cool. We get it. We will just go on ahead and mislynch somewhere else. Thanks for playing! Enjoy the win!
alright
vote: RR
Let's hear from Hydrad!
Requesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
Requesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
Is EFHW a lighthouse?Requesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
EFHW is not a guy.
Is EFHW a lighthouse?Requesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
EFHW is not a guy.
And I'm caught up. You guys sure were busy. I would like to hear back from silver regarding his sudden change.
I'm not scummy.
Is anything out of your mouth serious?I'm not scummy.
Classic scumtell.
Is anything out of your mouth serious?I'm not scummy.
Classic scumtell.
I'm trying not to act scummy because Yuma will twist my words to make me sound scummy.
For example, in my most recent post, he'd take out the word 'not.'
Faust, don't listen to him. People want to hear from you more. That's everyone but ashersky.
Is anything out of your mouth serious?I'm not scummy.
Classic scumtell.
Oh you're trying to be serious? I could not tell.
Player List:
1. yuma
2. gkrieg13
3.iguanaiguana-- lynched Day 1
4. e
5. Roadrunner7671
6. faust
7. Hydrad
8. silverspawn
9. Witherweaver
10. Haddock
11. Awaclus
12. Joseph
13. ashersky
tag: scott_pilgrim, TA
Anyway, it's true, "I'm not scummy" is a scummy thing to say. As scum, you're acutely aware of not acting scummy.
oy vey!
Hey Public Announcement for All Future Scummies!
If you ever get two or three votes on you, just go ahead and self vote. No worries. We won't lynch you after you do that. It's cool. We get it. We will just go on ahead and mislynch somewhere else. Thanks for playing! Enjoy the win!
This is just misdirecting crap and I urge you to stop this.
And I'm caught up. You guys sure were busy. I would like to hear back from silver regarding his sudden change. I would like for yuma and ashersky to return to a less confirmation-bias driven approach to the game. I would like for the rest of the players to give more opinions on stuff. Like, what do you think about yuma? About me? About random other people who don't post a lot?
Why would you "try" not to "act scummy" if you were town. Why wouldn't you just...be?
I'm a self aware player. Sorry.I'm trying not to act scummy because Yuma will twist my words to make me sound scummy.
For example, in my most recent post, he'd take out the word 'not.'
Why would you "try" not to "act scummy" if you were town. Why wouldn't you just...be?
That's the thing with self-awareness. It's bad.
Faust, don't listen to him. People want to hear from you more. That's everyone but ashersky.
What is this, anyway?
Faust, isn't this a scummy post?
oy vey!
Hey Public Announcement for All Future Scummies!
If you ever get two or three votes on you, just go ahead and self vote. No worries. We won't lynch you after you do that. It's cool. We get it. We will just go on ahead and mislynch somewhere else. Thanks for playing! Enjoy the win!
This is just misdirecting crap and I urge you to stop this.
No!
Obviously I am being facitious... sp? Being a bit silly is a fun part of the game. But there is a nugget of truth to what I said don't you think?
And why do you feel compelled to so very much control what is said or not said in this game? And why me in particular do you always want to get in line?
Faust, don't listen to him. People want to hear from you more. That's everyone but ashersky.
What is this, anyway?
Faust, isn't this a scummy post?
Why?
Then focus on my serious posts and address those issues instead of skirting around the issues. You have still yet to show me a game when RR didn't Omgus vote back
Then focus on my serious posts and address those issues instead of skirting around the issues. You have still yet to show me a game when RR didn't Omgus vote backWe have been over this. I no longer OMGUS. I learned that it sucked. If that makes me scum, whatever bro. That's not enough evidence.
If you want a prod, put your request in boldRequesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
Hydrad posted under an hour ago, so surely he isn't eligible for a prod?If you want a prod, put your request in boldRequesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
Not any moreHydrad posted under an hour ago, so surely he isn't eligible for a prod?If you want a prod, put your request in boldRequesting a prod won't do anything, the lighthouse guy is pretty inactive.Let's hear from Hydrad!
I had no idea Hydrad was even in this game...
So about RR. Let us assume for a moment that RR is scum, for the sake of the argument.
He seems to be playing decently well. I mean, the whole self-voting thing is already pretty good emotional manipulation. He also knows his meta and emulates it - this constant asking of "what's my meta?" is an indicator for this, as that's something he has done before.
So we have to agree that RR is a decent scum player and that he is aware of his meta. Then he should also know about his tendency to OMGUS. So that's the easiest part of the meta, why does he not emulate that?
This is why I think RR is town. Also because I believe newbie!scum!RR would not play that well.
I have already addressed this point. It all goes back to his mindset of how he approaches the game. This is how I think RR feels about the game.
When he is town his priority over everything else is that he stay alive. That is the most important thing. Because he knows he is town and if he stays alive, he will win.
Thus anyone that is voting for him must be against him, as town, and thus must be on the other side of him, mafia. Hence the OMGUSing.
But flip that. He is now mafia and he still has that mindset and furthermore it seems to him that others should think that way as well. If, when he is town, suspects people for voting for him, why shouldn't others do the same when he, as mafia, votes for them.
To me it fits in perfectly. Faust's defense here seems to be forced. I am generally not one to suspect partners, but I am starting to lean that way.
Then focus on my serious posts and address those issues instead of skirting around the issues. You have still yet to show me a game when RR didn't Omgus vote backWe have been over this. I no longer OMGUS. I learned that it sucked. If that makes me scum, whatever bro. That's not enough evidence.
^the whole post/vote seems to work under the impression that RR is town, which you admit you have doubts about.I know, I know. Obviously if RR is scum then it's more likely that you/ash are both town. So I don't know why I'm analysing based on the RR being town. I guess it's because even if we think he's 45% scum (approx. your best estimate, or it was a while back), it's still more likely that he's town overall so I want to think about that possibility. (Especially given that I'd rather vote other!scum that scum!RR today.)
I don't like it.
@Haddock: Do you have town reads on anybody?I make this point in my post. I don't really have strong townreads on anyone at all.
The people pushing RR the most seem to me to be yuma and ash. Both are pushing pretty damn hard. Hence the WIFOM; I want to say "scum wouldn't push a mislynch so blatantly" (this is on the admittedly possibly slightly tenuous assumption that RR is town), so yuma and ash are probably town. But maybe that's what they want me to think. I dunno.
Overall I think yuma pushes it far enough to be too-blatant-for-scum, while ash pushes it even further, to "scum-trying-to-set-up-a-'I wouldn't be that obvious'-defence". I can't exactly pin down why I think that, it's just my gut feeling about how the WIFOM situation falls out. So vote: ash I think. Another thing is that he keeps finding various quotes from people scummy, when I don't see them as such at all. Maybe that's just my inexperience.
Well let me tell you that both scum!ash and scum!yuma have pushed mislynches before, and "blatantly" as well. In fact, if ash did push any lynch and didn't do it blatantly, that would be very much out of the ordinary. With yuma less so, but he's still perfectly capable of doing that, and from my experience with him scum!yuma does a lot to keep his scumbuddies safe. This push accomplishes that.Hmm. Assuming this is true, which I think it is because its too easy to catch if its a lie, then Im grateful for the info. Am I to conclude that you agree that Ash is scummy, or are you more saying that yuma probably is too?
Well let me tell you that both scum!ash and scum!yuma have pushed mislynches before, and "blatantly" as well. In fact, if ash did push any lynch and didn't do it blatantly, that would be very much out of the ordinary. With yuma less so, but he's still perfectly capable of doing that, and from my experience with him scum!yuma does a lot to keep his scumbuddies safe. This push accomplishes that.Hmm. Assuming this is true, which I think it is because its too easy to catch if its a lie, then Im grateful for the info. Am I to conclude that you agree that Ash is scummy, or are you more saying that yuma probably is too?
yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.I need to take another look at switch. Why did we find hydrad scummy there? I mean obviously I didnt, I just went with it, helped me as scum.
Haddock - I don't know, I need to hear more. Early he was a bit scummy, lately he's a bit more towny.This is only my second game, but both my games so far have started with me doing something a bit weird/stupid early on and being initially considered scummy for it. Maybe this will be my meta. :-P
The people pushing RR the most seem to me to be yuma and ash. Both are pushing pretty damn hard. Hence the WIFOM; I want to say "scum wouldn't push a mislynch so blatantly" (this is on the admittedly possibly slightly tenuous assumption that RR is town), so yuma and ash are probably town. But maybe that's what they want me to think. I dunno.
ehh sorry, I didn't mean to have the whole rest of your quote there.
for what it's worth, i get town vibes from that post. Not agreement vibes, but town vibes.
Well you ended up voting ash BTW
I want some PoE done to see who are viable lynch targets.
yuma - the guy feels scummy. I don't buy his RR case. It feels constructed. But I know I am biased
💔Well you ended up voting ash BTW
-.- vote: RR
also I'm going to say I find Haddock slightly scummy as he was scum in his first game and he feels kinda the same to me here. But thats slightly unfair as I'm not sure what his town meta is but still. its a slight scum read.I mean, I guess that's kinda fair enough. Your second sentence is correct, of course, so be careful there.
Moar lynches.
Vote: Roadrunner
Moar lynches.
Vote: Roadrunner
yay!
Because I want more productive stuff to happen, and votes are productive.But do you want me to die? Or are you just adding pressure?
Because I want more productive stuff to happen, and votes are productive.But do you want me to die? Or are you just adding pressure?
Probably not.Because I want more productive stuff to happen, and votes are productive.But do you want me to die? Or are you just adding pressure?
Is that going to change how you react?
conspiracy theory time:
faust and ash are scum partners
conspiracy theory time:
faust and ash are scum partners
RR is our third.
I agree, it does seem pretty convenient to do it after being called out, rather than beforehand.Then focus on my serious posts and address those issues instead of skirting around the issues. You have still yet to show me a game when RR didn't Omgus vote backWe have been over this. I no longer OMGUS. I learned that it sucked. If that makes me scum, whatever bro. That's not enough evidence.
Dude. Dude. Dude. It totally is...
Why are you only telling us this after getting called out on it? You had the whole first day. Short but enough. And all of day2 prior to me calling you out. But you didn't. You waited until I had called you out to share this moment of seeing the light. Too convenient. I don't buy it. Dude.
yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.Hydrad often has not much presence, regardless of alignment.
Moar lynches.Wagoning again, but wagoning seems okay to me. Slightly town on WW.
Vote: Roadrunner
Sounds crazy to me, although ash and faust are 2 of the people probably crazy enough to at like this.conspiracy theory time:
faust and ash are scum partners
RR is our third.
EXACTLY!
We're so good at scum.conspiracy theory time:
faust and ash are scum partners
RR is our third.
I have an idea.
Vote: Joseph
I have an idea.
Vote: Joseph
Trying to see how big of a following you actually have?
Doesn't seem to be working so well....I have an idea.
Vote: Joseph
Trying to see how big of a following you actually have?
Now you jinxed it!
Day 2
Ron (aka e). There was no mark on him to show how he had died. “The Avada Kedavra curse,” whispered Sirius. Ron didn’t change appearance, so he must have been himself, not an imposter. He was a Member of the Order of the Phoenix
I mean if he wasn't particularly vocal I might think it might be a vig kill since he was bit lurky? I dunno.
Is e just known as a strong player? Scum NKs want to target strong players first regardless, probably, given how short D1 was.
yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.Hydrad often has not much presence, regardless of alignment.
Kutos (is that a word? I think that's a word.) to you if you read the whole thing.
I forgot about the possibility to claim
you need to claim.
And pardon my language, but has this just turned into a pissing match? I'm not going to be able to dislodge a wagon, I don't even know why I bother. We as a town can afford this lynch.
I forgot about the possibility to claim
you need to claim.
What? No. That's in no way necessary. RR is at what, L-3 now? And he just made a towny post and hopefully people are going to realize that and put their votes elsewhere.
I forgot about the possibility to claim
you need to claim.
What? No. That's in no way necessary. RR is at what, L-3 now? And he just made a towny post and hopefully people are going to realize that and put their votes elsewhere.
is he really only at L-3? his post sounds like L-1 to mme
I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
Well, I know that once your mind is set, noone can do anything to change it, so this doesn't surprise me.Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
No.
Also this:I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
Well, I know that once your mind is set, noone can do anything to change it, so this doesn't surprise me.Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
No.
No. The common belief that one should always claim is what's anti-town.Also this:I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
well yes, that's what brought me to request a claim right away. Refusing to claim at L-1 is pretty anti town
Also this:I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
well yes, that's what brought me to request a claim right away. Refusing to claim at L-1 is pretty anti town
No. The common belief that one should always claim is what's anti-town.Also this:I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
well yes, that's what brought me to request a claim right away. Refusing to claim at L-1 is pretty anti town
Mx mind can be changed though!Well, I know that once your mind is set, noone can do anything to change it, so this doesn't surprise me.Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
No.
No. The common belief that one should always claim is what's anti-town.Also this:I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
well yes, that's what brought me to request a claim right away. Refusing to claim at L-1 is pretty anti town
I'm pretty sure it is irrefutably towny to always claim when claiming is in the best interest of town.
No. The common belief that one should always claim is what's anti-town.Also this:I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1.
well yes, that's what brought me to request a claim right away. Refusing to claim at L-1 is pretty anti town
I'm pretty sure it is irrefutably towny to always claim when claiming is in the best interest of town.
The first rule of the Tautology Club is the first rule of the Tautology Club.
Mx mind can be changed though!Well, I know that once your mind is set, noone can do anything to change it, so this doesn't surprise me.Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
No.
But I don't see that much in that post which scum!RR wouldn't post. In fact, wouldn't scum!RR do... pretty much exactly what RR just did?
The only thing weird is the 'we can afford the lynch' thing.
I don't think he would be frustrated like this as scum.
I don't think he would be frustrated like this as scum.
You don't think he would make a long emotion-targetting post as !wagon!firstTime!Scum!RR? Or just no frustration?
Alright. Let's start out with the fact that I wanted a longer day on D-1. Scum doesn't want that. Town points for old RR, right? And then I didn't kill Iguana because of my awesome read skills. If I was scum, I would've wagoned him.This is not such a good point, because new!scum likes to do ostensibly towny things, which those are.
Then we have a long, boring twilight. I took nothing seriously there and didn't make mental notes, I had no idea why anyone would vote for me on D-2.That's the problem.
Yuma comes up with the argument that I didn't OMGUS people and that I 'played differently.' I said I learned that OMGUSing is terrible. He didn't counter that. Faust pointed out OMGUSing other people would be the easiest thing for me to recreate. Yuma didn't reply to that.yuma did reply, if I recall correctly, principally that you only said this after being called out on it.
And yet for some reason, Yuma's sheep come out if hiding and start ripping me apart.That's not how it feels to me at all. The wagon has a ton of resistance despite strong points
They are so desperate to lynch me that they'll take posts that say 'I'm not scummy' and write essays on why that's a scummy post. Why do they do this? Because they can't find more evidence.eh
And pardon my language, but has this just turned into a pissing match? I'm not going to be able to dislodge a wagon, I don't even know why I bother. We as a town can afford this lynch.like I said, this is weird
And I don't usually play the age card, but look at it from my point of view. Being a 13 year old Mafia with fingers flying at me would suck big time. Personally, as a bad Mafia player, I'd just curl up and die under the pressure.It would suck, and I can see you reacting strongly. Like, Making a huge post about it.
I would note, in SS's final quote from the RR Magnum Opus (RRMO from here on out), RR uses the "as scum I would do..." tactic.
That's a huge scumtell for newbies, in my experience/opinion.
I would note, in SS's final quote from the RR Magnum Opus (RRMO from here on out), RR uses the "as scum I would do..." tactic.
That's a huge scumtell for newbies, in my experience/opinion.
Do you have links to support this opinion?
And I've been seen as scum!?
I didn't sway anyone who has come online yet. Who am I appealing to now, Joseph?And I've been seen as scum!?
if we can lynch someone else scummy, no offence but scum!you doesn't exactly fill me with fear.I believe you're looking for my most recent post.
What!are!all!these!for!they!are!really!awful!for!reading!I!agree!but!it!seems!to!be!the!done!thing!
S!e!r!i!o!u!s!l!y!
