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[Insomniac]

Guaranteed Town Win:

Robz Votes All: Unvotes Insom
Galz Votes All: Unvotes Insom
Eevee Votes All: Unvotes Insom
Joth Votes All: Unvotes Insom
MCMC Votes All Hammering everyone who isn't me. The mafia attempt to vengekill mcmc but he's already dead.

[Galzria]

@Ash what happens if 4 people are at l-1 and I hammer all 4 with a "Vote: All"

They would all die.  If there were mafia among the 4, you would also die.

Also, I think that breaks the point of the game, so that's lame.

Am I correct in my understanding that if all non me people were at l-1 and I hammered everyone town wins before I get vengekilled?

Insomniac, here's what you need to do. You need to pick someone who you don't think is mafia. That's it: just find one person who isn't mafia. We'll call him Player X. Then, order everyone else to vote everyone EXCEPT you and Player X. Then, Player X hammers everyone except you and himself. The mafia vengekill Player X, you are the only person alive, and town wins. If Player X is town.

General theory, yes. BUT, lynch point is only FIVE. So if Insomniac said "I want everybody at L-1 except player X" -that would mean 4 people have done "vote-all, unvote-Insomniac".

At that point if there is even a single scum not voting he can cherry pick who to lynch and win instantly for scum.

[Insomniac]

@Ash what happens if 4 people are at l-1 and I hammer all 4 with a "Vote: All"

They would all die.  If there were mafia among the 4, you would also die.

Also, I think that breaks the point of the game, so that's lame.

Am I correct in my understanding that if all non me people were at l-1 and I hammered everyone town wins before I get vengekilled?

Insomniac, here's what you need to do. You need to pick someone who you don't think is mafia. That's it: just find one person who isn't mafia. We'll call him Player X. Then, order everyone else to vote everyone EXCEPT you and Player X. Then, Player X hammers everyone except you and himself. The mafia vengekill Player X, you are the only person alive, and town wins. If Player X is town.

General theory, yes. BUT, lynch point is only FIVE. So if Insomniac said "I want everybody at L-1 except player X" -that would mean 4 people have done "vote-all, unvote-Insomniac".

At that point if there is even a single scum not voting he can cherry pick who to lynch and win instantly for scum.

False he can lynch 2 of those players

if his post is

"Vote X, Vote Y, Vote Z"   X and Y get hammered Z lives.

[ashersky]

Mods are talking.  Locked for a minute.

[ashersky]

A buzzer goes off in the control room.  A light flashes.

Sir, the humans...they've evolved!  What do we do?

Ensign, I don't know!  The crowds, they are restless on the screens.  Call...the Commander.

But...the commander?

Yes, damn it.  They don't call him Ozle, Destroyer of Worlds for nothing!

The captain's body freezes while the message comes in from the homeworld.

I know what to do.

Vote: all is disallowed as a command.  Multiple votes may be cast in a post, and will be counted from top to bottom or left to right.  Once a hammer vote is counted, all votes following it, even in the same post, will not count.  unvote: all is still a valid command.

[ashersky]

Thread unlocked.  Thanks for catching the game-breaking oversight in the first 5 posts.

[Insomniac]

Alright back to business as usual

[mcmcsalot]

most exciting start to a mafia game iv'e been in so far

[Insomniac]

So, conflicting. On the other hand I feel like trying to feel it out and being careful with my votes given it's a new setup. On the other hand, no games never get anywhere unless people actually commit to voting for the people they find scummy, so eh. But, the first half of day 1 should run pretty close to how it normally would, except no "lock" situation will ever be reached which never was an issue in blitz in the first place.

I would like EVERYONE to comment on this post and how it reflects on Eevee.

[mcmcsalot]

This seems like innocent eevee trying to figure out the setup, and being posotive about it, I got me some towny feels goin on over here.

[Insomniac]

Additionally I would like everyone to weigh in on how Robz/Mcmc/Galz all reacted to the theory that gave town a guaranteed win.

[Robz888]

So, conflicting. On the other hand I feel like trying to feel it out and being careful with my votes given it's a new setup. On the other hand, no games never get anywhere unless people actually commit to voting for the people they find scummy, so eh. But, the first half of day 1 should run pretty close to how it normally would, except no "lock" situation will ever be reached which never was an issue in blitz in the first place.

I would like EVERYONE to comment on this post and how it reflects on Eevee.

Pretty typical Eevee. I don't get much out of it at all though, really.

[jotheonah]

lol at ashersky's awesome game being awesomely solvable.

But nice fix, also.

