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[yuma]

The post is the justificifation. It just looks like a completely non-committal policy vote that is based on nothing but people telling you things about Awaclus that you haven't even confirmed in any way.

it is a vote, how much more committed can you get in this game? Isn't a policy vote... see my vote on pps if you want to see a policy vote and sure I am relying on things that people have told me about Awaclus that I have confirmed with his play in this game. If people disagree with the other's analysis of him then they should feel free to do so but so far those that posted about him, agreed with each other, compared favorably with him this game and those who haven't said anything about him, haven't disputed what they said about him, which I interpret as a silent agreement.

Right now, as i have said before I am pretty null when it comes to scum reads, but if I am going to vote for one of those null reads, which I want to do so that we can have votes moving around instead of just sitting accumulating dust, it is going to be for the one that is universally the hardest for everyone to read.

[Twistedarcher]

I agree that Faust strikes me as townier this game, however that does nothing to dissuade me from voting PPS. Also townier on yuma

[pingpongsam]

I was actually thinking Faust might be scum trying to appear connected to me so that if I flip first he looks town and if he flips first I am obvious next mislynch. TA is still reading scum to me.

[ashersky]

I agree with PPS's line of thinking on faust.

[yuma]

I agree with PPS's line of thinking on faust.

I agree with your agreeing with PPS's line of thinking on faust

[ashersky]

Lemme Voltaire this:

chairs
UmbrageOfSnow
Witherweaver
gkrieg13
yuma
Awaclus
ashersky
faust
Hydrad
TwistedArcher
Jimmmmm
pingpongsam

UOS because early game pass/LA.
gkrieg because duh.
yuma because early game pass.
me because duh.
Jimmmmm because early game pass/doesn't actually lurk as scum ever.

So...not really that POE'ed yet.  But it's a start.

[yuma]

yuma because early game pass.

not that I want suspicion, but I think my year long hiatus should negate any early game pass that anyone might have once given me. I am not the scum hunter that I once was... nor was I necessarily ever if I am being perfectly honest.

[Witherweaver]

I was actually thinking Faust might be scum trying to appear connected to me so that if I flip first he looks town and if he flips first I am obvious next mislynch. TA is still reading scum to me.

I don't buy this from Faust's playstyle.  More likely scum motivation is that hedgey/careful => scum, so having strong opinions should be towny, hence a quick "strong town read" read.

[Witherweaver]

yuma because early game pass.

not that I want suspicion, but I think my year long hiatus should negate any early game pass that anyone might have once given me. I am not the scum hunter that I once was... nor was I necessarily ever if I am being perfectly honest.

"Hey, if I was scum why would I ever argue against a free pass?"

[faust]

The post is the justificifation. It just looks like a completely non-committal policy vote that is based on nothing but people telling you things about Awaclus that you haven't even confirmed in any way.

it is a vote, how much more committed can you get in this game? Isn't a policy vote... see my vote on pps if you want to see a policy vote and sure I am relying on things that people have told me about Awaclus that I have confirmed with his play in this game. If people disagree with the other's analysis of him then they should feel free to do so but so far those that posted about him, agreed with each other, compared favorably with him this game and those who haven't said anything about him, haven't disputed what they said about him, which I interpret as a silent agreement.

Right now, as i have said before I am pretty null when it comes to scum reads, but if I am going to vote for one of those null reads, which I want to do so that we can have votes moving around instead of just sitting accumulating dust, it is going to be for the one that is universally the hardest for everyone to read.

You vote for Awaclus quoting a post by ashersky saying that the only way Awaclus changes his meta is if he gets lynched too often. To me, that read as "okay, let's teach the guys some manners". I.e. policy vote.

[yuma]

yuma because early game pass.

not that I want suspicion, but I think my year long hiatus should negate any early game pass that anyone might have once given me. I am not the scum hunter that I once was... nor was I necessarily ever if I am being perfectly honest.

"Hey, if I was scum why would I ever argue against a free pass?"

"not that I want suspicion, but I think my year long hiatus should negate any early game pass that anyone might have once given me. I am not the scum hunter that I once was... nor was I necessarily ever if I am being perfectly honest."

