Ok, geo - when you are around tonight - can you explain why you view Asher as scummy enough to put a 2nd vote on him / her early in the day? After further review and the better part of a real life week to reflect - do you still find Ash scummy?
Ok. So the main reason's I voted for ashersky are:
1. I thought him criticizing Eevee on panicking when he thought he was at L-1 was uncalled for, and potentially scum trying to make a big deal out of nothing.
2. His (potentially willful) misunderstanding of my point that "voting is not a scumtell" which was an earlier criticism of him OMGUSing Eevee.
3. Him repeatedly calling for people to give me "closer look," and then rather than doing this himself. This seemed like it could be scum trying to get someone else to start a wagon that he could join (which he did - note that Jorbles unvoted then revoted, which is why he appears second instead of first)
4. His (potentially willful) misunderstanding of how what counts as role-claiming. This is likely a newb-tell, not a scum-tell
5. Threatening to put Eevee at L-1 (hopping on my wagon)
6. Him reminding Eevee that I was voting for him (Eevee) at the time as if that should make Eevee suspect me.
7. His hammer on Robz ended a potential wagon on him, and caused the lynch of townie
8. His hammer on Robz immediately followed someone asking the town in general whether they thought he should hammer. i.e. he could have left to consensus, but decided to just do it himself.
9. He immediately hopped on Cuzz's Morgrim wagon, when a wagon was forming on him
I didn't consider putting someone at L-2 to be as big of a deal as you obviously do. As long as everyone is careful with their votes, L-2 shouldn't be a problem.
As to my current opinions on ashersky's scumminess, I think there are two options:
1. He's playing as a newbish town, confused about a number of the conventions, and not very level-headedly.
2. He is scum, often trying to deflect suspicion away from himself, jumping on wagons whenever he thinks they might succeed in lynching town, and hiding behind being a noob to cover his more egregious mistakes.
I think the first option is possible, but I think his play so far has been slightly anti-town, regardless of his alignment.
For me, I know there to be only one option:
1. Nooby town who is nevertheless attempting to play cautiously for the benefit of the town (please note the difference between ashersky and me when a wagon formed on us. I am not panicked, but I know you guys are making the wrong decision). Prepared to claim if necessary.
I'm not sure there's time to form a new wagon. I do not agree with Eevee's assessment that a new wagon would be impossible (it looks like we might be able to build one on Frisk). My read on Frisk is pretty null though: I could certainly see him as scum who's hiding behind V/LA to not post much content, but I could also see him as actually just busy. For now, my favorite wagon is ashersky, and creating my list of reasons has solidified my position (though I am still far from certain that he's scum).
Are there any other questions I can answer?