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[ashersky]

is it weird that Eevee is defending Ash's claim and Ash is nowhere to be seen?

No, in that ash is on Australian time and almost certainly asleep right now.

Awake, caught up.  This post stuck out as the scummiest so far this game.

Why?  Well, let's timeline Volt.

1--expresses scum read, strong enough to vote, no reasoning given.
2--states will explain in due time.  (note: doesn't)
3--claims he didn't realize I had VTed myself.
4--hedges on me.
5--this post, defending me.

It reads like warning off a scum partner from a faulty line of thinking.   If I was going to call the team, there it is.  (Note: too early to call teams, not too early to add to ok to lynch list.). Plus, strong scum read for no reason dissolving into defense?  Not town!volt.

[ashersky]

More on me: the great thing about being me is that scum is forced to take a stance early on me.  They basically need to decide to try to mislynch me or defend me for "I told you so" town cred.

Jotheonah is in the former; eevee could be in the latter (although, for the record, town read on eevee at this point).

[Eevee]

Voltaire can be so useful if he is town, but I might support lynching him today. Ash rises some reasonable points.

Why did you initially vote for ash, Voltaire?

[jotheonah]

is it weird that Eevee is defending Ash's claim and Ash is nowhere to be seen?

No, in that ash is on Australian time and almost certainly asleep right now.

Awake, caught up.  This post stuck out as the scummiest so far this game.

Why?  Well, let's timeline Volt.

1--expresses scum read, strong enough to vote, no reasoning given.
2--states will explain in due time.  (note: doesn't)
3--claims he didn't realize I had VTed myself.
4--hedges on me.
5--this post, defending me.

It reads like warning off a scum partner from a faulty line of thinking.   If I was going to call the team, there it is.  (Note: too early to call teams, not too early to add to ok to lynch list.). Plus, strong scum read for no reason dissolving into defense?  Not town!volt.

you are reading an awful lot into that. I was asking whether you were lurking (essentially). Volt was reminding me of your RL time zone.

Really ridiculous leap to some kind of scum secret code.

[Voltaire]

I'm not defending you. I'm pointing out why a line of thinking is flawed.

That Eevee seems to be the only one defending you (unless I've missed something) is worth noting.

[Voltaire]

Voltaire can be so useful if he is town, but I might support lynching him today. Ash rises some reasonable points.

Why did you initially vote for ash, Voltaire?

All I was doing was pointing out that of course ash isn't posting lately, he's in a different time zone. Sure enough, he started posting in the mid-afternoon my time (which is something I have learned about ash's posting habits).

I initially voted because I think ash is scum. Then I thought about it, got nervous, realized my initial thinking was correct, then panicked when the wagon got to L-1.

[Eevee]

I wouldn't say it's secret code, more like possibly scum forcing themselves to look at all issues from both sides, wanting to appear fair so much they are first to remind themselves and others about things like that.

[jotheonah]

how's the weather in crazy paranoia land?

[Voltaire]

I wouldn't say it's secret code, more like possibly scum forcing themselves to look at all issues from both sides, wanting to appear fair so much they are first to remind themselves and others about things like that.

I honestly cannot follow what you are saying.

[Voltaire]

I wouldn't say it's secret code, more like possibly scum forcing themselves to look at all issues from both sides, wanting to appear fair so much they are first to remind themselves and others about things like that.

I honestly cannot follow what you are saying.

Oh, missed the bottom of joth's post.

[Eevee]

how's the weather in crazy paranoia land?

I maintain if we just lynch the first person who makes a mistake / does something antitown without trying to press for different things, we'll end up with day 1 town lynches disproportionately high percentage of the time. In my opinion you have got to hunt for more subtle things, however paranoid it might seem.

Worst case scenario, you create useful interactions.

[xeiron]

More on me: the great thing about being me is that scum is forced to take a stance early on me.  They basically need to decide to try to mislynch me or defend me for "I told you so" town cred.

Jotheonah is in the former; eevee could be in the latter (although, for the record, town read on eevee at this point).