[yuma]

You vote for Awaclus quoting a post by ashersky saying that the only way Awaclus changes his meta is if he gets lynched too often. To me, that read as "okay, let's teach the guys some manners". I.e. policy vote.

I can see why you might have thought that. What I meant above when I talked about my true policy vote on PPS was that I specifically said it was a policy vote. That is how I policy vote by citing the policy, otherwise what is it?

[ashersky]

yuma because early game pass.

not that I want suspicion, but I think my year long hiatus should negate any early game pass that anyone might have once given me. I am not the scum hunter that I once was... nor was I necessarily ever if I am being perfectly honest.

Honestly, it's not that you are any good -- just that I'm glad you are back and don't want to lose you so soon!

[yuma]

Honestly, it's not that you are any good -- just that I'm glad you are back and don't want to lose you so soon!

Well that is good! But if I die, I'll just sign up for faust's game! I don't think I am going anywhere soon... (not to give faust another reason to continue voting for me)

[faust]

Jimmmmm because early game pass/doesn't actually lurk as scum ever.

Let me consult the records for Jimmmmm scum games.

M18: 33 posts (okay, he was killed N1)
M28: 43 posts, lynched D4
M33: 112 posts, alive until the end
M38: 114 posts, alive until the end
M48: 59 posts, alive until the end

I don't think this qualifies as "Jimmmmm doesn't lurk as scum, ever".

[faust]

Also there is an obvious trend of Jimmmmm always being scum in games ending with 8 

[yuma]

Jimmmmm because early game pass/doesn't actually lurk as scum ever.

Let me consult the records for Jimmmmm scum games.

M18: 33 posts (okay, he was killed N1) 63.94 per player per player
M28: 43 posts, lynched D4 114.67 per player
M33: 112 posts, alive until the end   103.23 per player
M38: 114 posts, alive until the end 82.23 per player
M48: 59 posts, alive until the end 91.46 per playe

I don't think this qualifies as "Jimmmmm doesn't lurk as scum, ever".

this needs averages for context: see above...

[yuma]

and further compared to his town games:

Jimmmmm (90) (94 per player)
Jimmmmm (313) (199.87 per player)
Jimmmmm (52) (81.67 per player) killednight1
Jimmmmm (246) (149.06 per player)
Jimmmmm (109) (142.31 per player)
Jimmmmm (248) (123.42 per player)
Jimmmmm (128) (121.23 per player)
Jimmmmm (103) (108.46 per player)
Jimmmmm (119) (40.17 per player)
Jimmmmm (118) (193.95 per player)
Jimmmmm (40) (66.33 per player) lynched day1
Jimmmmm (36) (37.78 per player)

[Witherweaver]

Actually it should be averaged to posts per game day or something. 

[ashersky]

Looks like generally less than average as town, at or more than average as scum.

That's a generalization, of course.

[ashersky]

Eh, I still feel like more active Jimmmmm is scummy Jimmmmmm.

[yuma]

Looks like generally less than average as town, at or more than average as scum.

That's a generalization, of course.

I agree. But the real point of the discussion was in regard to giving Jimmmmm a pass. Right now I am. Come toward the end of day that pass will dissipate, because this day has mostly been going on during the weekend so availability is up in the air. It feels less like Jimmmm has been lurking and more like Jimmmmm hasn't been available to be online, which is independent of alignment (same as UoS), which is why he is getting a semi-pass.

So the question I now have for faust is whether he had a problem with ash giving a pass or if he had a problem with ash, in his opinion, characterizing Jimmmm's activity?

[yuma]

characterizing Jimmmm's activity?

should be mis-characterizing

[ashersky]

So the question I now have for faust is whether he had a problem with ash giving a pass or if he had a problem with ash, in his opinion, characterizing Jimmmm's activity?

Either way, sounds like a vote: faust situation!

[yuma]

So the question I now have for faust is whether he had a problem with ash giving a pass or if he had a problem with ash, in his opinion, characterizing Jimmmm's activity?

Either way, sounds like a vote: faust situation!

I disagree.