Topic: M68: Fanfiction Mafia (Game over, Mafia wins flawlessly) (Read 198376 times)

silverspawn · « **Reply #1525 on:** September 29, 2015, 07:03:49 pm »

Quote from: Twistedarcher on September 29, 2015, 05:46:42 pm

Trying to re-read, but getting frustrated by forum slowness. Will check back tomorrow.

If slowness continues, can we maybe get an extension?

That's reasonable. Deadline is extended by one day.

silverspawn · « **Reply #1526 on:** September 29, 2015, 08:03:02 pm »

Vote Count 3.3

Awaclus (1): yuma
yuma (1): Awaclus
gkrieg13 (1): chairs
chairs (1): ashersky

Not Voting (4): Twistedarcher, gkrieg13, UmbrageOfSnow, Jimmmmm

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Oct 05, 06 PM forum time. That is in 5 days and 21+ hours.

yuma · « **Reply #1527 on:** September 29, 2015, 10:43:53 pm »

One question I do have for TA is this:

You said in the early stages of the game you would be have been ok with a mass claim. What specifically about your role made you feel that it would be beneficial for town to claim that early?

yuma · « **Reply #1528 on:** September 30, 2015, 12:23:46 am »

And in thinking about the claims more I think the only way I could believe ash/gk are lying is if ta is lying as well. In that case the roll would have likely been DTTTTT. And mafia would have godfather and goonsx2. And wouldnt know difference between TTTTTT and TTTTT. In that case fake claiming mason isn't too risky at all. 50% chance of there being no pr at all and if there is one then only a 10% chance that it would be a mason...

So that said I am more suspicious of the mason claim if ta is lying as well... Don't know if that means I want to lynch him more now or not?

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1529 on:** September 30, 2015, 12:33:48 am »

Okay so I'm pretty behind and I couldn't log in when I was trying to this afternoon. I'm tired now, but I'll try to catch up tomorrow although I've got a lot to do, so it might be Thursday.

Does anyone have anything they specifically want me to comment on/look at?

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1530 on:** September 30, 2015, 11:55:18 am »

Glad not too much happened since last night I guess. I'm reading up now, then going to lunch, then the customary flurry of posts this afternoon (assuming the site isn't down again.)

ashersky · « **Reply #1531 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:09:07 pm »

I had some time this morning, but couldn't get the page to load either.

I want to see TA's answer still, he's just agreed with yuma's defense, which is what scum does (FWIW).

I see merit in yuma's defense (as in, why didn't he just claim to RB a VT), although to be fair, if he's scum fakeclaiming, he doesn't know if town would lie to try to catch scum in a lie.

Any opportunity or appetite for possible partner assumptions? TA-Awaclus seem to go well together, for example (if I recall correctly, he wasn't on the yuma train).

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1532 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:17:54 pm »

One thing I'm having trouble with is: why wouldn't scum!Yuma buddy me? I am sometimes over-susceptible to buddying (or I worry that I am anyway) and I've been someone agreeing with him a lot through the game. Why would scum!Yuma come out of the gate pushing for a lynch on me as an alternative to Awaclus. I like to think I'm fairly hard to lynch and I've been solidly in his camp, but he pushes me at the start of the day.

I can see that coming from town, but what's the scum motivation there? How does he know I won't OMGUS, at least subconsciously?

gkrieg13 · « **Reply #1533 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:20:00 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on September 30, 2015, 02:17:54 pm

One thing I'm having trouble with is: why wouldn't scum!Yuma buddy me? I am sometimes over-susceptible to buddying (or I worry that I am anyway) and I've been someone agreeing with him a lot through the game. Why would scum!Yuma come out of the gate pushing for a lynch on me as an alternative to Awaclus. I like to think I'm fairly hard to lynch and I've been solidly in his camp, but he pushes me at the start of the day.

I can see that coming from town, but what's the scum motivation there? How does he know I won't OMGUS, at least subconsciously?

He could be your partner

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1534 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:21:15 pm »

So if Yuma is scum, he's scum with at least one of TA or Awaclus I'd think. And Yuma/Awaclus seems fairly unlikely to me, this could be staged but it really doesn't feel that way to me.

ashersky · « **Reply #1535 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:45:56 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on September 30, 2015, 02:21:15 pm

So if Yuma is scum, he's scum with at least one of TA or Awaclus I'd think. And Yuma/Awaclus seems fairly unlikely to me, this could be staged but it really doesn't feel that way to me.

Really? I could definitely see it being staged.

(Well, if yuma had been around the past year or so, then for sure.)

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #1536 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:12:31 pm »

Quote from: yuma on September 29, 2015, 10:43:53 pm

One question I do have for TA is this:

You said in the early stages of the game you would be have been ok with a mass claim. What specifically about your role made you feel that it would be beneficial for town to claim that early?