Alright. Let's start out with the fact that I wanted a longer day on D-1. Scum doesn't want that. Town points for old RR, right?
And then I didn't kill Iguana because of my awesome read skills. If I was scum, I would've wagoned him.
Yuma comes up with the argument that I didn't OMGUS people and that I 'played differently.' I said I learned that OMGUSing is terrible. He didn't counter that. Faust pointed out OMGUSing other people would be the easiest thing for me to recreate. Yuma didn't reply to that.
And yet for some reason, Yuma's sheep come out if hiding and start ripping me apart. They are so desperate to lynch me that they'll take posts that say 'I'm not scummy' and write essays on why that's a scummy post. Why do they do this? Because they can't find more evidence.
And pardon my language, but has this just turned into a pissing match? I'm not going to be able to dislodge a wagon, I don't even know why I bother. We as a town can afford this lynch.Your language is not excused
And I don't usually play the age card, but look at it from my point of view. Being a 13 year old Mafia with fingers flying at me would suck big time. Personally, as a bad Mafia player, I'd just curl up and die under the pressure.
Now I'm just ranting to make my post longer and see who actually reads it. I don't feel inclined to claim today, even at L-1. Ashersky is out for my blood though, and people are just going to vote for me because they want a lynch.
Actually, let's bold that. It sounds smart and important. People are just going to vote for me because they want a lynch. Am I suggesting a no lynch by this? No, of course not!
Do I have anything else to say? Not really. Maybe someone will unvote if I mention how active and willing to help I am (and always will be)? I'm a bad target because I am very active and face it: this game would be a lot quieter without me running my mouth whenever someone mentions my name.
Faust is on my side. Y'all like Faust, you think he's good at Mafia. Yet you are following Yuma and Ashersky, two 'powerhouses' who are living in the present. My death is a blow to morale in my arrogant opinion. Ashersky likes to see my flip (maybe he doesn't like my high post count) and I have no idea about Yuma. His wagon on me seems unjust. I don't like it (obviously).
Now we watch Yuma and Ashersky (with a dash of Awaclus) pick my post apart not cause they think it's scummy, but simply because they can and they want a lynch. And with no Iguana to blindly go after, they hit up the next animal.
Kutos (is that a word? I think that's a word.) to you if you read the whole thing.
Good night.
-This was a phone post.
PPE: Only One
Is the post really towny though? Like, is it really?
No.
Back to vote: yuma
I think I was voting for ash, though the last vote count still has me on faust.
Either I'm misreading or EFHW is, doesn't matter now anyway.
Actually, yeah, no, vote: ash
PPE. I'm no longer convinced by scum!faust. Also, I don't think scum!you would bus scum!faust like that, nor does scum!faust defend scum!you like that. I don't think you can both be scum.
Back to vote: yuma
well poop. there I thought i had a chance of convincing you...
(yeah... right... like I could ever convince you of anything)
Unless someone wants to talk, I think I'll lurk until Yuma comes.
I think I was voting for ash, though the last vote count still has me on faust.
Either I'm misreading or EFHW is, doesn't matter now anyway.
Actually, yeah, no, vote: ash
PPE. I'm no longer convinced by scum!faust. Also, I don't think scum!you would bus scum!faust like that, nor does scum!faust defend scum!you like that. I don't think you can both be scum.
That's delayed OMGUS, btw. I went after you at the beginning of the day.
You also voted me by saying you think faust is town now. So at least I was right that these games basically come down to which of the two of us players like better.
I think I was voting for ash, though the last vote count still has me on faust.
Either I'm misreading or EFHW is, doesn't matter now anyway.
Actually, yeah, no, vote: ash
PPE. I'm no longer convinced by scum!faust. Also, I don't think scum!you would bus scum!faust like that, nor does scum!faust defend scum!you like that. I don't think you can both be scum.
Vote: Hydrad
Lynching Hydrad is good for the soul.
Lynching Hydrad is good for the soul.
there are quite a few other players whose lynch would be good for the soul.
I don't think lynching hydrad would necessarily be good for this game. I tend to avoid wanting to lynch null, non-scummy random lurkers.
your age has no factor in this case. So don't use it as a defense.
And my read on RR was tempered by the fact that he is a 13 year old kid. Having played RL mafia with a 13 year old that was pretty much exactly what I expected regardless of alignment. That mitigated a lot of his scumminess.
your age has no factor in this case. So don't use it as a defense.
This is a quote from yuma in the M70 spectator QT:QuoteAnd my read on RR was tempered by the fact that he is a 13 year old kid. Having played RL mafia with a 13 year old that was pretty much exactly what I expected regardless of alignment. That mitigated a lot of his scumminess.
I'll shut Yuma down in about an hour.
your age has no factor in this case. So don't use it as a defense.
This is a quote from yuma in the M70 spectator QT:QuoteAnd my read on RR was tempered by the fact that he is a 13 year old kid. Having played RL mafia with a 13 year old that was pretty much exactly what I expected regardless of alignment. That mitigated a lot of his scumminess.
What's your point?
your age has no factor in this case. So don't use it as a defense.
This is a quote from yuma in the M70 spectator QT:QuoteAnd my read on RR was tempered by the fact that he is a 13 year old kid. Having played RL mafia with a 13 year old that was pretty much exactly what I expected regardless of alignment. That mitigated a lot of his scumminess.
What's your point?
You are inconsistent.
Several people pushing RR. I can see the scum!RR argument I think, there are some good points. But I really think we should try to catch other scum right now, RR is less likely to use his night actions effectively if he is scum, better to kill the probably-stronger scum players.
vote: Hydrad
Lynching Hydrad is good for the soul.
vote: Hydrad
Hydrad - completely lurky null. Would be fine with a lynch.
yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.
yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.Hydrad often has not much presence, regardless of alignment.
Hydrad has basically always 'not much' presence. But I said 'zero' as in 'zero instead of a little'.
So I guess conversation has pretty much dried up. However, as sad as this is, I feel gkreig actually makes a point. Hydrad, town or scum, is an okay lynch unless he starts doing more stuff. Sorta like a default, you know?
That's my two cents.
That's, just, so very very false. Witherweaver's first response pretty much sums it up. I mean, what, is faust never allowed to vote me from now til eternity because one of my first votes was on him? Or yuma, for the same reason?I think I was voting for ash, though the last vote count still has me on faust.
Either I'm misreading or EFHW is, doesn't matter now anyway.
Actually, yeah, no, vote: ash
PPE. I'm no longer convinced by scum!faust. Also, I don't think scum!you would bus scum!faust like that, nor does scum!faust defend scum!you like that. I don't think you can both be scum.
That's delayed OMGUS, btw. I went after you at the beginning of the day.
You also voted me by saying you think faust is town now. So at least I was right that these games basically come down to which of the two of us players like better.
Because why? I mean, I make a comment about what I think is a mod error, then put my vote back where it should have been all along. Yes I unvoted ash a few posts earlier, but that was just a reflex, if you can't remember who you're voting for you need to read through some stuff and have another think. The fact that I've come to the same conclusion again is not antitown...I think I was voting for ash, though the last vote count still has me on faust.
Either I'm misreading or EFHW is, doesn't matter now anyway.
Actually, yeah, no, vote: ash
PPE. I'm no longer convinced by scum!faust. Also, I don't think scum!you would bus scum!faust like that, nor does scum!faust defend scum!you like that. I don't think you can both be scum.
Jokes aside, this isn't the towniest post ever.
So Hydrad is another "he never lurks this much as scum" guy now?
He also never used to lurk this much as town. I don't think it's a tell either way.
Because why? I mean, I make a comment about what I think is a mod error, then put my vote back where it should have been all along. Yes I unvoted ash a few posts earlier, but that was just a reflex, if you can't remember who you're voting for you need to read through some stuff and have another think. The fact that I've come to the same conclusion again is not antitown...
I stand by the RR comment as well.
So Hydrad is another "he never lurks this much as scum" guy now?
I don't think so.He also never used to lurk this much as town. I don't think it's a tell either way.
More this. He is posting less than he usually does in any type of game. So it probably has more to do with availability than it does alignment.
Plus there are superior lynches to be had out there than a random lynch, cause that is basically what the hydrad lynch is. If we were stuck and didn't have anything to go on... sure he could be good. But we have some good stuff to lynch off. defaulting to this just ignores the good stuff that we have.
I have a few questions for Yuma, I'd like Faust to answer them to (you obviously don't have to).
1. Who are you most frustrated with this game?
2. Who do you think will get lynched today?
3. What day do you think you'll die on?
4. Do you think anything personal is going on with anyone?
Thanks guys for a speedy response!
Dude, what is with you and "personal"ness in Mafia games?I try not to make things personal. I also don't want anyone to get upset. Why don't you answer the questions too, WW?
Dude, what is with you and "personal"ness in Mafia games?I try not to make things personal. I also don't want anyone to get upset. Why don't you answer the questions too, WW?
I don't like this lynch. Too easy, too convenient. Has the full markings of a mislynch.
Jokes aside?
Is it? Like, I'm frustrated with Yuma for being so closed minded toward anything other than ScumJokes aside?
Not sure if joking. Asking "who are you frustrated with" is pretty personal.
Even though this is defending me, I am next-to-positive he was talking about Hydrad.I don't like this lynch. Too easy, too convenient. Has the full markings of a mislynch.
Yeah, I agree... wait, we weren't talking about RR?
There is this thing called sarcasm. You should check it out some time.Even though this is defending me, I am next-to-positive he was talking about Hydrad.I don't like this lynch. Too easy, too convenient. Has the full markings of a mislynch.
Yeah, I agree... wait, we weren't talking about RR?
SS: Claimed to be open minded, then tried to pick my argument apart. He's confused, I'm not sure why. He thinks I'm scum but his mind will be changed...by a flip.
I'm confused. Didn't you just confess that you're scum this game?I didn't sway anyone who has come online yet. Who am I appealing to now, Joseph?And I've been seen as scum!?
Cool. Let's go back and check out the case on hydrad:vote: HydradLynching Hydrad is good for the soul.vote: HydradHydrad - completely lurky null. Would be fine with a lynch.yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.yeah, Hydrad is also a good lynch. When he has zero presence, that's a scum tell I think.Hydrad often has not much presence, regardless of alignment.
Hydrad has basically always 'not much' presence. But I said 'zero' as in 'zero instead of a little'.So I guess conversation has pretty much dried up. However, as sad as this is, I feel gkreig actually makes a point. Hydrad, town or scum, is an okay lynch unless he starts doing more stuff. Sorta like a default, you know?
That's my two cents.
so we have... good for the soul... lurking.... and default lynch...
Good stuff here... really good stuff.
PS: did anyone read M69? Where Hydrad was scum. I did! I was partners with him. He wasn't super mister active, but he was around more than here.
I don't like this lynch. Too easy, too convenient. Has the full markings of a mislynch.
How do you get that from what I said?I'm confused. Didn't you just confess that you're scum this game?I didn't sway anyone who has come online yet. Who am I appealing to now, Joseph?And I've been seen as scum!?
How do you get that from what I said?I'm confused. Didn't you just confess that you're scum this game?I didn't sway anyone who has come online yet. Who am I appealing to now, Joseph?And I've been seen as scum!?
Everyone is voting for me. I'm trying to sway them away for voting for me.
stupid emoticons...
can't a guy just type in ??? and have it be ??? without it turning into a stupid emoticon?
Town read on gkrieg13.
I'm over here when you need me.Town read on gkrieg13.
Y'all got any more of them... town reads?
I meant 'I've been seen as scum' as in this game.
Sorry that I talk badly.I meant 'I've been seen as scum' as in this game.
oh.
no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
I mean, like, you kill people at night for no reason. what the fuck?Wow. I apologize for saying 'piss' and we get this without so much as batting an eye.
why don't you just confess and tell me who your partners are? I'd lynch you last.
That's a non-answer, and I think it shows may be suffering from confirmation bias.no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
towny... things? things that I see him doing more as town than as scum?
It's a pretty general question. But I barely get town vibes from him this game, and he has done a bunch of scummy things instead.
That's a non-answer, and I think it shows may be suffering from confirmation bias.no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
towny... things? things that I see him doing more as town than as scum?
It's a pretty general question. But I barely get town vibes from him this game, and he has done a bunch of scummy things instead.
That's a non-answer, and I think it shows may be suffering from confirmation bias.no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
towny... things? things that I see him doing more as town than as scum?
It's a pretty general question. But I barely get town vibes from him this game, and he has done a bunch of scummy things instead.
I thought I made this clear. I unvoted because it seems to me that if you forget who you're voting for you should probably unvote, otherwise clearly you're not thinking enough about your vote.Because why? I mean, I make a comment about what I think is a mod error, then put my vote back where it should have been all along. Yes I unvoted ash a few posts earlier, but that was just a reflex, if you can't remember who you're voting for you need to read through some stuff and have another think. The fact that I've come to the same conclusion again is not antitown...
I stand by the RR comment as well.
Because if you wanted to vote Ash, why do the unvote, who am I voting for?, vote Ash thing. Why not just vote Ash?
So Hydrad is another "he never lurks this much as scum" guy now?
I don't think so.He also never used to lurk this much as town. I don't think it's a tell either way.
More this. He is posting less than he usually does in any type of game. So it probably has more to do with availability than it does alignment.
Plus there are superior lynches to be had out there than a random lynch, cause that is basically what the hydrad lynch is. If we were stuck and didn't have anything to go on... sure he could be good. But we have some good stuff to lynch off. defaulting to this just ignores the good stuff that we have.
Don't be sorry for getting a job.
Now, don't think of this as RR vs Yuma. Vote for the scummiest person, even if they have no votes.
PPE 2
Don't be sorry for getting a job.
Now, don't think of this as RR vs Yuma. Vote for the scummiest person, even if they have no votes.
PPE 2
Who's the scummiest person?
Don't be sorry for getting a job.
Now, don't think of this as RR vs Yuma. Vote for the scummiest person, even if they have no votes.
PPE 2
Who's the scummiest person?
Haddock.
In my opinion, it's Yuma.
Well then snap out of it! Did you see my 'speech?'
usually I try to trust my gut though as it is right more often I believe.I'm glad to hear that, but unlike some other players, I'm not going to try to tell you what to do.
Why are you frustrated at me? Because I find you scummy?Is it? Like, I'm frustrated with Yuma for being so closed minded toward anything other than ScumJokes aside?
Not sure if joking. Asking "who are you frustrated with" is pretty personal.
RR. I suppose I am a tad frustrated with Joseph and Hydrad as well.
I may as well leave this here for nowHurm.
Vote: Haddock
Still want to find a better one then this though.
I may as well leave this here for nowHurm.
Vote: Haddock
Still want to find a better one then this though.
Did you read my response to your original points? It's find if you did and you still want to vote me, I just want to make sure.
Awa's finding me scummy is nothing new. His not giving reasons is also nothing new. But it is annoying.
That's a small part, but it's mostly because you're lurkingNot lurking, rather I'm busy IRL with work.
That's a small part, but it's mostly because you're lurkingNot lurking, rather I'm busy IRL with work.
Take all the time you need, but we for sure want a lynch today.That goes without saying. I also agree with Hydrad in that at the moment it seems like it will only be yuma or you.
Haddock, that's actually okay. Tonight, at about 3:00 AM, I'll make a speech that will blow my old one out of the water.
Assuming you mean 3am Eastern, I'll be asleep.Haddock, that's actually okay. Tonight, at about 3:00 AM, I'll make a speech that will blow my old one out of the water.
I'm looking forward to it
That's my intentAssuming you mean 3am Eastern, I'll be asleep.Haddock, that's actually okay. Tonight, at about 3:00 AM, I'll make a speech that will blow my old one out of the water.
I'm looking forward to it
Um okay?That's my intentAssuming you mean 3am Eastern, I'll be asleep.Haddock, that's actually okay. Tonight, at about 3:00 AM, I'll make a speech that will blow my old one out of the water.
I'm looking forward to it
I straight-up don't know how to read RRYay?
Well I'm not going to oppose lynching you, so it's not the best thing ever.Hence the question mark. Would you read another speech or have you lost interest in me?
Honestly, rr just sounds shop uptight and defensive - rewinds me of scum! me when I hadn't played scum at all.Well I'm not going to oppose lynching you, so it's not the best thing ever.Hence the question mark. Would you read another speech or have you lost interest in me?
