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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1450 on: June 13, 2012, 06:00:03 pm »

Well... I found Galz suspicious... but then Axxle, Pops and CF voted for him...

so yea, less suspicious of him now.

I'm not particularly suspicious of him either, but I don't like that he responded to my argument against Glooble/Jo by giving a long-winded explanation of why that made me SK/mafia. And then I address his points and he says nothing, keeping his vote on me.

As for Glooble, UNVOTE, I guess. I'm totally unsatisfied for his explanation of why he said so many things that made no sense. But I do buy that him and Jo being twins is the elephant in the room regarding why they seem suspicious and in cahoots. (Though I still suspect each of them independently, just not in tandem.)
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1451 on: June 13, 2012, 06:04:35 pm »

It's ok, Robz, you still have my magic vote on you, and as such you are invincible.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1452 on: June 13, 2012, 06:06:33 pm »

Well... I found Galz suspicious... but then Axxle, Pops and CF voted for him...

so yea, less suspicious of him now.

Dat confirmation bias.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1453 on: June 13, 2012, 06:11:46 pm »

Well... I found Galz suspicious... but then Axxle, Pops and CF voted for him...

so yea, less suspicious of him now.

Dat confirmation bias.

Except I really was suspicious of him at first. So it's like, the opposite of confirmation bias.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1454 on: June 13, 2012, 06:12:08 pm »

Well... I found Galz suspicious... but then Axxle, Pops and CF voted for him...

so yea, less suspicious of him now.

I'm not particularly suspicious of him either, but I don't like that he responded to my argument against Glooble/Jo by giving a long-winded explanation of why that made me SK/mafia. And then I address his points and he says nothing, keeping his vote on me.

As for Glooble, UNVOTE, I guess. I'm totally unsatisfied for his explanation of why he said so many things that made no sense. But I do buy that him and Jo being twins is the elephant in the room regarding why they seem suspicious and in cahoots. (Though I still suspect each of them independently, just not in tandem.)

Sorry Robz, I've got my reasons, and O (damn unreadable townie) might be onto them.

More to your point, your counter argument was "I just know. I've got a read I can't share, so you'll just have to trust me". I understand and agree completely that you shouldn't share your read if you have one. But I can't just take your word that you do.

It's a catch-22 for you in my eyes right now, and I recognize that (if it makes you feel better). The only way to clear your name would be to possibly incriminate yourself and/or someone else for entirely different reasons.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1455 on: June 13, 2012, 06:18:27 pm »

Ugh, it's difficult to keep up with both MIII and MIV right now. Glooble and jo...now that is a twist! I don't know where that leaves us but yeah, I guess it makes sense why Gloob was defending him some. I think this should make me a little less suspicious of jo, too. So, I'll have to think about that.

Frankly, I am going to have to come back later and reread a lot from today. For now, I'm going to Vote: popsofctown not because I think he's the most suspicious but because his "refereeing" is bugging me and I want to send a message. Even if he's just trolling.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1456 on: June 13, 2012, 07:00:26 pm »

Unvote

I don't like the timing of CF's vote.  He calls for a votecount then votes without much explanation.  I'm going to reread CF critically before I send my vote to him.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1457 on: June 13, 2012, 07:09:36 pm »

Unvote

I don't like the timing of CF's vote.  He calls for a votecount then votes without much explanation.  I'm going to reread CF critically before I send my vote to him.

Tone clear, I voted with no explanation
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1458 on: June 13, 2012, 07:10:02 pm »

Unvote

I don't like the timing of CF's vote.  He calls for a votecount then votes without much explanation.  I'm going to reread CF critically before I send my vote to him.

Tone clear, I voted with no explanation

Stupid iPhone.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1459 on: June 13, 2012, 07:21:54 pm »

Vote Count 2-BLEURGH

Striking the whole thing and starting again.  I found where my spreadsheet got horribly, horribly off.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 07:36:43 pm by Voltgloss »
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1460 on: June 13, 2012, 07:22:53 pm »

I voted for pops but it was in the middle of a sentence.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1461 on: June 13, 2012, 07:23:36 pm »

Joth is adhesive
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1462 on: June 13, 2012, 07:24:45 pm »

Vote Count 2-7

jotheonah (1): Dsell
Captain_Frisk (1): O
popsofctown (1): Tables
Robz888 (3): Galzria, jotheonah, Captain_Frisk
Galzria (1): popsofctown

Not voting {5}: Glooble, Grujah, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Axxle

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

And I voted for Galzria. 

Doublevote: voltgloss
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1463 on: June 13, 2012, 07:25:36 pm »

GAH

Sorry gang.  It's been a really tough day at work.  Fixing now.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1464 on: June 13, 2012, 07:30:28 pm »

GAH

Sorry gang.  It's been a really tough day at work.  Fixing now.


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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1465 on: June 13, 2012, 07:37:19 pm »

New vote count being made in new post.  Because, wow, it's been a really difficult day at work and I guess it's showing here.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1466 on: June 13, 2012, 07:37:30 pm »

no he shouldn't.  he is, though.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1467 on: June 13, 2012, 07:38:03 pm »

no he shouldn't.  he is, though.