So, basically I am going to be a pretty horrible blitz player. But I'm off work in 15 minutes and then home in an hour after that and then I can start participating.

[Robz888]

Additionally I would like everyone to weigh in on how Robz/Mcmc/Galz all reacted to the theory that gave town a guaranteed win.

I think all three of us reacted the only "safe" way to react... exploit the situation for maximum breaking easiness of town victory.

[Galzria]

So, conflicting. On the other hand I feel like trying to feel it out and being careful with my votes given it's a new setup. On the other hand, no games never get anywhere unless people actually commit to voting for the people they find scummy, so eh. But, the first half of day 1 should run pretty close to how it normally would, except no "lock" situation will ever be reached which never was an issue in blitz in the first place.

I would like EVERYONE to comment on this post and how it reflects on Eevee.

I remember way back in blitz whatever, Eevee wanted to play "Sheep the IC", and even though almost every single person in the game disagreed with him, he absolutely would not back down over why it was a good idea. He was, of course, town.

Town!Eevee comes into new setups looking for the optimal play. If he thinks he's found it, he'll pursue it relentlessly. He has complete conviction in his ideas, regardless of what others think.

Here I get more of a sense that he was testing the waters, trying to see where people stand on how to use their votes. This slightly hedgy "maybe this way... But then maybe this way..." Eevee doesn't read as the same Eevee that takes his convictions and runs with them.

So I get a slight - SLIGHT - scum vibe from it. Because honestly at the end of the day this could just as easily be Town!Eevee just being uncomfortable with a new setup. In the end, it's not worth a vote over, but it does make me more aware of him.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.1:

Robz888 (0) -
Eevee (0) -
Galzria (0) -
Insomniac (0) -
jotheonah (0) -
Jimmmmm (0) -
TheMunch (0) -
Cuzz (0) -
mcmcsalot (0) -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends on Tuesday, January 15 at 4:30 p.m. forum time.

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 1.2:

Robz888 (0) -
Eevee (0) -
Galzria (0) -
Insomniac (0) -
jotheonah (0) -
Jimmmmm (0) -
TheMunch (0) -
Cuzz (0) -
mcmcsalot (0) -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends on Tuesday, January 15 at 4:30 p.m. forum time.

I admit this is totally superfluous and is really just a tag. 

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 1.2:

Robz888 (0) -
Eevee (0) -
Galzria (0) -
Insomniac (0) -
jotheonah (0) -
Jimmmmm (0) -
TheMunch (0) -
Cuzz (0) -
mcmcsalot (0) -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends on Tuesday, January 15 at 4:30 p.m. forum time.

I admit this is totally superfluous and is really just a tag. 

Vote: Jorbles

[mcmcsalot]

The only thing I gleam from robz an galz post is robz didn't suggest he stay alive, he suggested insom pick the person he trusted most. Seems like a really dumb scum slip but still get slight scum vibes because of that.

[TheMunch]

Dang it!  So much talk and theory talk and things.  I REALLY wanted to claim "Station aligned" cause "I just saw green so I went oh ok I'm station aligned I didn't think it was called town in this game" but it seems I am too late to troll...

On a serious note, I didn't actually think of the game breaking nature that comes with the multiple votes but I have done some thinking of the interesting hammerer gets vengekilled aspect.  If I'm not mistaken this means that scum cant hammer scum or they lose.  I think this is a tool we can exploit as town, and given that we do have an IC it will make things easier.  I was thinking about some kind of game plan:

1) Dude gets to L-1.
2) Someone states intent to hammer
3) IC picks someone from wagon that he finds scummy and forces them to hammer.

Something along those lines.  I am up for refining this plan.

POINT 2:
There are 3 town deaths every day/night cycle no matter what we do so we will never make it to Day 3.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.3:

Robz888 (0) -
Eevee (0) -
Galzria (0) -
Insomniac (0) -
jotheonah (0) -
Jimmmmm (0) -
TheMunch (0) -
Cuzz (0) -
mcmcsalot (0) -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.  Day 1 ends on Tuesday, January 15 at 8:30 p.m. forum time.

NOTE: I've added 4 hours to the deadline for my own availability.

[Insomniac]

@Munch solid idea.

Now please weigh in on the 2 questions I've asked of everyone.

[TheMunch]

Will do when I get back tonight!

[Eevee]

That's a very good idea, Munch.

[jotheonah]

POINT 2:
There are 3 town deaths every day/night cycle no matter what we do so we will never make it to Day 3.

Surely you just mean there are three deaths. If it were three town deaths than we couldn't possibly win!