We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.So was/am I as scum. I'm sorry, it's just the thing I'm seeing more and more is that this defensiveness seems very like scum!me.
We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.
What would make you think that RR is scum?
eh... I don't get it. I agree that it is a non-answer, but that was inherent to the question. How could you answer it meaningfully?
Hydrad finally voted. Nothing he has said has been too towny though. Might be because catching up is hard. I'm keeping my vote there for now.
I could be swayed to vote for Haddock. I have a gut scum read on him. Coupled with what happened at the beginning of the day and his reaction to it.
PPE
I would like you to find scum.
Hey RR, I just wanted to say that independently of your alignment, I think the way you play this game has improved a lot since your first game here.Thanks Faust. Sadly it seems me playing better just means me dying quicker.
Switch Mafia-I was very defensive. Blitz Mafia-I was very defensive. I flipped town in both of those.We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.So was/am I as scum. I'm sorry, it's just the thing I'm seeing more and more is that this defensiveness seems very like scum!me.
I haven't wagon hopped, and that made people see me as scum. I don't know what hedging is? Is that not being sure between two things? I haven't done that. And with no job and little school, I would like to consider myself very active.What would make you think that RR is scum?
Well, the usual I suppose... convenient wagon-hopping, hedging, being less active than usual. Maybe if someone supported my view on the RR issue (because that might be a scum partner). Also my read may change depending on flips. Or claims.
Yes... I didn't mean to say you did that. I meant that if you would do that, it would be scummy.I haven't wagon hopped, and that made people see me as scum. I don't know what hedging is? Is that not being sure between two things? I haven't done that. And with no job and little school, I would like to consider myself very active.What would make you think that RR is scum?
Well, the usual I suppose... convenient wagon-hopping, hedging, being less active than usual. Maybe if someone supported my view on the RR issue (because that might be a scum partner). Also my read may change depending on flips. Or claims.
RR i'm curious. Do you have any thoughts that faust might be scum? or do you consider him an IC almost.That's an interesting question. I will probably go into it more in my next rant.
eh... I don't get it. I agree that it is a non-answer, but that was inherent to the question. How could you answer it meaningfully?
There are clear town traits that you can name. Some things make specific players more likely town. You can state what they are.
I would like you to find scum.
I would like you to find scum.
What. What. What.eh... I don't get it. I agree that it is a non-answer, but that was inherent to the question. How could you answer it meaningfully?
There are clear town traits that you can name. Some things make specific players more likely town. You can state what they are.
Isn't that just a theoretical question that is in no way linked to this game specifically?
I don't have a catalog of scum and town traits. I look at something and then apply reason and intuition. I tend not to give too much credit to arguments that don't take a player's personality into perspective.
I have a few questions for Yuma, I'd like Faust to answer them to (you obviously don't have to).
1. Who are you most frustrated with this game?
2. Who do you think will get lynched today?
3. What day do you think you'll die on?
4. Do you think anything personal is going on with anyone?
Thanks guys for a speedy response!
no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
Switch Mafia-I was very defensive. Blitz Mafia-I was very defensive. I flipped town in both of those.We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.So was/am I as scum. I'm sorry, it's just the thing I'm seeing more and more is that this defensiveness seems very like scum!me.
What page could I find that post on, Yuma?
Yep, I know how that feels. Can you just tell me what the post said?What page could I find that post on, Yuma?
I don't know. If i were on laptop I could find it easy. On phone that is harder... Sorry.
Yep, I know how that feels. Can you just tell me what the post said?What page could I find that post on, Yuma?
I don't know. If i were on laptop I could find it easy. On phone that is harder... Sorry.
So Hydrad is another "he never lurks this much as scum" guy now?
I don't think so.He also never used to lurk this much as town. I don't think it's a tell either way.
More this. He is posting less than he usually does in any type of game. So it probably has more to do with availability than it does alignment.
Plus there are superior lynches to be had out there than a random lynch, cause that is basically what the hydrad lynch is. If we were stuck and didn't have anything to go on... sure he could be good. But we have some good stuff to lynch off. defaulting to this just ignores the good stuff that we have.
Ya sorry I got a job recently and its eating up more time then I thought.
What. What. What.eh... I don't get it. I agree that it is a non-answer, but that was inherent to the question. How could you answer it meaningfully?
There are clear town traits that you can name. Some things make specific players more likely town. You can state what they are.
Isn't that just a theoretical question that is in no way linked to this game specifically?
I don't have a catalog of scum and town traits. I look at something and then apply reason and intuition. I tend not to give too much credit to arguments that don't take a player's personality into perspective.
I just learned my meta about 12 hours ago. And now you're telling me I have a personality?
This is just great.
Let's paraphrase Faust here. OMGUSing someone would be the easiest thing for me to replicate. If I thought it would be a huge deal and get me lynched, I would've done so.Yep, I know how that feels. Can you just tell me what the post said?What page could I find that post on, Yuma?
I don't know. If i were on laptop I could find it easy. On phone that is harder... Sorry.
Post where you said you had changed meta to no longer Omgus. I stated that you only brought it up after being called out on it, not before.
Is it? Like, I'm frustrated with Yuma for being so closed minded toward anything other than ScumJokes aside?
Not sure if joking. Asking "who are you frustrated with" is pretty personal.
RR. I suppose I am a tad frustrated with Joseph and Hydrad as well.
Let's paraphrase Faust here. OMGUSing someone would be the easiest thing for me to replicate. If I thought it would be a huge deal and get me lynched, I would've done so.Yep, I know how that feels. Can you just tell me what the post said?What page could I find that post on, Yuma?
I don't know. If i were on laptop I could find it easy. On phone that is harder... Sorry.
Post where you said you had changed meta to no longer Omgus. I stated that you only brought it up after being called out on it, not before.
And we all know OMGUSing is bad, I was going to stop doing it at some point. Why would I choose a game in which I was scum (I'm not scum, I'm just saying if I was). Wouldn't it be more reasonable to replicate my Switch Mafia tactic and not draw attention to myself?
Oh, I would like to point something out.
If I don't get lynched today, Yuma could be night killed.
This does mean I am scum, this means people are trying to frame me as scum by killing the person who is after me.
PPE
Well no, if you would change your read just based on that I would have no votes on me. And I should probably step back and realize that you're still a human being. You came up with an idea that looks good to you, and it sucks (in your case) to have people tear it apart. It's like having an essay edited, then someone ruins it by taking entire paragraphs out and changing stuff.Is it? Like, I'm frustrated with Yuma for being so closed minded toward anything other than ScumJokes aside?
Not sure if joking. Asking "who are you frustrated with" is pretty personal.
RR. I suppose I am a tad frustrated with Joseph and Hydrad as well.
Sorry you are frustrated. Unfortunately frustration isn't an alignment tell. I am perfectly willing to concede that you may be, and probably are actually are very frustrated. Town gets frustrated when mislynched. Scum gets frustrated when accurately lynched.
But you know what is most frustrating? When you feel like you have a really good read on a player, let yourself get talked out of it by other players and then lose the game because, or partially because of it. That I am holding my ground had nothing to do with you personally, but from bitter experience of being right before and not standing my ground. I think I am onto something good here. You will disagree no matter what, that is a given. If something better comes up I'll consider that as well, but I am not going to change my read on you just because you say I should.
Oh, I would like to point something out.
If I don't get lynched today, Yuma could be night killed.
This does mean I am scum, this means people are trying to frame me as scum by killing the person who is after me.
PPE
Scummy post On the level of the "cop me" cause I am a godfather post by mail Mi that ash and I talked about earlier today.
I'm sorry. Maybe I missed a comma or something. But I completely did not understand this post. It looks like gibberish to me.Oh, I would like to point something out.
If I don't get lynched today, Yuma could be night killed.
This does mean I am scum, this means people are trying to frame me as scum by killing the person who is after me.
PPE
Scummy post On the level of the "cop me" cause I am a godfather post by mail Mi that ash and I talked about earlier today.
I'm sorry. Maybe I missed a comma or something. But I completely did not understand this post. It looks like gibberish to me.Oh, I would like to point something out.
If I don't get lynched today, Yuma could be night killed.
This does mean I am scum, this means people are trying to frame me as scum by killing the person who is after me.
PPE
Scummy post On the level of the "cop me" cause I am a godfather post by mail Mi that ash and I talked about earlier today.
Oh, I would like to point something out.
If I don't get lynched today, Yuma could be night killed.
This does mean I am scum, this means people are trying to frame me as scum by killing the person who is after me.
PPE
Scummy post On the level of the "cop me" cause I am a godfather post by mail Mi that ash and I talked about earlier today.
i'm curious how did that even ended up? did you guys realize he was godfather right away?
This does mean I am scum
I don't have anything to say about HTSNBN.
Oh, I would like to point something out.
If I don't get lynched today, Yuma could be night killed.
This does mean I am scum, this means people are trying to frame me as scum by killing the person who is after me.
PPE
Scummy post On the level of the "cop me" cause I am a godfather post by mail Mi that ash and I talked about earlier today.
i'm curious how did that even ended up? did you guys realize he was godfather right away?
He was already under pressure. Like at l-2. And he said, let's lynch x today and then have the cop investigate me during the night. He will see that I am town.
So it became apparent that he likely was scum already and that just pushed him over the ledge really quick. I think his scum partner actually is the one who first made a comment about it.
I don't have anything to say about HTSNBN.
Why do you keep calling me that, though?
You know what I meant.This does mean I am scum
It does? That's surprising.
To be clear I don't hold it against people for trying to convince me away from a case or read I have. That is their perogative as scum. It means they are playing well.
I see. So, Faust, as an excellent Mafia player, what do you think the best argument for scum RR is? Is it the fact that I haven't OMGUSed? Is it the fact that I am not a robot and I don't do the exact same thing every time? Or is it something else?
Huh? It is linked to this game. The question is, at this point in the game, is there anything RR could do to make you think he is town?eh... I don't get it. I agree that it is a non-answer, but that was inherent to the question. How could you answer it meaningfully?
There are clear town traits that you can name. Some things make specific players more likely town. You can state what they are.
Isn't that just a theoretical question that is in no way linked to this game specifically?
I don't have a catalog of scum and town traits. I look at something and then apply reason and intuition. I tend not to give too much credit to arguments that don't take a player's personality into perspective.
I would like you to find scum.
I would like you to find scum.
How does a Joseph strike your fancy?
So your mind is set, RR can do nothing anymore to change it? That's anti-town play.no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
If he had acted like he typically acted when faced with persistent and aggressive pressure. But he didn't. Well at least not until I pointed out that he hadn't. That he is doing it now is too little too late.
Also RR has still failed to respond to the posts that he incorrectly stated I didn't respond to....
I honestly don't see how you could think that RR acts the same as his old meta here.Switch Mafia-I was very defensive. Blitz Mafia-I was very defensive. I flipped town in both of those.We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.So was/am I as scum. I'm sorry, it's just the thing I'm seeing more and more is that this defensiveness seems very like scum!me.
Except you weren't until I called you out. Since then you reverted to your old meta. Prior to that you were a different beast.
But you know what is most frustrating? When you feel like you have a really good read on a player, let yourself get talked out of it by other players and then lose the game because, or partially because of it. That I am holding my ground had nothing to do with you personally, but from bitter experience of being right before and not standing my ground. I think I am onto something good here. You will disagree no matter what, that is a given. If something better comes up I'll consider that as well, but I am not going to change my read on you just because you say I should.This is something I completely expect scum!yuma to do because it fits with the narrative of a prior game. I would hope that town!yuma tries to live in the present a bit more.
And again my point in rebuttal to what you originally said is: if you intended from the start to eliminate omgus from your play why did you not tell everyone of this new found revelation at the start of the game? Why wait until you are called out in it to bring it up. Too convenient
I honestly don't see how you could think that RR acts the same as his old meta here.Switch Mafia-I was very defensive. Blitz Mafia-I was very defensive. I flipped town in both of those.We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.So was/am I as scum. I'm sorry, it's just the thing I'm seeing more and more is that this defensiveness seems very like scum!me.
Except you weren't until I called you out. Since then you reverted to your old meta. Prior to that you were a different beast.
You agree he doesn't match his old meta and yet you defend him? Yuma is arguing he wasn't matching his old meta...
You agree he doesn't match his old meta and yet you defend him? Yuma is arguing he wasn't matching his old meta...
Well, I agree. But I don't think it is scummy.
You agree he doesn't match his old meta and yet you defend him? Yuma is arguing he wasn't matching his old meta...
Well, I agree. But I don't think it is scummy.
Man, how often do we all say "he's not acting like his town self" or "he doesn't remind me of that town game" when we make cases? Why does that not apply here?
So until someone wins as scum, we just ignore it all?
Of course there is. But it's not a useful thing to try to come up with things he could do beforehand, also because there are a huge number of them.Huh? It is linked to this game. The question is, at this point in the game, is there anything RR could do to make you think he is town?eh... I don't get it. I agree that it is a non-answer, but that was inherent to the question. How could you answer it meaningfully?
There are clear town traits that you can name. Some things make specific players more likely town. You can state what they are.
Isn't that just a theoretical question that is in no way linked to this game specifically?
I don't have a catalog of scum and town traits. I look at something and then apply reason and intuition. I tend not to give too much credit to arguments that don't take a player's personality into perspective.
lynch: RR
I would like to point out that people are different, because a lot of us seem to forget that. Statements like "changing your meta is scummy" or "self-voting is scummy" are useless and wrong because whether or not something is scummy always depends on the player doing it. People try to work with such universal scumtells because it's easier, but such a thing does not actually exist.
lynch: RRThat's dark.
To be clear I don't hold it against people for trying to convince me away from a case or read I have. That is their perogative as scum. It means they are playing well.
This is misleading... again. It is also our perogative as town.
So your mind is set, RR can do nothing anymore to change it? That's anti-town play.no problem
I have more of an issue with the fact that you're probably scum
What would make you think that RR is town?
If he had acted like he typically acted when faced with persistent and aggressive pressure. But he didn't. Well at least not until I pointed out that he hadn't. That he is doing it now is too little too late.
Also RR has still failed to respond to the posts that he incorrectly stated I didn't respond to....
And again my point in rebuttal to what you originally said is: if you intended from the start to eliminate omgus from your play why did you not tell everyone of this new found revelation at the start of the game? Why wait until you are called out in it to bring it up. Too convenient
Why would he though?
I would like to point out that people are different, because a lot of us seem to forget that. Statements like "changing your meta is scummy" or "self-voting is scummy" are useless and wrong because whether or not something is scummy always depends on the player doing it. People try to work with such universal scumtells because it's easier, but such a thing does not actually exist.
To expand on my last question/point...
The statements you make here are not untrue. But, with a newer player, where we lack the points of reference you mention, we have to work differently.
No, we have yet to see RR flip scum. But we have a clear definition of town!RR and his behavior. That behavior has not been replicated here (until it was pointed out, and then he turned it on overdrive). Both the lack of normal town play and the overcompensation when called out for it are scummy behaviors.
It's a good case, faust. You don't have any reason to believe RR is town other than pride and contrarianism.
So Yuma, you're saying that there is something I can do to make you think I'm not scum?
Personally, I don't believe that. So can you tell me what it is?
I would like you to find scum.
I would like you to find scum.
How does a Joseph strike your fancy?
Not bad. I would join in there if more people voted Joseph I think... I prefer yuma a bit though.
In case it's not obvious, yuma's post was why I wanted to unvote RR, and voting Haddock was because I don't like just unvoting without voting for someone else if there's time to think about who I want to vote for next.and
Who's the scummiest person?
Haddock.
2. If RR is scum and we lynch him I am likely going to be the nk target anyways. 3. If RR is town and not lynched u think I will likely be the nk to set him up.I'm thinking about your claim. In the meantime, I don't like these two things. Someone (was it you?) used comments that RR made along these exact lines as a reason to find RR scummy.
vote: yumaI think someone should unvote. We need to actually take some time to think about this claim, you don't just autolynch someone who has claimed.
L-1 I believe
vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.He had been on Hydrad, his vote on yuma is only L-2 though. Confusion about vote numbers can be forgiven, the last official count was a while back.
Yuma's claim is scummy.