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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1468 on: June 13, 2012, 07:39:53 pm »

Take your time volt. There are other threads waiting for you I think.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1469 on: June 13, 2012, 07:40:54 pm »

Vote Count 2-7 v2

Captain_Frisk (1): O
popsofctown (2): Tables, Dsell
Robz888 (2): Galzria, jotheonah
Galzria (2): popsofctown, Captain_Frisk
Voltgloss (2): Captain_Frisk, Captain_Frisk

Not voting {5}: Glooble, Grujah, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Axxle

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1470 on: June 13, 2012, 07:42:00 pm »

Vote Count 2-7 v2

Captain_Frisk (1): O
popsofctown (2): Tables, Dsell
Robz888 (2): Galzria, jotheonah
Galzria (2): popsofctown, Captain_Frisk
Voltgloss (2): Captain_Frisk, Captain_Frisk

Not voting {5}: Glooble, Grujah, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Robz888, Axxle

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

I'm only quoting this because I know it will be edited and I want to keep a copy. We love you, Voltgloss, we really, really do.  ;D
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1471 on: June 13, 2012, 07:57:45 pm »

I'm ... adhesive?
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1472 on: June 13, 2012, 08:53:48 pm »

I'm getting caught up, but I have a LOT to read.  Am likely to respond to individual posts, in order of reading, rather than try to craft some long missive.
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« Reply #1473 on: June 13, 2012, 08:58:00 pm »

Really.. defending an obvtown makes him less suspicious? I'm pretty sure *everyone* alive agrees that for all intensive purposes SFS is obvtown.

Actually, this has been bugging me. I am by no means convinced of SFS's innocence. If it's based on his claim, it's very easy to imagine him doing it as a mafia play. It could be a more experienced teammates suggestion. Which players were first to strongly suggest the action left SFS near clear? Who just agreed with it later? These are things I actually think should be looking at. It's not like his other actions have been obvious town play (and if it has, obvious means that proof should spring immediately to mind, so show me the proof!).

...  Tables has gotten more active too.  ...

Wait, what? Isn't this my 2nd post of the (game) day? And it's a Wednesday, so you're lucky I'm even on now to be honest...


Some other not-much-else-to-say observations:

I haven't seen much from Grujah recently that's been useful enough for me to record. Grujah, you there?

Glooble's RL claim and the following few posts were hilarious. I lol'd.

Axxle made a pure comedy post earlier in response to a lack of content. I know he'll just say 'I got lynched for stifling comedy before' but, uh, it kinda stuck out a little as being a bit odd.

Okay, the last post count struck me as interesting. (The rest of this paragraph is a bit train of thought and doesn't go anywhere. I'm posting it because I still thought it, but it's not the most useful of analysis). Can we read anything out of this? The mafia seems hesitant to try and push a specific bandwagon along. This could be down to a big number of reasons. Firstly, it could be that no or few mafia are in the pool, and mafia doesn't want to risk putting on the 'suspicious' 3rd or 4th vote on anyone. It could be that mafia are being cautious. It could be that Mafia have already tried to start a bandwagon, and nobody has joined it. Eh... that's a few too many options really.

Right, so, the main thing that seems to be here was the Robz-Galzria debate. I definitely thought something felt off about Robz post when I first read it, but Galz argument didn't feel much better. And Robz counterarguments felt much better to me - they addressed what I think were my main concerns, and in particular the fact that Robz seems overly certain about things. I don't think Galz thinking Robz is SK should be a red flag. It was just one 'albeit long' post, and adressed exactly the thing Galz said: What he thought was off about Robz post. I never saw Galz seriously trying to hunt Killer and nobody else, and as scum, I agree with what he said that he could just off the Killer at night. HOWEVER I do agree with Frisk's point: The Killer at this point isn't our enemy. His best bet is definitely killing mafia, considering the town is 3-0 down in terms of deaths. And I'm hesitant to think Galz didn't realise that. But he did vote Robz. Black mark against Galz, from that.

My vote currently is on Pops, and it's staying there. His post 1353 has only made me more suspicious of him. Firstly, he considers himself a very likely lynch for the day. Umm... why? As town, I can't see why you'd say that. As mafia, it feels like a puppy-eyed subtle way of saying 'don't lynch me!'. I don't like it. Generally, the whole post sounded off. I'm back and forth on whether I find the reason given for changing the me/SFS protection rate you seem rather obsessed with is suspicious or expected, really not sure. What I think right now is most likely is, you're scum, SFS is town and what you wanted until I called it was for doctor to most likely not protect me so you could off me easily. But now with everyone thinking SFS is certain town, maybe it's the other way around.
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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1474 on: June 13, 2012, 09:08:17 pm »

Ok, reread 30 pages of forum. Not enlightening. Made my head hurt. Feel strongly like either Galz or pops is mafia, but my reads are shit. Anyway, Vote: Galzria.
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