Wasn't super related honestly. If I had been cop or something it probably would have changed my default thinking on the matter, but it's not like I saw I was roleblocker and then went, "Oh, crap, better keep this role hidden at all costs!"

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #1537 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:12:58 pm »

Actually I am kinda thinking that Yuma's most likely scum buddies are Ash/Gkrieg.

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #1538 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:13:32 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on September 30, 2015, 02:17:54 pm

One thing I'm having trouble with is: why wouldn't scum!Yuma buddy me? I am sometimes over-susceptible to buddying (or I worry that I am anyway) and I've been someone agreeing with him a lot through the game. Why would scum!Yuma come out of the gate pushing for a lynch on me as an alternative to Awaclus. I like to think I'm fairly hard to lynch and I've been solidly in his camp, but he pushes me at the start of the day.

I can see that coming from town, but what's the scum motivation there? How does he know I won't OMGUS, at least subconsciously?

Cuz he could be buddying me instead, there is definitely a case for scum!Yuma buddying me throughout the game.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1539 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:22:18 pm »

Vote: Awaclus

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1540 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:23:21 pm »

Yuma, why is Jimmmmmmmm being town one of your basic assumptions?

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1541 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:24:53 pm »

Quote from: Twistedarcher on September 30, 2015, 03:13:32 pm

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on September 30, 2015, 02:17:54 pm
One thing I'm having trouble with is: why wouldn't scum!Yuma buddy me? I am sometimes over-susceptible to buddying (or I worry that I am anyway) and I've been someone agreeing with him a lot through the game. Why would scum!Yuma come out of the gate pushing for a lynch on me as an alternative to Awaclus. I like to think I'm fairly hard to lynch and I've been solidly in his camp, but he pushes me at the start of the day.

I can see that coming from town, but what's the scum motivation there? How does he know I won't OMGUS, at least subconsciously?

Cuz he could be buddying me instead, there is definitely a case for scum!Yuma buddying me throughout the game.

I can see that narrative. What I mean is that at the start of the day he went from not really pushing me to pushing me a lot out of nowhere. I've been defending him most of the game and he's been taking a lot of pressure. I don't see the motive for the change from scum!Yuma. The status quo would have been better for him.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1542 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:44:39 pm »

Anyway, I think we should lynch a VT today, and I think Awaclus is miles better than chairs, Yuma, Jimmmmm, or me. This seems pretty straightforward to me.

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #1543 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:45:23 pm »

That's pretty nonchalant for a lynch that loses us the game if we're wrong.

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #1544 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:50:12 pm »

Doing re-reads now. Re-read chairs, there's remarkable little there other than pushing either PPS or TA D1 -- he initially wants to push PPS, doesn't give any information other than "I'm lynching you for information", then says TA is his second choice, then moves to PPS at day end without anymore justification. He definitely seems to be nudging the either-PPS-or-TA position from the background.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1545 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:50:31 pm »

Any lynch we make loses us the game if we're wrong. There are 3 scum left and I believe the all-or-nothing logic on the PR claims and think all the scum claiming VT is much more likely. If the 3 PRs are scum we lose and I'm happy to take those odds.

So 3/5 of the VTs are scum. 3/4 from my POV. So there is one town in Awaclus/chairs/Yuma/Jimmmm. We need to not lynch that town. I'm not sure who it is, but Awaclus seems the least likely by a lot.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1546 on:** September 30, 2015, 04:01:35 pm »

Actually,

Vote: No Lynch

Think about it, either they eliminate the possibility of all 3 scum being PRs, or they eliminate 1 of the 2 town VTs, making it clear to at leas the other and the odds better for everyone else.

ashersky · « **Reply #1547 on:** September 30, 2015, 04:04:20 pm »

I was thinking no Lynch for awhile actually, but wondered if anyone would raise it.

We are at an even number.

Problem for me is I just die.

UmbrageOfSnow · « **Reply #1548 on:** September 30, 2015, 04:06:50 pm »

Quote from: ashersky on September 30, 2015, 04:04:20 pm

I was thinking no Lynch for awhile actually, but wondered if anyone would raise it.

We are at an even number.

Problem for me is I just die.

Think of it as taking one for the team. I do think you're probably town, and the most likely NK. But that eliminates the cases where town loses because you and Gkrieg are really ballsy scum. Which is a benefit.

ashersky · « **Reply #1549 on:** September 30, 2015, 04:09:17 pm »

Quote from: UmbrageOfSnow on September 30, 2015, 04:06:50 pm

Quote from: ashersky on September 30, 2015, 04:04:20 pm
I was thinking no Lynch for awhile actually, but wondered if anyone would raise it.

We are at an even number.

Problem for me is I just die.

Think of it as taking one for the team. I do think you're probably town, and the most likely NK. But that eliminates the cases where town loses because you and Gkrieg are really ballsy scum. Which is a benefit.

Except that still sucks for me.

I think the day the scum claim masons thing happen is the day we just concede.

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