He's covering all his bases so the real people don't step up and say something. I would post more but I'm busy.Yuma's claim is scummy.
Why?
In other news, having a look through I found these two:In case it's not obvious, yuma's post was why I wanted to unvote RR, and voting Haddock was because I don't like just unvoting without voting for someone else if there's time to think about who I want to vote for next.andWho's the scummiest person?
Haddock.
Is it me or are these two statements pretty contradictory? He says I'm just a placeholder vote and then claims that I'm the scummiest person here. (Which, btw, seriously? There are some gut reads on me at the moment, but can Awa honestly find me scummier than everyone else? I don't get it.) There's some time difference there, but it's not like Awa says anything about me in the meantime. This being Awa I guess it's not really an alignment tell, but it is pretty weird. I mean one of these statements has to be false.
You were the placeholder because you were the scummiest person at the time, and you still are.Whatever. Whatever your reasons, they're not good enough; but I don't expect an explanation from you of all people.
You were the placeholder because you were the scummiest person at the time, and you still are.Whatever. Whatever your reasons, they're not good enough; but I don't expect an explanation from you of all people.
It's not up to you to decide if my reasons are good enough. What is up to you is to give me good enough reasons to stop voting you.I'm town, therefore your reasons are not good enough. Obviously, you can vote me, and if I could be bothered I would try to convince you not to. But that is destined to be completely futile, knowing you.
I'm town, therefore your reasons are not good enough. Obviously, you can vote me, and if I could be bothered I would try to convince you not to. But that is destined to be completely futile, knowing you.
The only way it's completely futile is that you're scum.It's futile because you're you. You decide something, nothing will change your mind. Fortunately you're not the only one who gets to decide.
The only way it's completely futile is that you're scum.It's futile because you're you. You decide something, nothing will change your mind. Fortunately you're not the only one who gets to decide.
vote: Haddockgkrieg, I expect votes without explanations from Awa, but this is your third unexplained vote, can you give reasons for any of them?
That's demonstrably false. For example, earlier this day, yuma did an excellent job of convincing me that RR is town.So I could convince you that I'm town by having someone spend an entire day arguing that I'm scum? Sounds legit.
if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.
not sure what I'm supposed to say... I don't think you should full claim.
He's covering all his bases so the real people don't step up and say something. I would post more but I'm busy.Yuma's claim is scummy.
Why?
if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.
not sure what I'm supposed to say... I don't think you should full claim.
You don't need to say anything necessarily. I simply think that you and ash might be more inclined, as you both tend to focus more on theory and setup talk than some others, to see why I might claim as a PR this way. And if you could see that at state there is a viable reason that would lend more credence to it than me simply stating it on my own.
Awaclus already I think understands the idea.
haddock wagon is meh
I could probably do a gkrieg lynch though, if we aren't doing RR. he has been thoroughly unhelpful and opportunistic this game
if gkrieg was already voting for you, then his move was fine. otherwise, wtf.
not sure what I'm supposed to say... I don't think you should full claim.
You don't need to say anything necessarily. I simply think that you and ash might be more inclined, as you both tend to focus more on theory and setup talk than some others, to see why I might claim as a PR this way. And if you could see that at state there is a viable reason that would lend more credence to it than me simply stating it on my own.
Awaclus already I think understands the idea.
Well yes, I mean, there are very obvious reasons to claim the way you did. You don't need to understand the setup to know that; you just need to understand a few basics about mafia and what those 3 roles do.
I thought so as well, but when the first people jumped in and said it was awful I wondered if it wasn't as clear as I thought... Or they just didn't think it all the way through, but hopefully they will now that others have stated that the way I claimed has a protown scenario attached to it.This was mostly just me. I'm with you now, sorry, I just wasn't 100% familiar with the roles. I think I've got it now.
haddock wagon is meh
I could probably do a gkrieg lynch though, if we aren't doing RR. he has been thoroughly unhelpful and opportunistic this game
haddock wagon is meh
I could probably do a gkrieg lynch though, if we aren't doing RR. he has been thoroughly unhelpful and opportunistic this game
How have I been unhelpful? I voted Hydrad to get him participating again, I voted yuma because I think he is scummier between yuma/RR, and Haddock had a scummy moment to start the day, took some pressure and disappeared, then reappeared. I've also been sick this week so I've been doing a lot of sleeping during my usual forum time.
you're unhelpful because you turned into awaclus #2
[Haddock]...took some pressure and disappeared, then reappeared.!!! This is just so wrong. I've posted several times in every IRL day.
I'm not unhelpful.Ha!
Haddock is legitimately scummy. Look at his reaction to putting yuma at "L-1".My reaction was to suggest someone unvote so we're not risking a derphammer. I mean maybe it's not super likely, but suggesting caution is not scummy.
His response to Awaclus saying he is scummy is also scummy.I don't see how.
haddock wagon is meh
I could probably do a gkrieg lynch though, if we aren't doing RR. he has been thoroughly unhelpful and opportunistic this game
How have I been unhelpful? I voted Hydrad to get him participating again, I voted yuma because I think he is scummier between yuma/RR, and Haddock had a scummy moment to start the day, took some pressure and disappeared, then reappeared. I've also been sick this week so I've been doing a lot of sleeping during my usual forum time.
Did you think that you were really putting me at L-1? Cause it looked like it... fake L-1ing hasn't been a thing yet and I don't see the point of it being a thing...I can't see it being intentional. Caught me out, though, even in spite of my count just a few posts earlier.
- like/be fine to lynch
- don't like but would lynch over a no-lynch
- will oppose lynching no matter what
To be clear I don't hold it against people for trying to convince me away from a case or read I have. That is their perogative as scum. It means they are playing well.
This is misleading... again. It is also our perogative as town.
Context!!!!!! In this case I was referring to the people who , in previous games convinced me to change or stop having a really strong read in someone who was later confirmed to be scum. I think that is what is going on here, but I don't know it.
If you want to be so obsessed with finding every post of mine misleading at least spend the time to determine the context and substance of the posts.
What is with you this game? You aren't normally such a pain.
To be clear I don't hold it against people for trying to convince me away from a case or read I have. That is their perogative as scum. It means they are playing well.
This is misleading... again. It is also our perogative as town.
Context!!!!!! In this case I was referring to the people who , in previous games convinced me to change or stop having a really strong read in someone who was later confirmed to be scum. I think that is what is going on here, but I don't know it.
If you want to be so obsessed with finding every post of mine misleading at least spend the time to determine the context and substance of the posts.
What is with you this game? You aren't normally such a pain.
That context is not clear from the post. And I would appreciate it if you would not call me "a pain".
I'll weigh in on other stuff tomorrow. I'm not sure I find yuma scummy enough to want to lynch him after a PR claim.
Post to avoid being prodded. Catching up as soon as I can.
Vote Count 2.7
Roadrunner (3): yuma, ashersky, silverspawn
faust (1): Joseph2902
Haddock (3): Awaclus, Hydrad, gkrieg13
yuma (3): Roadrunner7671, faust. Witherweaver
ashersky (1): Haddock
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day ends Monday, November 23 at 8 p.m.
Unofficial vote count:I hadn't processed that EFHW hadn't taken that into account.
RR: Yuma, Ash, SS (3)
Faust: Joseph (1)
Haddock: Awa, Hydrad (2)
Yuma: RR, Faust, WW (3)
Ash: Haddock (1)
Hydrad: Gkrieg (1)
It's clear that noone wants to vote anyone except Yuma and RR (and maybe me, I guess). So my vote on ash may as well be nowhere. Out of yuma and RR I would definitely rather vote: RR at the point. He just seems to get scummier as he and yuma argue.
In other news, having a look through I found these two:In case it's not obvious, yuma's post was why I wanted to unvote RR, and voting Haddock was because I don't like just unvoting without voting for someone else if there's time to think about who I want to vote for next.andWho's the scummiest person?
Haddock.
Is it me or are these two statements pretty contradictory? He says I'm just a placeholder vote and then claims that I'm the scummiest person here. (Which, btw, seriously? There are some gut reads on me at the moment, but can Awa honestly find me scummier than everyone else? I don't get it.) There's some time difference there, but it's not like Awa says anything about me in the meantime. This being Awa I guess it's not really an alignment tell, but it is pretty weird. I mean one of these statements has to be false.
I changed my mind. Vote: yuma
The fact that he did not state his target does not fit with his claim. Because each of the roles he claimed would provide information:
Hider - the person he targetted last night is town.
Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
Jailkeeper - the person he targetted last night did not take an action
So yuma knows that; why would he not claim his target? Because he's lying.
I changed my mind. Vote: yumaDefinitely agree that's odd, if claiming a PR then why not tell people who he targetted.
The fact that he did not state his target does not fit with his claim. Because each of the roles he claimed would provide information:
Hider - the person he targetted last night is town.
Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
Jailkeeper - the person he targetted last night did not take an action
So yuma knows that; why would he not claim his target? Because he's lying.
I changed my mind. Vote: yuma
The fact that he did not state his target does not fit with his claim. Because each of the roles he claimed would provide information:
Hider - the person he targetted last night is town.
Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
Jailkeeper - the person he targetted last night did not take an action
So yuma knows that; why would he not claim his target? Because he's lying.
I changed my mind. Vote: yuma
The fact that he did not state his target does not fit with his claim. Because each of the roles he claimed would provide information:
Hider - the person he targetted last night is town.
Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
Jailkeeper - the person he targetted last night did not take an action
So yuma knows that; why would he not claim his target? Because he's lying.
I didn't claim targets because there was the potential to let mafia know which role I was by doing so.
I changed my mind. Vote: yuma
The fact that he did not state his target does not fit with his claim. Because each of the roles he claimed would provide information:
Hider - the person he targetted last night is town.
Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
Jailkeeper - the person he targetted last night did not take an action
So yuma knows that; why would he not claim his target? Because he's lying.
Vote: HaddockThen vote RR
I'm believing Yuma.
Vote: HaddockThen vote RR
I'm believing Yuma.
Vote: HaddockThen vote RR
I'm believing Yuma.
RR is the mehest if "meh" lynches.
Also I'm leaning slightly town. He doesn't sound much like scum, especially new player, first-time scum, to me.
What is the point of having people have town reads on you when they don't believe your reads are good?
This is wonderfully ironic given that your read on me is so spectacularly wrong. Im actually pretty severely pissed off at you right now, youve contributed almost nothing to this game and just sit on your throne, confident in your mistakrn belief and telling everyone that you are completely right and they are completely wrong, without offering any evidence! I should be used to this from you, but its really getting on my nerves.What is the point of having people have town reads on you when they don't believe your reads are good?
Have better reads then.
Am I not frustrated enough? Do I have to start swearing? I'm sorry for trying to remain collected.
see - this is what a frustrated town sounds like. this is why I don't think RR is town.
I think I'm pretty collected, possibly excluding my annoyance at Awa. "piss" is hardly a swear word, though I do apologise, I genuinely feel a bit bad using any kind of language in earshot of a 13 year old. No offence.Am I not frustrated enough? Do I have to start swearing? I'm sorry for trying to remain collected.
see - this is what a frustrated town sounds like. this is why I don't think RR is town.
What you have to do is to stop asking what you have to do.Am I not frustrated enough? Do I have to start swearing? I'm sorry for trying to remain collected.
see - this is what a frustrated town sounds like. this is why I don't think RR is town.
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Why are you so desperate to ensure RR doesn't get lynched? Scum partners is the only thing that makes sense at this point.
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Why?
Look. I am not going to join a wagon without reasons on some random player just cause you say so. In another game where I don't have a strong read on someone I might be inclined to do so cause there isn't anything better. But this game, where I do have a strong read I, and others, should demand good solid reasons for voting someone. And that uber mafia God Faust said to isn't enough of a reason.
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Why?
Look. I am not going to join a wagon without reasons on some random player just cause you say so. In another game where I don't have a strong read on someone I might be inclined to do so cause there isn't anything better. But this game, where I do have a strong read I, and others, should demand good solid reasons for voting someone. And that uber mafia God Faust said to isn't enough of a reason.
It not an awesome case. He is lurky, he is hedgy, he is mildly scummy. Plus PoE.
I have a correct read and I am going to get lynched for it? This is fantabulous.
PPE 2
perhaps the best new!scum tell in the game is overreacting to pressure. you currently have... what, 2 votes?
RR always overreacts to pressure.
Which doesn't mean that I thik he's town. He could very well be scum. But this is a bad argument.
I am the point where I could do a Faust lynch...
Do others agree with me that 2.7 is unlikely as a mafia kill? Of course I jked Faust partially out of a desire to maybe stop a nk on him, so he could have been the one targeted... But the way he has been today has been odd. But I am only going that wY if the RR lynch completely falls apart.
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Why are you so desperate to ensure RR doesn't get lynched? Scum partners is the only thing that makes sense at this point.
Why doees it not make sense that I think he is town?
I am the point where I could do a Faust lynch...
Do others agree with me that 2.7 is unlikely as a mafia kill? Of course I jked Faust partially out of a desire to maybe stop a nk on him, so he could have been the one targeted... But the way he has been today has been odd. But I am only going that wY if the RR lynch completely falls apart.
I mean, there is only 50% for a SK, right? so you don't need a fancy explanation for a single NK.
You guys probably shouldn't lynch me.
I didn't see your claim, I will now reread.You guys probably shouldn't lynch me.
Says the guy still voting for the town JK.
yeah, the way faust is so determined to prevent the RR lynch is getting increasingly strange.
The RR lynch needs to happen. It has super high resistance despite having a strong case.
Great. Now I don't like any of the wagons anymore.
Uhh... vote: Joseph? Let's try something else!
Why are you so desperate to ensure RR doesn't get lynched? Scum partners is the only thing that makes sense at this point.
Why doees it not make sense that I think he is town?
Not what I asked. You may very well think he's town. Doesn't explain why you are defending him so much. Mislynches happen. You know this.
I think he's scum. Being so incredibly hard to lynch is further evidence of that.
You seem to be trapped into never reversing course on him now that you've committed.
I guess I believe Yuma's claim.
Unvote
Now I don't know what to do.
PPE
I think he's scum. Being so incredibly hard to lynch is further evidence of that.
You seem to be trapped into never reversing course on him now that you've committed.
You seem to be trapped into never reversing course on him now that you've committed.
Vote: faustThis is for pressure, right?
Ugh... Emotions...Vote: RR-_-
Hardly. I think yumas just venting.Vote: faustThis is for pressure, right?
Hardly. I think yumas just venting.Vote: faustThis is for pressure, right?
If I was scum then it would be an easy lynch!This is false as far as I can tell. Its much easier to lynch town because some scum will often push for it, whereas bussing is not entirely the norm.
Bleh. I would vote Joseph if it were really the only way to get a lynch through.
But there are better lynches, RR being one.
Failing that, gkrieg, anyone?
I still find Ash scummy but I dont see that wagon forming, somehow, noone agreed last time.
Vote: faustThis is for pressure, right?
Vote Count 2.9So I'm voting for a claimed JK, that seems bad so Unvote. If he's lying, we can just kill him another day.
Roadrunner (4): yuma, ashersky, silverspawn, Haddock
Haddock (4): Awaclus, Hydrad, gkrieg13, Witherweaver
yuma (1): Joseph
Joseph (1): faust
not voting (1): Roadrunner7671
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day ends Monday, November 23 at 8 p.m.
Couple of things. He seemed to make several accusations of scumminess early on, accusing various posts of various people of being scummy when I really didnt see them as such. Maybe just disagreement, maybe not.Bleh. I would vote Joseph if it were really the only way to get a lynch through.
But there are better lynches, RR being one.
Failing that, gkrieg, anyone?
I still find Ash scummy but I dont see that wagon forming, somehow, noone agreed last time.
What do you find scummy about Ash?
at this point I'm almost willing to lynch RR so that whether hes town or scum we can just move on. Plus hes the most informative lynch.I think you need to make a choice here then. Time is not limitless at this point.
I think you need to make a choice here then. Time is not limitless at this point.
On a different note, I should be around some of 1-5pm (forum time) tomorrow, apart from that I'm busy.Me from about 2.30 onwards.
PPE:1
He wasnt L-1 when I wrote that, but yeah ok. I didn't mean to pressure you, Hydrad, sorry.I think you need to make a choice here then. Time is not limitless at this point.