Ash has a point here.

vote: Eevee for defending Ash.
The idea is that !scum Eevee would know Ashersky is town (assuming thay are not partners), and it would be easier to (correctly) read Asherskys claim as a townclaim.

[jotheonah]

I like this, actually. Town buddying is a classic fuzzy tactic, IIRC from before my hiatus.

But I'm apt to leave my vote where it is right now, because Eevee's PR, if town, could be anything, whereas Ash's PR, if town, is admittedly negative utility. Being as it's day 1, I'd rather champion the low-risk lynch.

[Eevee]

I like this, actually. Town buddying is a classic fuzzy tactic, IIRC from before my hiatus.

But I'm apt to leave my vote where it is right now, because Eevee's PR, if town, could be anything, whereas Ash's PR, if town, is admittedly negative utility. Being as it's day 1, I'd rather champion the low-risk lynch.

So you think I'm scummy for defending town ash or ash is just scum? This is not taking a great turn from my perspective..

Fwiw both are reasonable narratives, but I'm hoping you'll have more faith in yourself and come up
with something better!

[ashersky]

I like this, actually. Town buddying is a classic fuzzy tactic, IIRC from before my hiatus.

But I'm apt to leave my vote where it is right now, because Eevee's PR, if town, could be anything, whereas Ash's PR, if town, is admittedly negative utility. Being as it's day 1, I'd rather champion the low-risk lynch.

Why would you champion a mislynch on purpose, though?  Wouldn't you prefer to look for scum?

I mean, if I'm lynched, it's definitely okay for town, as far as relative powers go.  I'm not so okay with it though, given I'm town, and I really don't want to be out of my only game so fast.

Has everyone posted that's in this game?

[ashersky]

Vote Count

ashersky (2): Archetype, joth
Voltaire (1): ashersky
Archetype (1): Eevee
Eevee (1): xeiron

Not Voting (4): faust, Walrus, EFHW, Voltaire

Up to date, as I assume yuma is on shift.

[ashersky]

how's the weather in crazy paranoia land?

I maintain if we just lynch the first person who makes a mistake / does something antitown without trying to press for different things, we'll end up with day 1 town lynches disproportionately high percentage of the time. In my opinion you have got to hunt for more subtle things, however paranoid it might seem.

Worst case scenario, you create useful interactions.

I promise you, I neither made a mistake nor did something antitown.

[Voltaire]

More certain ash is scum. Unfortunately the reasons relate to an ongoing game.

[ashersky]

Voltaire can be so useful if he is town, but I might support lynching him today. Ash rises some reasonable points.

Why did you initially vote for ash, Voltaire?

All I was doing was pointing out that of course ash isn't posting lately, he's in a different time zone. Sure enough, he started posting in the mid-afternoon my time (which is something I have learned about ash's posting habits).

I initially voted because I think ash is scum. Then I thought about it, got nervous, realized my initial thinking was correct, then panicked when the wagon got to L-1.

Dude, this still isn't an answer to your cryptic vote from the beginning.  "I think ash is scum" isn't a reason, it's an opinion.  What's the reason you think I'm scum?  That's what we all want to hear.

[ashersky]

I'm not defending you. I'm pointing out why a line of thinking is flawed.

At least I have a line of thinking that you can point to.  You've STILL not given us your line of thinking at all.

[Voltaire]

You are correct, I have not.

[ashersky]

You are correct, I have not.

Now THAT is anti-town.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.2

ashersky (2): Archetype, jotheonah
Voltaire (1): ashersky
Archetype (1): Eevee
Eevee (1): xeiron

Not Voting (4): Walrus, EFHW, faust, Voltaire

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day1 is 8 days. Day1 will end on Tuesday February 4 at 7:30 pm forum time.

[EFHW]

I was never on the ashersky-wagon.

In fact my second post of the game was telling how I got a town read on him.

ok, I misread your post AGAIN.  Sorry, forget I said anything  ....

[EFHW]

gotta go again - I'll be back tonight.  Before I forget, though, Friday afternoon won't work for me.  I won't be available for more than a few minutes at a time that day until after 5.