It is relatively limitless at this point. RR is at L-1 and a lot of people are fine with lynching him.
He wasnt L-1 when I wrote that, but yeah ok. I didn't mean to pressure you, Hydrad, sorry.I think you need to make a choice here then. Time is not limitless at this point.
It is relatively limitless at this point. RR is at L-1 and a lot of people are fine with lynching him.
Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
I mean I'm here and properly free from then. Will be here from time to time earlier on.On a different note, I should be around some of 1-5pm (forum time) tomorrow, apart from that I'm busy.Me from about 2.30 onwards.
PPE:1
Hmm, something interesting just caught my eye.Rolecop - the person he targetted last night is town or the Mafia Goon (if he had a guilty result, I think he would have played differently)
Isn't this a scum slip? How does faust know there's only one Mafia Goon?
What are the chances of there being two goons according to the setup?
It works out at 54.7%, just so people know. That's assuming I got the maths right.What are the chances of there being two goons according to the setup?
0%
L-1 is pretty bad.
Vote: Ashersky
It works out at 54.7%, just so people know. That's assuming I got the maths right.
Well I found faust scummy earlier, I could maybe go for this. Im not sure scum!faust screws up like this though. I'm going to wait for input from others, not superconfident about this.
So I'm dead, right?
You are assuming they have the same alignment.He really isn't, you know. He's offered several different possible situations. We need more from you than this, gkrieg. Your post here doesnt give us any insight into your thoughts on the possible lynches, Including faust.
Nope, I was a Vanilla Townie.
My two cents: This doesnt look fantastic for Awa whatever RR flips, especially If he's wrong about the RR vengekill.
Please point out this breadcrumbing. I dont see it and I think you might be blowing wind to cover yourself.Nope, I was a Vanilla Townie.
Why breadcrumb being a venge then?
My reasons for finding that hammer scummy should be pretty clear. I'm usually happy to explain such reasons, but not to you, I think. This is petty of me, but I will quite enjoy finding you scummy without telling you why.My two cents: This doesnt look fantastic for Awa whatever RR flips, especially If he's wrong about the RR vengekill.
Why not?
Please point out this breadcrumbing. I dont see it and I think you might be blowing wind to cover yourself.
I want to hear from SS Ashersky and Yuma. I imagine they're happy that I can't talk, even when I flip town.
Hmmmmmm. OK. I was seeing that more in the light of RR doing stuff that doesnt make sense, which is not uncomon for him. But I guess it could be seen as venge breadcrumbs...Please point out this breadcrumbing. I dont see it and I think you might be blowing wind to cover yourself.
All the self-voting, "we can afford this mislynch" etc. I didn't think he was doing it intentionally, and turns out he wasn't doing it even accidentally, but I thought that only made sense if he was a venge.
But are you happy now SS?
But are you happy now SS?Hes never going to answer yes to this question. Obviously if you're town then only scum is happy about this. Stop trying to make it personal.
You won't be happy?But are you happy now SS?
I'm happy if you flip scum
actually that's not true. I won't be happy if you flip scum. But I'll be much happier than if you flip town.
no, i had a chance to win master and the top 4 played out today and I placed fourth, that weighs heavier than a successful lynch in mafiaYou won't be happy?But are you happy now SS?
I'm happy if you flip scum
actually that's not true. I won't be happy if you flip scum. But I'll be much happier than if you flip town.
no, i had a chance to win master and the top 4 played out today and I placed fourth, that weighs heavier than a successful lynch in mafiaAre you talking about a game other than mafia? I didnt know there were such things. :-P
Man, I'm happy when I get Tier X level performance arena runs.
I don't get it SS-after my speech you thought I was town. What changed your mind?
well thanksThe possible scumslip remains. Seems a good topic to talk about during twilight. I might have to sleep soon though, though I'd like to see the flip first.Man, I'm happy when I get Tier X level performance arena runs.
it's all relative. timex was disappointed after he won over a million dollars in poker.
so... if RR is in fact town, I'm not sure what that says about faust. Maybe he has just been right all along
Sure, who cares.I don't get it SS-after my speech you thought I was town. What changed your mind?
I didn't?
if you're scum, you could admit it. then we can talk more freely.
for what it's worth, you did better than I did in my first scum game.Gee, thanks.
Now I have no idea. That could just be annoyed!RR getting our hopes up to spite us for mislynching him. Seems a bit unlikely.
RR also talks about claiming earlier in the day, as in " I won't claim even at L-1". Why say that as a Vt?
If you were scum, RR, that was tough, I do feel for you a bit even as im happy happy about the correct lynch. Your town meta is so off-the-wall it must be seriously hard to emulate.Care to share about a town meta?
wait so is RR town or scum.
I still feel like hes town there and is just saying hes scum to try to make you happy?
so. faust is the one to look at tomorrow, then. Although he's not conf!scum or anything.Hurmanurm. The defence of RR is too blatant, maybe? But then thats a premade defence, isnt it? The scumslip is worth talking about, im willing to believe it might be just that. RRs flip will help, of course. Maybe talking about it now is not the best actually, only helps scum target more accurately.
I did say I thought it was unlikely that he would lie like that. But its RR, who knows?Now I have no idea. That could just be annoyed!RR getting our hopes up to spite us for mislynching him. Seems a bit unlikely.
RR also talks about claiming earlier in the day, as in " I won't claim even at L-1". Why say that as a Vt?
no man. scum claiming town during twilight is legit. town claiming scum actively hurts their faction. if someone says he's scum, then he's scum.
town points for doubting him though. Not that you need them, you were my top townread anyway.
You're just weird! We've been there. Sorry I cant offer much more than that, this could be an interesting postgame chat though.If you were scum, RR, that was tough, I do feel for you a bit even as im happy happy about the correct lynch. Your town meta is so off-the-wall it must be seriously hard to emulate.Care to share about a town meta?
wait so is RR town or scum.
I still feel like hes town there and is just saying hes scum to try to make you happy?
are you trying to get townpoints too? that doesn't work if haddock already did it. also you're way too experienced.
so. faust is the one to look at tomorrow, then. Although he's not conf!scum or anything.Hurmanurm. The defence of RR is too blatant, maybe? But then thats a premade defence, isnt it? The scumslip is worth talking about, im willing to believe it might be just that. RRs flip will help, of course. Maybe talking about it now is not the best actually, only helps scum target more accurately.
Another five minutes then I go to bed. Probably Efhw wont get here in time, I mean fair enough really, im just super impatient!
I know. Like I said, five minutes. I realise how stupid this is. :-PAnother five minutes then I go to bed. Probably Efhw wont get here in time, I mean fair enough really, im just super impatient!
twilight can last for hours and hours. don't try to stay awake for it.
twilight can last for hours and hours. don't try to stay awake for it.
twilight can last for hours and hours. don't try to stay awake for it.
Applies to the movies as well.
so while i like the faust lynch. lets try to not have another 8 hour day.
There's really no one else I'd vote for here.
2 Goons means we have a TTT situation. Doctor, Jailkeeper = PP, Vig = K. There should be no other PR, so I am the only one who can account for the nightkill.
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I don't think there are can be other NK PRs though, right? The only town NK role is Vig, and 2 Vigs means 3 Ks, which is too many.2 Goons means we have a TTT situation. Doctor, Jailkeeper = PP, Vig = K. There should be no other PR, so I am the only one who can account for the nightkill.
Ah, you are wrongQuote from: JKK+ SetupThe moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted.
first instinct is that scum used a bus driver shot i think...Bus Driver is impossible, I think? Given the other stuff. So I don't know why WW wouldn't protect yuma...
i feel like WW would of protected yuma otherwise.
@faust: who did you target N1?
faust, explain your ridiculous anti-town play yesterday.
"I was trying not to get nightkilled" is not an acceptable answer.
2 Goons means we have a TTT situation. Doctor, Jailkeeper = PP, Vig = K. There should be no other PR, so I am the only one who can account for the nightkill.
Ah, you are wrongQuote from: JKK+ SetupThe moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted.
Huh, why did I think it would be 6? Is it 6 in asher++?No we couldn't. The only 2-vig possibility has 3Ks.
Then we could theoretically have 2 vigs I guess, though WW does not make a lot of sense as a vig kill.
I should say "3 or more Ks"Huh, why did I think it would be 6? Is it 6 in asher++?No we couldn't. The only 2-vig possibility has 3Ks.
Then we could theoretically have 2 vigs I guess, though WW does not make a lot of sense as a vig kill.
3Ks+2Ps means at most 2Ts, but there were two goons.
faust, explain your ridiculous anti-town play yesterday.
"I was trying not to get nightkilled" is not an acceptable answer.
Err.. I thought RR was town?
@faust: who did you target N1?
I targetted ashersky. Should be obvious. I thought from D1 that he breadcrumbed Hider, so I thought shooting him might confirm him as town. He didn't die, so I had an inexplicable townread on him D2. Of course then it became clear that yuma jailkept me, so poop.
@faust: who did you target N1?
I targetted ashersky. Should be obvious. I thought from D1 that he breadcrumbed Hider, so I thought shooting him might confirm him as town. He didn't die, so I had an inexplicable townread on him D2. Of course then it became clear that yuma jailkept me, so poop.
Why didn't you shoot me again?
faust, explain your ridiculous anti-town play yesterday.
"I was trying not to get nightkilled" is not an acceptable answer.
Err.. I thought RR was town?
Also not an acceptable answer. He was clearly caught, as both yuma and I made very clear. Even silverspawn, who is loathe to agree with me, came around.
Disagreeing with you is not "being ridiculously anti-town", even if I am wrong.
I'm not believing your VIG claim until everyone else has posted.
Vote Count 2.10Roadrunner (6): yuma, ashersky, silverspawn, Haddock, Joseph, Awaclus
Haddock (3): Hydrad, gkrieg13, Witherweaver
Joseph (1): faust
ashersky (1): Roadrunner
not voting (0):
With 11 players alive, it took 6 to lynch.
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So yeah, I think it's likely scum was not voting RR.Are you saying you think both remaining scum were offwagon? I dunno.
So yeah, I think it's likely scum was not voting RR.Are you saying you think both remaining scum were offwagon? I dunno.
Warning: The rest of this post is based on the assumption that faust is the vig, and just screwed up yesterday. If that angers you, ash, then tough I'm afraid.
I don't see BOTH other Mafia being on RR's wagon, so with Awa on there I think there must be a mafia offwagon. That makes it (up to the disclaimer above) gkrieg or Hydrad.
I find gkrieg fairly scummy, could maybe see him being the last partner, but definitely need to reread before I commit to anything.
But I don't see Hydrad as being scum, really, and there's no reason to believe that the SK wouldn't have been on RR's wagon.
That's me, ash, SS, Joseph. I'm town. I could see SK from any of the remaining 3, ultimately, but my gut says town!SS. Joseph has been quiet enough to be SK, and if I'm totally honest with myself, I just can't read ash at all.
I'm saying the remaining mafia was off-wagon.OK, we agree. Just checking.
The SK is best treated as town for scumhunting purposes, because they scumhunt just like us. Also, SK hunting is scummy.Is this an accusation?
It does not make a lot of sense to just consider off-wagon vs on-wagon. Awaclus opposed the RR lynch for almost all of D2. One would assume that the third partner did not do the same.Good point. This is why I need a reread. I'd already forgotten Awa's scummy lastditch hammer.
Huh, why did I think it would be 6? Is it 6 in asher++?
Could scum have strongman killed yuma? I'm going to guess yuma was scum's kill given his claim. I would assume he jailed his top town read, as he would have jailed faust otherwise.
ash I might give a pass for not counterclaiming faust. I think scum should have done that for sure.
ash I might give a pass for not counterclaiming faust. I think scum should have done that for sure.
Wait, what? Scum loses for sure if they counterclaim me here.
ash I might give a pass for not counterclaiming faust. I think scum should have done that for sure.
Wait, what? Scum loses for sure if they counterclaim me here.
... right. I was forgetting that scum and SK are in separate teams. I thought a 1-1 trade would be good for scum.
in that case I'll just treat you as an IC now. Which is pretty great.
I dont think that's quite 100% true, though its darn close.ash I might give a pass for not counterclaiming faust. I think scum should have done that for sure.
Wait, what? Scum loses for sure if they counterclaim me here.
Wow a flurry of votes to start the day. These are the two that catch me as scummy:First. Hi everyone!
Well back to vote: RRWelp. vote: Awaclus
No particular reason.
Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
Haddock's vote and reaction are scummy. Forcing back us into RVS is scummy. Even though D1 was short, it gave us a lot of information. Just looking at the wagon gives information. Mafia loves fast mislynches, so there is bound to be at least one scum on the wagon.
But having not played with RR before, I don't see how what anyone said was personal, and thus I find it a bit scummy. So, I think I want to Vote: rr.
I guess it is possible.Is it fair for me to think that when you say "he really expected to be lynched" it matches up to your statement above where scum thinks the "lynch is inevitable"?
well, no. I think the two cases are really different.
So, i actually only remember one case where scum self-voted when their "lynch was invevitable." That was Egork, also in ASoIaFM, someone copped him guilty, he said ' no reason to delay the inevitable ' and self-voted. that was literally just to save everyone some time. He was copped, his team mates had been found out day 1 and 2, and there was literally no way out.
Self-hammering can be strategic. Like, when you are scum, have lost hopes for survival, and want to prevent town from using the remaining day. You self-hammer. It's good play.
Here, RR self-voted, but he didn't hammer himself with it, and his lynch wasn't set in stone. I think that's a totally different case than the above two - do you disagree with that?
And of that I can only remember... actually it's 3 cases. One from scum!PPS, one from town!PPS, and one from Witherweaver. I think he was town there, too. Though that might have been in Death Note mafia, where votes don't technically count for anything.
I think it is possible he pulled the selfvote trigger too early. That's bad scum play, as would be expected from RR his first time as scum.
Right now, I see this more as faust vs yuma than ash vs faust or ash vs RR.
I think faust is scummier, and RR I'm definitely in 2 minds about. So, Vote: faust.
I'm edging a bit more towards RR being scum, but I think faust is scummier right now.
Um okay?That's my intentAssuming you mean 3am Eastern, I'll be asleep.Haddock, that's actually okay. Tonight, at about 3:00 AM, I'll make a speech that will blow my old one out of the water.
I'm looking forward to it
FWIW, current scum reads are:
RR- for all the previous things I've said
Hydrad- gut instinct + similar to M69, where Hydrad was scum
Haddock- gut instinct (not played together before)
Honestly, rr just sounds shop uptight and defensive - rewinds me of scum! me when I hadn't played scum at all.Well I'm not going to oppose lynching you, so it's not the best thing ever.Hence the question mark. Would you read another speech or have you lost interest in me?
Not that there's much on Joseph.. he seems to not be doing a lot but posting a little bit here and there, his comments feel like he feels he ought to be commenting. The thing that stood out to me was his "when I was scum, I did this..." argument, but I'm not so sure why I found it scummy at the time. I've said the same thing as both town and scum.
Hydrad I don't want to lynch; he's been townier since we summoned him.
Vote: Yuma
vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
It does not make a lot of sense to just consider off-wagon vs on-wagon.
I dont think that's quite 100% true, though its darn close.ash I might give a pass for not counterclaiming faust. I think scum should have done that for sure.
Wait, what? Scum loses for sure if they counterclaim me here.
The following is technically possible, though unlikely.
Scum counterclaims. We believe them for some reason and lynch you.
Both scum hit town. Then its 1v1v2. If town are stupid enought to lynch, they essentially kingmake one of the scum. Only town hope is to no lynch and hope that scum hit each other. Then its down to luck, but certainly either scum can potentially win from there.
Sorry yeah. I forgot the obvious element of scum-would-shoot-lying-claimer.I dont think that's quite 100% true, though its darn close.ash I might give a pass for not counterclaiming faust. I think scum should have done that for sure.
Wait, what? Scum loses for sure if they counterclaim me here.
The following is technically possible, though unlikely.
Scum counterclaims. We believe them for some reason and lynch you.
Both scum hit town. Then its 1v1v2. If town are stupid enought to lynch, they essentially kingmake one of the scum. Only town hope is to no lynch and hope that scum hit each other. Then its down to luck, but certainly either scum can potentially win from there.
Doesn't work.
Assume faust is scum and the real vig claims. We lynch the real vig for some reason. We are at 6 alive.
faust will try to shoot the other scum, I assume. Other scum will shoot faust. That leaves 4 alive:
1 scum vs. 3 townies or 4 townies and we win.
Assume faust is scum and the real vig claims. We lynch faust. We are at 6 alive with 1 scum. We play the rest of the game.
Basically, a fakeclaiming scum is great for town and terrible for the fakeclaimer. That means that faust's most likely explanation for claiming is that he is the vig. We've still got two more players to wait for, though.
So instead, assume faust is the VIG and isn't counterclaimed. That leaves 7 alive with one IC.
All of town has a 2/5 chance of lynching scum, except faust, who has a 2/6 chance. Two outcomes:
We lynch scum today. We go into night with 6 alive. Assume faust dies for being a PR and an IC. Should faust shoot?
Yes: 1/5 chance of hitting scum. Hits and we win. Miss and we are at 1 vs 3 tomorrow. No lynch, 1 vs 2 LYLO.
No: 1 vs. 4 tomorrow. Gives us a second chance at a win.
So, the argument there is whether we want faust to get the extra shot at scum, or the town as a whole. (I vote town.)
Say we mislynch today. We go into night with 6 alive, 1 vs 1 vs 4. Each scum has a 1/5 chance of killing the other scum, plus there's faust out there. That gets more complicated.
Let's just lynch scum today.
It does not make a lot of sense to just consider off-wagon vs on-wagon.
You mean because it makes you look terrible?
Let's just lynch scum today.
Ummmm, Ss? Just so you know.
WW is dead. He was the doctor...
Seriously, read the flavour. :-P
Let's just lynch scum today.
I don't know, man. That seems like an awful plan.
It does not make a lot of sense to just consider off-wagon vs on-wagon.
You mean because it makes you look terrible?
I will be conf!town soon, so knock it off.
yeah, Hydrad or gkrieg sounds right.Sorry I'm being slow, but there's plenty of time. I still haven't been able to reread so will be able to comment more intelligently later.
A few relevant quotes (in timely order, first one is early day 2)Wow a flurry of votes to start the day. These are the two that catch me as scummy:First. Hi everyone!
Well back to vote: RRWelp. vote: Awaclus
No particular reason.
Yuma's vote doesn't really have much backing. I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.
Haddock's vote and reaction are scummy. Forcing back us into RVS is scummy. Even though D1 was short, it gave us a lot of information. Just looking at the wagon gives information. Mafia loves fast mislynches, so there is bound to be at least one scum on the wagon.vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
there is more, but I have a lecture comign up
gkrieg is looking horrible here, vote: gkrieg
Joseph I don't get huge town vibes from, but he's better for sure
WW not sure yet, I think he's looking bad too
I'm not vig.I'm not believing your VIG claim until everyone else has posted.faust, ss, Ash, Hydrad, haddock,
Joseph? Gkrieg?
unvote for now.I agree. Since no-one has counterclaimed, I am therefore assuming faust is vig, and thus town.
Vig should counterclaim.
So therefore the last scum would have to be Hydrad or gkrieg. I guess I can see the logic behind that, and I agree.Vote Count 2.10Roadrunner (6): yuma, ashersky, silverspawn, Haddock, Joseph, Awaclus
Haddock (3): Hydrad, gkrieg13, Witherweaver
Joseph (1): faust
ashersky (1): Roadrunner
not voting (0):
With 11 players alive, it took 6 to lynch.
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Let's see...of the three deaths, two were on wagon. The vig or SK shot Awaclus, leaving mafia killing yuma or WW.
Of the off-wagon players, we have scum!RR, "vig" faust, Hydrad, gkrieg, and doctor!WW.
So yeah, I think it's likely scum was not voting RR.
I'm not the vig!My opinion is that RR lynch was so difficult that it seems very unlikely that the last scum player was on-wagon. After all, off-wagon would have been pretty safe, if there had been 5 people equally likely to be scum. Just so happens that there's now only 2 good choices- either Hydrad or gkrieg.
And not scum!
who is scum?
uh gkrieg seems alright. it would surprise me if every scum member in the game was on RR when he was that hard to lynch.
It does not make a lot of sense to just consider off-wagon vs on-wagon.
You mean because it makes you look terrible?
I will be conf!town soon, so knock it off.
Could still be a traitor.
uh gkrieg seems alright. it would surprise me if every scum member in the game was on RR when he was that hard to lynch.
Joseph: ~30 postsI've agreed with a lot, since most of the time there's been like 100 posts since the last time I was online, and so I'm just showing which side of the argument I'm on.
Says "I agree" in a not insignificant proportion of his posts. It's probably nothing, just like I say "I mean" a lot. But it seems slightly weird to me, if I were being hyper picky I might see this as him trying to seem friendly and amiable. That's super weak I know.
His interaction with RR and Awa makes it basically inconceivable that he's a scumpartner, but there's really not much to say about him.
Scumreadwise: Null overall. But he's not the last mafia I think
Would like to get some opinions on ashersky
His interaction with RR and Awa makes it basically inconceivable that he's a scumpartner, but there's really not much to say about him.
I'm a VT
I don't think I can. I may have to retract it.His interaction with RR and Awa makes it basically inconceivable that he's a scumpartner, but there's really not much to say about him.
Could you expand on this?
too many games where scum gets lynched day 1 and wins...Faust, gkrieg, and I make a power team. (although I think WW was close to being MVP - managing to survive with a guilty result on you takes some skill, no matter the circumstances)
We make a power team in the fact that I get bussed D1 and then win!
Should have claimed masons.
That is the only time I haven't died D1 as scum...
Question: If gkrieg was scum here, would he make the following post in another thread?
If it weren't such a dangerous spot we're in I'd be pushing to policy lynch him. If silence is enough to evade a lynch all scum will do it.Question: If gkrieg was scum here, would he make the following post in another thread?
I think so, yes.
I'm less sure if he would just stop saying anything entirely in this thread, though.
His interactions with gkrieg feel partnerish, or white knightish.Not really an answer to my question, but close enough, in that you still find me scummy and I still don't really know why. The "RR never mentions me" thing is spectacularly weak, as you must know.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
I'd go Haddock > Hydrad > gkrieg13 > Joseph from RR's posts.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
I also don't see a mention of you in the reread. Did you just leave that out?
His interactions with gkrieg feel partnerish, or white knightish.Not really an answer to my question, but close enough, in that you still find me scummy and I still don't really know why. The "RR never mentions me" thing is spectacularly weak, as you must know.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
I'd go Haddock > Hydrad > gkrieg13 > Joseph from RR's posts.
But if we're going based on partner interaction, reread Awa next. His attitude to me is not partnery at all.
Ash is creeping up my scumregister. This kind of consistency is a scumtell.
Now I have no idea. That could just be annoyed!RR getting our hopes up to spite us for mislynching him. Seems a bit unlikely.
RR also talks about claiming earlier in the day, as in " I won't claim even at L-1". Why say that as a Vt?
His interactions with gkrieg feel partnerish, or white knightish.Not really an answer to my question, but close enough, in that you still find me scummy and I still don't really know why. The "RR never mentions me" thing is spectacularly weak, as you must know.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
I'd go Haddock > Hydrad > gkrieg13 > Joseph from RR's posts.
But if we're going based on partner interaction, reread Awa next. His attitude to me is not partnery at all.
Ash is creeping up my scumregister. This kind of consistency is a scumtell.
That's a "cop me I'm a godfather" line if I've ever seen one. Plus maintaining the OMGUS?
vote: Haddock
EBWOP. I don't mean RR, of course. I mean gkrieg.His interactions with gkrieg feel partnerish, or white knightish.Not really an answer to my question, but close enough, in that you still find me scummy and I still don't really know why. The "RR never mentions me" thing is spectacularly weak, as you must know.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
I'd go Haddock > Hydrad > gkrieg13 > Joseph from RR's posts.
But if we're going based on partner interaction, reread Awa next. His attitude to me is not partnery at all.
Ash is creeping up my scumregister. This kind of consistency is a scumtell.
That's a "cop me I'm a godfather" line if I've ever seen one. Plus maintaining the OMGUS?
vote: Haddock
It's nothing like that. I'm saying you can't cherrypick your data, which is what you're doing by finding me scummy based entirely on reading RR. I mean come on, you don't expect to get anything useful out of rereading someone as all over the place as RR.
Also, saying that I'm OMGUSing is severely misleading. I'm not voting you, I'm voting RR. But yes, I find your determination to find me scummy based on no good case whatsoever a bit scummy. Just not scummy enough to vote you right now.
Okay. Haddock, would you maybe like to reread ash/RR and ash/Awaclus for potential partner interactions? Others could do that too.This is a good idea. I'll get to this later on tonight/today depending on your time zone.
Voting patterns on scum point toward Haddock > gkrieg = Hydrad = Joseph.I'm calling this completely invented until you give me a scum narrative for my vote on Awa.
Voting patterns on scum point toward Haddock > gkrieg = Hydrad = Joseph.I'm calling this completely invented until you give me a scum narrative for my vote on Awa.
I can kinda see it with regards to my RR vote, but my random vote on Awa is towny in light of him being scum (Bad play from me, but towny bad play). I don't see scum drawing attention to themselves like that.
Some twilight interaction with Haddock on the "venge" thing.The twilight interaction. I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can possibly believe that that was faked. I thought he was scummy as hell and he was. I was pretty vocal about it. Why would scum want to do that IN THE TWILIGHT? There's just no need for it. Scum might point out the scumminess, but the next day, surely.
... and had odd interactions with Haddock at the end.
That and how Haddock was basically just as hard to lynch as RR on D2 makes it seems possible we actually wagoned two scum.
Some twilight interaction with Haddock on the "venge" thing.The twilight interaction. I'm sorry, but I don't see how you can possibly believe that that was faked. I thought he was scummy as hell and he was. I was pretty vocal about it. Why would scum want to do that IN THE TWILIGHT? There's just no need for it. Scum might point out the scumminess, but the next day, surely.
... and had odd interactions with Haddock at the end.
That and how Haddock was basically just as hard to lynch as RR on D2 makes it seems possible we actually wagoned two scum.
Also, I was hard to lynch for the same reason as RR; I had an experienced player (faust for RR, SS for me) with a strong townread on me. The only difference is that faust was wrong, SS is right.
It's fair to say that this is a tougher case to make than the one on Joseph, for example. Partly I am concerned because I had a scum read on you earlier in D2, but had a better case on RR so went with that, and I don't want to ignore that.Well, fair enough.
You may think I did my rereads to find you scummy, instead of finding you scummy due to rereads. I promise I did not, although you have no reason to believe me.
I agree that there's no need to rush today.It's fair to say that this is a tougher case to make than the one on Joseph, for example. Partly I am concerned because I had a scum read on you earlier in D2, but had a better case on RR so went with that, and I don't want to ignore that.Well, fair enough.
You may think I did my rereads to find you scummy, instead of finding you scummy due to rereads. I promise I did not, although you have no reason to believe me.
I still think there's a small possibility that the first is true, and that therefore this is coming from a scummy place. But it's only a small possibility.
Right now I still think gkrieg is the best lynch, but obviously there's no hurry. If we mislynch today and get unlucky with night kills we can potentially get to an unwinnable spot.
uh gkrieg seems alright. it would surprise me if every scum member in the game was on RR when he was that hard to lynch.
vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
there's also this
kind of has to be gkrieg, really
To people who know ss better than me: Would ss bus his partners?
- like/be fine to lynch
- don't like but would lynch over a no-lynch
- will oppose lynching no matter what
I don't think any of those is an accurate description. I'm almost certain RR is town, so I would rather lynch someone else, but I also think that RR is a decent lynch regardless and better than no lynch for sure.
I want to lynch Haddock.
I'm fine with lynching gkrieg.
I don't like lynching yuma, but would lynch over a no-lynch I guess.
I'm also fine with Joseph.
vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
there's also this
kind of has to be gkrieg, really
I was already voting for yuma at that point. It was a fake L-1 to attract a hammer. I wanted to see if anyone would go for the hammer.
I don't think it's ash so that leaves me Haddock/Hydrad/Joseph
I don't think it's ash so that leaves me Haddock/Hydrad/Joseph
Why do you think that?
I'm not the vig!)
And not scum!
who is scum?
uh gkrieg seems alright. it would surprise me if every scum member in the game was on RR when he was that hard to lynch.
Ashersky, we've been over this. Killing me because I'm hotheaded is not the way to go.I think he votes Ash somewhere in here.
PPE 2
Ashersky is out for my blood though, and people are just going to vote for me because they want a lynch.
...
Now we watch Yuma and Ashersky (with a dash of Awaclus) pick my post apart not cause they think it's scummy, but simply because they can and they want a lynch. And with no Iguana to blindly go after, they hit up the next animal.
Ashersky: Ashersky is like, evil. He wants my head and at any price. He's Yuma general to command the sheep, and is trying to get in the spotlight, I don't know why. Maybe he feeds on attention (like me, sort of)?
I want to hear from SS Ashersky and Yuma. I imagine they're happy that I can't talk, even when I flip town.
How about you guys ignore Ashersky's commanding voice and think for yourselves?
No hammering right now, please. First I want to know what people think: should we discuss who Faust shoots? Even if its just as simple as Faust picking a target and announcing. As far as I can tell there's nothing scum can do it stop it, it just means we get the info if he hits the SK and if the SK is bulletproof. So we may as well have the info in case its relevant.
he barely defended himself, instead pushed me for what I felt were weak points.This is a bit like what he's doing this game.
my gut agrees with it feeling too easy, but my logic does not. why would a mislynch feel easier than a real lynch? the only difference is that gkrieg would probably be on the mislynch wagon, whereas whoever the mislynch guy is might not necessarily be on the gkrieg wagon
that's not much, really.
but taking a closer look at Joseph is advisable anyway.
The easy lynch isn't always a bad one, see Edmund's lynch in M69, which was easy, because everyone thought he was scum. On the other hand, think we should evaluate all options before lynching. We've got time, might as well use it.
I will if people wait until tomorrow or Saturday.The easy lynch isn't always a bad one, see Edmund's lynch in M69, which was easy, because everyone thought he was scum. On the other hand, think we should evaluate all options before lynching. We've got time, might as well use it.
Start evaluating then!
Gkrieg: ~35 posts
I actually reread gkrieg first, and had the energy to put most of his posts into categories of some kind or another.
Of the 35 or so posts, I had
9 in "Meaningless",
2 in "Odd/Misleading questions",
3 in "Fighting the RR lynch",
5 in "Completely unexplained votes".
In terms of broader subcategories, that puts fully 2/3 of his posts in one I'd call "Generally unhelpful". When called out for this he came up with just one or two fairly weak reasons for his behaviour, none of which he'd mentioned before.
He makes several jokes about things (things that definitely are not scummy) being scummy. Strongly antitown behaviour. Then accuses Hydrad of being antitown for no reason. The irony.
Has been pretty consistent in his vote the entire game. He's only voted for me, yuma and faust. At any point. This consistency of behaviour, combined with the rest, amounts to my having a pretty darn strong scumread on gkrieg.
Oh and his wagon positioning is fairly bad as well.
I put a fake L-1 on yuma. This can hardly be looked at as scummy. I wanted to look for reactions and maybe even a fake hammer. I think my fake vote definitely created a lot of discussion and was towny. Haddock's reaction to that looked similar to his reaction to faust getting a wagon on him in GOP mafia.I'm not sure I buy the attracting-a-false-hammer thing. But in reality that L-1 thing might be one of the towniest things you have going for you; L-1 is probably the most conspicuous vote you can make, why would scum draw attention like that?
The bolded part refers to this post of yours:Quote from: HaddockGkrieg: ~35 posts
I actually reread gkrieg first, and had the energy to put most of his posts into categories of some kind or another.
Of the 35 or so posts, I had
9 in "Meaningless",
2 in "Odd/Misleading questions",
3 in "Fighting the RR lynch",
5 in "Completely unexplained votes".
In terms of broader subcategories, that puts fully 2/3 of his posts in one I'd call "Generally unhelpful". When called out for this he came up with just one or two fairly weak reasons for his behaviour, none of which he'd mentioned before.
He makes several jokes about things (things that definitely are not scummy) being scummy. Strongly antitown behaviour. Then accuses Hydrad of being antitown for no reason. The irony.
Has been pretty consistent in his vote the entire game. He's only voted for me, yuma and faust. At any point. This consistency of behaviour, combined with the rest, amounts to my having a pretty darn strong scumread on gkrieg.
Oh and his wagon positioning is fairly bad as well.
I don't understand what the bolded part means.
How have I been unhelpful? I voted Hydrad to get him participating again, I voted yuma because I think he is scummier between yuma/RR, and Haddock had a scummy moment to start the day, took some pressure and disappeared, then reappeared. I've also been sick this week so I've been doing a lot of sleeping during my usual forum time.You only make this explanation when called out.
Can you point me to the jokes that I make? I didn't see them when reading through. I don't see how making jokes is "Strongly antitown behaviour. You would have to lynch several people every game if it were.Joke may be the wrong word. They are just little side comments that push suspicion onto people for no good reason. Like this:
@Haddock: Do you have town reads on anybody?and this:
Well voting for someone should mean at least a little teensy tiny smidge that you want to lynch someone
Consistency of votes can be scummy. I honestly just haven't followed the game close enough to have better reads. Haddock lies in saying that I have only voted for him, yuma, and faust. At that point I had voted for him, yuma, faust, II, and Hydrad. I had specifically been found scummy for the Hydrad votes so I'm surprised he left those out of his reread.Hydrad I legitimately missed, and I have no idea why. That's on me, and I apologise.
I don't think my wagon positioning is bad D1. I already explained my voting D2 in this post.
Right, sorry I follow. You're talking about my supposed whiteknighting of faust in switch, right? Whelp, that wasn't whiteknighting, it was just a weird thing, my first game. I even talked about it after the game, and I think I would have done the same weird thing as town.I put a fake L-1 on yuma. This can hardly be looked at as scummy. I wanted to look for reactions and maybe even a fake hammer. I think my fake vote definitely created a lot of discussion and was towny. Haddock's reaction to that looked similar to his reaction to faust getting a wagon on him in GOP mafia....
I wasn't in GOP mafia. You might be talking about Switch except that faust died D1, and I have no memory of anything like that happening...
SS, you may have answered this question before, but I need help here; what do you think of ash?well - honestly, he's probably the SK. This game reminds me a lot of best!game!ever!silo!mafia where ash was the SK and also put a ton of effort into catching the last scum
I really am lost when it comes to reading him, and you've been around a while. Loving his rereads, but I could see scum!ash going to that sort of trouble to appear towny.
I honestly don't know at this point.
Faust doesn't want to share his reads, so I'm happy to go with you. He might be the SK, but we don't care about that right now.SS, you may have answered this question before, but I need help here; what do you think of ash?well - honestly, he's probably the SK. This game reminds me a lot of best!game!ever!silo!mafia where ash was the SK and also put a ton of effort into catching the last scum
I really am lost when it comes to reading him, and you've been around a while. Loving his rereads, but I could see scum!ash going to that sort of trouble to appear towny.
I honestly don't know at this point.
But his analysis that game was completely genuine and accurate and we caught the final scum with it, so I don't have doubts that the above rereads are similarly genuine, and hopefully accurate. both town!ash and SK!ash would be genuine here.
seeing him as the final mafia, I have a lot more problems with. Sure, this could be the one game where he decides to bus for once, but... more likely it's not. Also, I sorta feel like if ash was in the team, the mafia team would have worked out... well, better. It feels like mafia is just crashing and burning here.
all of that said, I'm not good at reading him either. I think faust might be.
I will if people wait until tomorrow or Saturday.The easy lynch isn't always a bad one, see Edmund's lynch in M69, which was easy, because everyone thought he was scum. On the other hand, think we should evaluate all options before lynching. We've got time, might as well use it.
Start evaluating then!
Finally actually free, so doing this now.I will if people wait until tomorrow or Saturday.The easy lynch isn't always a bad one, see Edmund's lynch in M69, which was easy, because everyone thought he was scum. On the other hand, think we should evaluate all options before lynching. We've got time, might as well use it.
Start evaluating then!
It is tomorrow; you are not VLA and we have waited long enough.
Vote Count 2.10Roadrunner (6): yuma, ashersky, silverspawn, Haddock, Joseph, Awaclus
Haddock (3): Hydrad, gkrieg13, Witherweaver
Joseph (1): faust
ashersky (1): Roadrunner
not voting (0):
With 11 players alive, it took 6 to lynch.
THREAD LOCKED
Let's see...of the three deaths, two were on wagon. The vig or SK shot Awaclus, leaving mafia killing yuma or WW.
Of the off-wagon players, we have scum!RR, "vig" faust, Hydrad, gkrieg, and doctor!WW.
So yeah, I think it's likely scum was not voting RR.
I agree, so finding last mafia is 1st priority, then SK after that.I'm saying the remaining mafia was off-wagon.OK, we agree. Just checking.The SK is best treated as town for scumhunting purposes, because they scumhunt just like us. Also, SK hunting is scummy.Is this an accusation?
I'm not properly hunting anyone right at this moment, rather just trying to get a feel for the shape of things. I completely agree we should get the last mafia before the SK.
His interactions with gkrieg feel partnerish, or white knightish.Not really an answer to my question, but close enough, in that you still find me scummy and I still don't really know why. The "RR never mentions me" thing is spectacularly weak, as you must know.
Haddock is literally the only player he never names, votes, or mentions. Best choice for a partner based on this re-read.
I'd go Haddock > Hydrad > gkrieg13 > Joseph from RR's posts.
But if we're going based on partner interaction, reread Awa next. His attitude to me is not partnery at all.
Ash is creeping up my scumregister. This kind of consistency is a scumtell.
That's a "cop me I'm a godfather" line if I've ever seen one. Plus maintaining the OMGUS?
vote: Haddock
Joseph: Why do you think gkrieg is scum other than the fact that he was off the RR wagon?RR wagon + Hydrad seems townier = scum!gkrieg
I don't think RR has done anything scummy yet. And people who try to lynch RR are always scum.Seems weird that he has to mention RR being not scum already.
Vote: gkriegThat was hammer, right?
3T or 4T only. 50% chance of SK.I have no idea what you're calculating here. But this is what we know.
PP guaranteed. Assuming no other PRs are hiding...
PPKTTT means SK.
Plus, 3 kills means SK. Duh.
... so it is possible the RB is gone.This point alone might make it worth it for faust to claim a target-if-he-shoots. That way we know if it was the SK.
Some kind of system would be necessary, like faust will only shoot if gkrieg is scum, or something.... so it is possible the RB is gone.This point alone might make it worth it for faust to claim a target-if-he-shoots. That way we know if it was the SK.
The mafiascum site sucks.
It says PPTTTTT would be Goon, Bus Driver, SK. Are we assuming 2-Man mafia team then? Or is the second goon just not listed?
If we have a Rolecop, given all the goons are dead, he's a full cop, btw. So results would be useful.
I want the flip, but I really want faust to come back first and tell us who (if anyone) he's going to shoot in the two possible situations, ie. gkrieg town or gkrieg scum.
I see no reason not to do it and it's potentially gamewinning...
If the RB is still in play, announcing his target would tell mafia whether or not to block. Now, he could WIFOM it, but why risk it?
(Hint: he's shooting me if he shoots.)
I have no idea how you're still alive, faust, but it's great news.
As for last PR claiming, yeah I think that's the best idea here, having two ICs sounds really good. That way if we mislynch we still definitely have an IC tomorrow.
Sadly it is only an extra IC, my PR isn't amazingly useful in this situation.
I am the Vengeful.
Interesting(TM). I am not dead for some reason.
I did not shoot ashersky, so that was the SK kill. We might want our last remaining PR to claim now. Thoughts?
Win condition: You win when all threats to the Order have been eliminated and there is at least one member of the Order of the Phoenix alive.
wat. why would the SK shoot ashI can only think he assumed that the last PR was a doctor and would protect faust. But in light of this:
he's crazy. I'd have gone after ash for the lynch.
I did a bit of PR theorizing during the night. I think the chance for a protective role was only 20%, so it is weird.That might implicate a newish player, outthinking themselves? (I make it only 10%, by the way, it's just the same as the chance of rolling a single P, which is (75-65)/100=10%...)
So, there is one setup question left that I seeHuh? I just die. I can only vengekill if I'm lynched... I'll double check my PM, but pretty sure.
Assuming...
we lynch town today (-> 4)
faust shoots town in the night (-> 3)
SK kills faust in the night (-> 2)
SK and Haddock no-lynch (-> 2)
Night 5 starts with Haddock and the SK alive. What happens?
that's the only bad news, because now my strongest town read is worthelssSadly my townread on you now disappears and must be replaced by something pretty close to null (except up to the point above about experienced players). You've been towny and scumhunting well so far, but SKs can do that too.
Huh? I just die. I can only vengekill if I'm lynched... I'll double check my PM, but pretty sure.
That might implicate a newish player, outthinking themselves? (I make it only 10%, by the way, it's just the same as the chance of rolling a single P, which is (75-65)/100=10%...)
Sadly my townread on you now disappears and must be replaced by something pretty close to null (except up to the point above about experienced players). You've been towny and scumhunting well so far, but SKs can do that too.
Confirmed.So, there is one setup question left that I seeHuh? I just die. I can only vengekill if I'm lynched... I'll double check my PM, but pretty sure.
Assuming...
we lynch town today (-> 4)
faust shoots town in the night (-> 3)
SK kills faust in the night (-> 2)
SK and Haddock no-lynch (-> 2)
Night 5 starts with Haddock and the SK alive. What happens?
Curious, is RR often scum or not?
no, that would be the absolute probability. But we already know that a letter has been rolled, so you need to compute the probability of one letter by dividing it through the sum of them all. Which in this case just means you have to double it.
Doesn't seem to be working so well....I have an idea.
Vote: Joseph
Trying to see how big of a following you actually have?
Now you jinxed it!
FWIW, current scum reads are:
RR- for all the previous things I've said
Hydrad- gut instinct + similar to M69, where Hydrad was scum
Haddock- gut instinct (not played together before)
Hammering town so early in the day seems a bit scummy to me.you're scummy because you hammered a town. that was the argument. You tried to deflect that by arguing something under the assumption that you're town. An assumption of either alignment makes any further arguments nonsensical, because arguing means saying why you think it's likely or unlikely that someone is scum, which you can't do if you're already assuming that he is or isn't.
Hammering town isn't scummy.
Right, that confuses things even more. In fact it's not even as simple as just 20% as far as I can figure.no, that would be the absolute probability. But we already know that a letter has been rolled, so you need to compute the probability of one letter by dividing it through the sum of them all. Which in this case just means you have to double it.
this might be unclear. what I mean by 'a letter' is 'a letter other than T' and what I mean by 'them all' is 'the sum of the probabilities of all letters that are not T'. Which is 50%, so you double it.
Ok, so the sheer surprise of this has changed me back from werewolf form (even though its twilight, that makes sense). Seriously, I had time for one random joke vote today, and there's already a lynch? Weird.I agree, just got back in and can't believe the hammer has already happened, and about 10 hours ago! Crazy!I agree, scum has no actual benefit in telling the truth. Hope he is lying.It would have been so much cooler if he was scum.
So you already know he's not? Interesting.
He said VT. Why lie?
Lying can be beneficial for scum, especially since longtwilight is long. If he's town, then obviously he wouldn't lie.
Right, that confuses things even more. In fact it's not even as simple as just 20% as far as I can figure.no, that would be the absolute probability. But we already know that a letter has been rolled, so you need to compute the probability of one letter by dividing it through the sum of them all. Which in this case just means you have to double it.
this might be unclear. what I mean by 'a letter' is 'a letter other than T' and what I mean by 'them all' is 'the sum of the probabilities of all letters that are not T'. Which is 50%, so you double it.
To simplify it, imagine that you roll two 5-sided die. Given that you know you have rolled at least one 5, the chances of having rolled 2 5s are in fact 1/9 rather than 1/5.
(The probability of at least 1 5 is 1/5+(4/5*1/5) = 9/25, and there is a 1/25 chance of 2 5s, so the probability of 2 given at least 1 is (1/25)/(9.25)=1/9).
I think the chance of a third P given that we had 2 is by similar reasoning about 1/13=7.7%. This might still be wrong though, I'm not sure if the fact that there are in fact 7 letters affects anything. I think it doesn't, but it's actually not a an easy exercise of probability. I'm working on it, my probability is rusty.
Don't be too townie, don't be too scummy.
We've been over this. I'm a very defensive player.So was/am I as scum. I'm sorry, it's just the thing I'm seeing more and more is that this defensiveness seems very like scum!me.
Accidental post...finishing here...I kind of agree, ss is one of the players who most likes flavour, so seems surprising that he "didn't read it".
Anyone else think it is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY that SILVERSPAWN of all players on this forum would skip the flavor? He's the most flavor-caring guy in the game. He cares so much about stuff he doesn't like people posting in the thread after the game is over because he finds it rude. He finds the flavor of games to be incredibly important to the games themselves.
And he says he didn't read it?
That was a fake "huh no kill" towncred grab if I've ever seen one.
No, it's really simple.My instinct says the same, but the maths says that the ordering of stuff matters. My probability tree that I do above is pretty hard to argue with. Maybe I'm going crazy, it's late, I'm going to bed. This isn't the important discussion anyway.
We know that there is a power role. That is a number between 51 and 100.
The chance that this number is between 66-75 is 10 / 50 = 20%.
That's it.
I'm also getting a feeling that Haddock isn't just VT- there's just something about his posts that makes me think he has extra information. That would lean me towards him maybe being SK (there's not a 2nd vig, right?)
At work but just wanted to say hi! Let's lynch joeseph/silver and Faust shoots the other! I've solved the game. Your welcome
Also silver I don't know if it's just me but sometimes when I read your posts I think like oh ya if we follow this we have an easy win. And then I remember that I don't know if you yourself are town or not
Voting patterns on scum point toward Haddock > gkrieg = Hydrad = Joseph.
So I'm voting for a claimed JK, that seems bad so Unvote. If he's lying, we can just kill him another day.
Realistically, the only 2 people getting lynched here are RR and Haddock, and I strongly prefer the RR lynch. So, Vote: RR. This is L-1.
PPE:3
vote: yuma
L-1 I believe
don't really want to lynch RR but would over a no lynch.
Don't want to do yuma even more... If he really was the 100% only chance I guess I would still lynch him. But I wouldn't be happy.
gkreig and Haddock I'm ok with a lynch.
I have sort of an idea. Hydrad, Joseph, whom would you have killed last night if you were the SK?
Pretty sure I do understand probability, I have a Masters degree in Mathematics...Curious, is RR often scum or not?
ah. problem solved. Joseph clearly doesn't understand probability. he must be the SK
Yep, it's conditional probability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability).Right, that confuses things even more. In fact it's not even as simple as just 20% as far as I can figure.no, that would be the absolute probability. But we already know that a letter has been rolled, so you need to compute the probability of one letter by dividing it through the sum of them all. Which in this case just means you have to double it.
this might be unclear. what I mean by 'a letter' is 'a letter other than T' and what I mean by 'them all' is 'the sum of the probabilities of all letters that are not T'. Which is 50%, so you double it.
To simplify it, imagine that you roll two 5-sided die. Given that you know you have rolled at least one 5, the chances of having rolled 2 5s are in fact 1/9 rather than 1/5.
(The probability of at least 1 5 is 1/5+(4/5*1/5) = 9/25, and there is a 1/25 chance of 2 5s, so the probability of 2 given at least 1 is (1/25)/(9.25)=1/9).
I think the chance of a third P given that we had 2 is by similar reasoning about 1/13=7.7%. This might still be wrong though, I'm not sure if the fact that there are in fact 7 letters affects anything. I think it doesn't, but it's actually not a an easy exercise of probability. I'm working on it, my probability is rusty.
No, it's really simple.
We know that there is a power role. That is a number between 51 and 100.
The chance that this number is between 66-75 is 10 / 50 = 20%.
That's it.
At work but just wanted to say hi! Let's lynch joeseph/silver and Faust shoots the other! I've solved the game. Your welcomeHow about we lynch Hydrad/silver, and faust shoots the other, then we win.
I have sort of an idea. Hydrad, Joseph, whom would you have killed last night if you were the SK?If i was the SK, then faust, as he was an IC with the power to potentially kill me.
Pretty sure I do understand probability, I have a Masters degree in Mathematics...OK, so I do as well, and this problem is annoying me.
Yep, it's conditional probability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability).Yes, I know what conditional probability is. My argument is based on conditional probability. To make my point, let's toymodel this. Simplify it. Let's say there's a 1/3 chance of a T, 1/3 of a P, and 1/3 of some other power role (say K). Suppose that there are only 3 letters rolled as well, and we know that we have rolled them all to be Ps or Ks. Then for each one a P or a K is equally likely.
Pretty sure I do understand probability, I have a Masters degree in Mathematics...Curious, is RR often scum or not?
ah. problem solved. Joseph clearly doesn't understand probability. he must be the SK
The 8 equally likely possibilities are:
PPP, PPK, PKP, KPP, KKP, KPK, PKK, KKK.
Of those, exactly 4 have at least 2 Ps. Only 1 has 3 Ps. So P(3 Ps|at least 2 Ps)=1/4.
Can you guys cut irrelevant probablity discussion until after the game? It clutters the thread. Thanks.Sorry yes I will stop after this final comment:
And instead of helping, Hydrad sits on the second-towniest person. How scummy!Not sure about tone here, this might be a joke.
SS, you may have already done so, but can you answer your own question? Who would you have shot?I'll bring this out to make sure you don't miss the question, ss, it is kinda buried in that post.
SS, you may have already done so, but can you answer your own question? Who would you have shot?
Not sure about tone here, this might be a joke.It was mostly a joke.
But disagreeing with you that I was towny is not scummy in this game.
silverspawn, Joseph and Hydrad: Before you read any further, answer the following question: If you were the SK, which power would you have chosen N0 - 1-shot Bulletproof or Ninja/Strongman Kills? Please give your reasoning.
Okay, so I'm pretty sure the SK chose Bulletproof. I am not sure what this means regarding the answers you gyus gave.I would agree with this. Would the SK instinctively lie about this? Maybe...
Okay, so I'm pretty sure the SK chose Bulletproof. I am not sure what this means regarding the answers you gyus gave.
Okay, so I'm pretty sure the SK chose Bulletproof. I am not sure what this means regarding the answers you gyus gave.
well, it means it's not me, for once
how do you know?
My gut says it's Hydrad. I would like everyone on our suspect list to make a case for why we should not lynch you.
- I'm VTSo you say.
- I would have picked Strongman/Ninja, and then definitely would have killed faust (why let an IC that can nighkill me survive?!)So you say.
- Hydrad said he'd want BP, which is weird- my choice of Strongman/Ninja seems to have been accepted as the "normal"/obvious choiceI did not ask for a case for why Hydrad is scummy.
- I only just found out what Ninja actually does, and also only just realised the SK had extra powersSo you say.
- If I was SK, I'd probably be dead by now- I don't survive long in games as scum, so the same would probably be true as SKSK # mafia.
- I'm townSo you say.
I do have a preference of Joseph over Hydrad though. I think we still treat this like a democratic decision rather than let the IC's decide?
silver's case is not a lot better by the way, but he at least managed to include one piece of evidence.
please don't use of instead of have. it hurts me everytime someone does it.
OK, so here's my question.Anyone? I'm happy for anyone playing to answer this question, but EFHW, if it's a question you feel comfortable answering then that would be nice too. :)
Would a 1-shot BP know if they were shot?
In any game I've seen, a BP player isn't aware that they've been shot.OK, so here's my question.Anyone? I'm happy for anyone playing to answer this question, but EFHW, if it's a question you feel comfortable answering then that would be nice too. :)
Would a 1-shot BP know if they were shot?
That is not a question I can answer here.Why not?
In any game I've seen, a BP player isn't aware that they've been shot.Let's work under this assumption. Then that's fairly strong evidence that the SK is BP, because they reckon they're safe from one shot worth of vigging, hence not killing faust.
In any game I've seen, a BP player isn't aware that they've been shot.Let's work under this assumption. Then that's fairly strong evidence that the SK is BP, because they reckon they're safe from one shot worth of vigging, hence not killing faust.
On the other hand, the fact of an ash kill implicates ss a bit, I can see him shooting ash to try to push suspicion onto the less experienced players, ie. me and Joseph.
Whelp, I think there's not much more to be said at this point.
I'm pretty convinced that ss is town here. One of the biggest points he has going for him is his persistent and vocal townread on me. I just don't think an SK wants to have such strong public townreads, they know it might box them into a corner later. (OK so IG was the SK in Switch and had a bit of a townread on me, but different circumstances. I was scum then.)
If SS is the SK then he's played a truly superb game, gg.
So, my thinking? Let's just lynch Hydrad and Joseph, one after the other. Order doesn't really matter at this point.
So, my thinking? Let's just lynch Hydrad and Joseph, one after the other. Order doesn't really matter at this point.
Well yes, you would say that. Man, ss, you're scary. Faust, you're right, I won't give in this easy. Reread will happen soon. 5 days left, right?So, my thinking? Let's just lynch Hydrad and Joseph, one after the other. Order doesn't really matter at this point.
that is an amazing plan. 0% chance for a scum win!
... you have no reason to be scared of me :( ...Well yes, you would say that. Man, ss, you're scary. Faust, you're right, I won't give in this easy. Reread will happen soon. 5 days left, right?So, my thinking? Let's just lynch Hydrad and Joseph, one after the other. Order doesn't really matter at this point.
that is an amazing plan. 0% chance for a scum win!
Or not.So, my thinking? Let's just lynch Hydrad and Joseph, one after the other. Order doesn't really matter at this point.
that is an amazing plan. 0% chance for a scum win!
50% chance of scum win, depending on if ss or Hydrad is SKOr not.So, my thinking? Let's just lynch Hydrad and Joseph, one after the other. Order doesn't really matter at this point.
that is an amazing plan. 0% chance for a scum win!
well in that case i really hope it is joesph. otherwise we lose.
But i agree with faust here on his read. SS really doesn't look like the SK. If I was in your guys shoes I'd also probably vig me over SS.
anyways can I vote now?
nice! vote: JosephYou should kill Hydrad instead.
I will not shoot tonight by the way. That's because of the 1-shot BP; if I hit the SK, they might survive. If I don't, we lose. It's a high risk-low reward situation. You will have to figure things out without me.
Ok I'm fine with this.
I think I marginally preferred Joseph over hydrad. Never did get round to properly rereading ss, but I trust you faust.
Please be a good flip!
Eh. If Joseph is not the SK, you should absolutely look at silver yourself. He's townier than the others, but he's also more capable of appearing townie I think. But Joseph's play has been so anti-town that he had to be lynched.Yep I will be rereading ss definitely. I was going to get there eventually anyway.
I have hope still then if SS is SK!
I have hope still then if SS is SK!
if Joseph is not the SK then it's you. stop acting so innocent.
I have hope still then if SS is SK!Apparently I miscounted the first time and have already been hammered.
Joesph come back and tell me if you were SK or not... I'm impatient.
I have hope still then if SS is SK!
if Joseph is not the SK then it's you. stop acting so innocent.
ah but you see I am innocent because I'm not the SK. so if you aren't either then we don't even need to battle yet since Joesph is the SK!
or should I say 'felt' since that was a confession? I think?Yeah I dont know, was it?
I have hope still then if SS is SK!
if Joseph is not the SK then it's you. stop acting so innocent.
ah but you see I am innocent because I'm not the SK. so if you aren't either then we don't even need to battle yet since Joesph is the SK!
he probably is, otherwise I think he would talk more.
but still. it feels like you want to set up my mislynch tomorrow.
Flippity Flippity.I feel like I wasn't clear enough before.
Epic. Yeah we were'nt entirely sure. Thanks for clarifying.Flippity Flippity.I feel like I wasn't clear enough before.
I'm the SK.
Also, I knew I was behind in the game, so was relying on some faust miskills to give me a chance.Epic. Yeah we were'nt entirely sure. Thanks for clarifying.Flippity Flippity.I feel like I wasn't clear enough before.
I'm the SK.
Sincerely, well played, I think if we hadnt been lucky enought to clear out the mafia early we might have struggled.
Well, there was really no reason for me to shoot after the mafia was gone.Also, I knew I was behind in the game, so was relying on some faust miskills to give me a chance.Epic. Yeah we were'nt entirely sure. Thanks for clarifying.Flippity Flippity.I feel like I wasn't clear enough before.
I'm the SK.
Sincerely, well played, I think if we hadnt been lucky enought to clear out the mafia early we might have struggled.
No spoilers! Let EFHW do it.
Yeah that was a tough game for you guys, I feel like after one good lynch happened it basically snowballed.
Fwiw, I think mvp candidates here are yuma, ss and faust. But I wanna go through and look at everyone's reads to see their quality, id be really interested to know how on point various people were.
I mean N1, of course. Fairly unlikely, I'll admit.
Speaking of which, ss Joseph and I should conclude this probability discussion.
At this point I'm entirely sure that I'm right, but want to convince you. I might have to dedicate a thread to it tomorrow.
Right now, bed.
If the above doesn't convince you, I'd say go for it and open a thread. But I think it will if you think deeply about it.Dude. I hate to do this. But im reading for a PhD in mathematics. I assure that my argument is entirely correct.
MVP shared between yuma and faust. yuma for sticking to his guns about Roadrunner. He also jk'd gkrieg N2, though the strongman was stronger. faust for shooting Awaclus and doing the work to find Joseph. Between them they found all four scum!
MVP shared between yuma and faust. yuma for sticking to his guns about Roadrunner. He also jk'd gkrieg N2, though the strongman was stronger. faust for shooting Awaclus and doing the work to find Joseph. Between them they found all four scum!
Wait, Strongman got through JK and Doctor?
MVP shared between yuma and faust. yuma for sticking to his guns about Roadrunner. He also jk'd gkrieg N2, though the strongman was stronger. faust for shooting Awaclus and doing the work to find Joseph. Between them they found all four scum!
Wait, Strongman got through JK and Doctor?
yes, I went over it many times and the wiki clearly said the strongman evaded doctors (plural) and jailkeepers (plural). For jailkeeping it said specifically that it protected from one nk attempt only, but there was nothing like that limiting strongman's powers.
unfortunately, the people I would normally consult were all playing!MVP shared between yuma and faust. yuma for sticking to his guns about Roadrunner. He also jk'd gkrieg N2, though the strongman was stronger. faust for shooting Awaclus and doing the work to find Joseph. Between them they found all four scum!
Wait, Strongman got through JK and Doctor?
yes, I went over it many times and the wiki clearly said the strongman evaded doctors (plural) and jailkeepers (plural). For jailkeeping it said specifically that it protected from one nk attempt only, but there was nothing like that limiting strongman's powers.
Ah; we usually treat it differently here.. basically goes through one "layer" of protection. But it's up to mod. We've discussed it in the thread about standardizing.
If the above doesn't convince you, I'd say go for it and open a thread. But I think it will if you think deeply about it.Dude. I hate to do this. But im reading for a PhD in mathematics. I assure that my argument is entirely correct.
The problem with yours is that you are asking the question:
"if 9 coins have been flipped as heads, what is the probability that the 10th one is also a head."
The answer to that is 50:50.
But thats a completely different question to
"I flip ten coins, and tell you that at least 9 of them were heads. What is the probability that all ten were?
Your idea that Hthhhhh is more likely than hhhhhhh is not correct, their absolute probability is the same.
I will start a new thread tomorrow with a combinatorial proof that the answer is 2/23, as well as C# code for the simulation I did.
If youre interested, the way I did the simulation was to get a pc to list all the possibilities, weighted accordingly, then count:
a=(weighted) number of situations with exactly 3Ts, 3Ps and 1K.
b=(weighted) number of situations with exactly 3Ts, 2 or more Ps and 1 or more K.
Then the answer is just a/b.
You are MVP in our hearts, ss! :)
:(
MVP shared between yuma and faust. yuma for sticking to his guns about Roadrunner. He also jk'd gkrieg N2, though the strongman was stronger. faust for shooting Awaclus and doing the work to find Joseph. Between them they found all four scum!
Wait, Strongman got through JK and Doctor?
yes, I went over it many times and the wiki clearly said the strongman evaded doctors (plural) and jailkeepers (plural). For jailkeeping it said specifically that it protected from one nk attempt only, but there was nothing like that limiting strongman's powers.
Oh, well. All's well that ends well. But I wish I could have lived longer. Although, who knows what would have happened. I could have very easily seen me trying to push a mislynch through on faust--who wouldn't have been confirmed as a vig as a vig's existance wouldn't have been confirmed if I had died--instead of gkrieg and who knows what would have happened after that? So, I am not too disappointed.This is true, your death helped us enormously in figuring out the setup. Sad but true. I think we still would have done OK, having the extra protection would also have meant more shots at goal at the end.
That was the best and worst scum gave I ever had.
But man, I am bad scum. I like being town more as well.
GG everyone, thanks for the flavor EFHW
And ash! I saved you from dying Night1 from faust's vig! You owe me!
He explains that in his QT. It sorta makes sense. He's gambling, basically. Relying on a misshot from faust to save the game. I think that's a mistake, we were never going to have faust shoot that night I don't think.
He explains that in his QT. It sorta makes sense. He's gambling, basically. Relying on a misshot from faust to save the game. I think that's a mistake, we were never going to have faust shoot that night I don't think.
I don't quite get how a miskill by me is any more likely than a mislynch by the town, and both of these yield the same results for Joseph.
MVP shared between yuma and faust. yuma for sticking to his guns about Roadrunner. He also jk'd gkrieg N2, though the strongman was stronger. faust for shooting Awaclus and doing the work to find Joseph. Between them they found all four scum!
Wait, Strongman got through JK and Doctor?
yes, I went over it many times and the wiki clearly said the strongman evaded doctors (plural) and jailkeepers (plural). For jailkeeping it said specifically that it protected from one nk attempt only, but there was nothing like that limiting strongman's powers.
For real?
Oh, well. All's well that ends well. But I wish I could have lived longer. Although, who knows what would have happened. I could have very easily seen me trying to push a mislynch through on faust--who wouldn't have been confirmed as a vig as a vig's existance wouldn't have been confirmed if I had died--instead of gkrieg and who knows what would have happened after that? So, I am not too disappointed.
He explains that in his QT. It sorta makes sense. He's gambling, basically. Relying on a misshot from faust to save the game. I think that's a mistake, we were never going to have faust shoot that night I don't think.
I don't quite get how a miskill by me is any more likely than a mislynch by the town, and both of these yield the same results for Joseph.
Yeah that was a tough game for you guys, I feel like after one good lynch happened it basically snowballed.
Fwiw, I think mvp candidates here are yuma, ss and faust. But I wanna go through and look at everyone's reads to see their quality, id be really interested to know how on point various people were.
During my reread, I noticed that silver's reads were pretty much spot on the whole game. I think that plus the fact that he believably presented himself as town in the end earn him the MVP. Though yuma gets an honorable mention for preventing two town deaths with a single night action.
Saw this too late. silver would also have been a good choice for MVP. Not fair, you didn't have a PR to make your reads happen.
Saw this too late. silver would also have been a good choice for MVP. Not fair, you didn't have a PR to make your reads happen.
Yeah, I honestly think it should be me, too. yuma had accurate targets, I had accurate reads, but I also managed to avoid lynches until the end.
You could still change it - I think you need to decide on one anyway? Are split mvp's a thing? ash?
I think it should be me, anyway. ;)Sorry, but if you'd had your way I would have been lynched and probably would have vengekilled you. :P Not ideal.
I don't know, my game was pretty spot on. I mean, had scum not killed me they might have killed one of you guys. Which might have changed everything. Being the first NK really set town up for success.
MVP performance in my opinion
Well, I am happy to offer up my MVP to someone else (is that even a thing?) I was horribly wrong on RR and that could easily have meant that I would be mislynched if night actions didn't work out so nicely, which would have been a huge blow to the town.
vote: ss
Should only players vote? I read bits of this. Town was quite good!go ahead