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[mcmcsalot]

I'll wait to see what Robz has to say before voting.

I suppose in the meantime I will Vote: TheMunch

Also what is this, do you have a reason for voting themunch, do you wish to see themunch lynched over liopoil/glooble, out of liopoil/glooble which one would you support more?

[ashersky]

That last one should be right.  I started with the last one from the mod a few pages ago.

[ashersky]

Where is everyone, anyway?

[Dsell]

I'll wait to see what Robz has to say before voting.

I suppose in the meantime I will Vote: TheMunch

Also what is this, do you have a reason for voting themunch, do you wish to see themunch lynched over liopoil/glooble, out of liopoil/glooble which one would you support more?

I meant I'll wait for Robz to post his findings before choosing between Liopoil and Glooble. I realize that I don't think a Munch lynch is likely but I wanted to express my support for that lynch, yes. I have stated over and over since day 1 that he's my top scum read.

[Robz888]

Okay, re-read Glooble:

So scum!Glooble couldn't be paired with Jimm or ashersky, based on how hard he came after them immediately, I think.

I still like Glooble's sincere response to suspicion on Day 1:

When I left forum mafia, it was basically because I felt as a person who works a job where I don't have access to a computer, it was very hard for me to keep pace with all of you. I thought obtaining a smartphone would help with this, since I could keep up on my commute and maybe post on my lunchbreak, but the fact is, I just have to many commitments in my life to post here every day. This week especially I've had a lot going on.

This isn't to try and make excuses. This game is a commitment and I shouldn't have signed up for it without better evaluating my ability to commit to it. But here we are now, and I have no defense for how much I've been lurking, and I can't fault you for lynching me, but I am town, and I so have a role that could potentially be very useful, so for the sake of the town I'd just as soon not get lynched.

He says he has a "fairly strong town read on Galz" Day 1. Would Gloob say that about fellow scum Galz? I'm not sure that he would...

And then he buddies me a whole bunch. It's stronger than I remember. So, of course there's an argument to be made that scum SHOULD buddy me hard, especially if you're lurker!scum!Glooble, because I am pretty anti-you from the get go (you being Glooble at the moment).

To me, Glooble starts out on okay-ish territory (despite his lurking), with some pseudo-solid stuff against Jimm and ashersky, and then becomes less and less present with each passing day.

Now let me look at liopoil...

[Robz888]

On to liopoil:

The first thing that strikes me about him is that his posts are super agreeable. As in, he's almost always introducing his thought by expressing concurrence. It comes off making him look really guided:

Shraeye's argument against cuzz is very convincing, and I would vote for cuzz right away if it weren't for the possibility that shraeye is scum... still, even if shraeye is scum he probably thinks that cuzz is on the other scum team... okay, I'm convinced. Vote: Cuzz

PPE: oh cool! glooble voted too.

Same. Vote:

cuzz or jimmmm? I'll go figure out which one I'd rather lynch.

I agree with this completely. It's probably why I haven't posted as much as I should.

I believe Eevee. It doesn't seem to me that Jimmmm's argument is very strong. For this reason I suspect Jimmmm. I'm also thinking that he might not be hated after all. I pretty much agree with everything Glooble as said; so I'm going to join him.

Vote: Jimmmm

Well, it seems most people have town reads on robz, and I don't want to lynch eevee. So I'm going to hop on a different wagon. Vote: Mcmcsalot

You're really a sheep, liopoil. Maybe that's just how you are; we would know a lot better if this wasn't your first game. But it is. Anyway, this certainly looks like a scum-leaning tone to me. He's so non-abrasive and non-confrontational. I could see scum!liopoil consistently choosing the path of least resistance to divert suspicion.

But, he certainly posts more content than Glooble, and as the days go on, his substance begins to dwarf Glooble.

He uses smileys (point in favor of being scum).

And then he's not afraid to take me on, which I think is slightly on the townier side. I know there are scum somewhere placating me by just calling me obvtown and letting me continue on mislynch after mislynch unimpeded, I'm just not sure people are the scum doing that, since everyone except Munch and liopoil have expressed heavy town reads on me. But anyway, it's not liopoil, since he has chosen to suspect me at least moderately.

So... ultimately, I am really torn between the two of them. They are neck and neck, though for totally different reasons. I guess I do ultimately lean Vote: Glooble. His contributions are less than liopoil's, and they lessen as time goes on.

[ashersky]

Unofficial Vote Count 3.2

Glooble (5): ashersky, theorel, yuma. liopoil, Robz888 {L-1}
Robz888 (1): TheMunch
liopoil (3):J immmmm, mcmcsalot, glooble
TheMunch (1): Dsell

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is February 8th at noon, forum time.



And now someone can hammer.

[ashersky]

I'll wait to see what Robz has to say before voting.

I suppose in the meantime I will Vote: TheMunch

Also what is this, do you have a reason for voting themunch, do you wish to see themunch lynched over liopoil/glooble, out of liopoil/glooble which one would you support more?

I meant I'll wait for Robz to post his findings before choosing between Liopoil and Glooble. I realize that I don't think a Munch lynch is likely but I wanted to express my support for that lynch, yes. I have stated over and over since day 1 that he's my top scum read.

Dsell, Robz came in with his thoughts on Glooble and liopoil.  Your turn.

[mcmcsalot]

So I support the mass-claim tomorrow, but I am actually going to claim now. I thought about whether or not I should claim each day, and I've come to the conclusion it is most beneficial to town. My reasoning is being convinced scum is trying to hit scum, there was talk of my being scum today which means a nk could be thrown my way, I'm a bomb, I kill the person that kills me. I had previously believed the best use of my role was to take a nk as 1 for 1 is good for town, but at this point 2 scum or 1 scum no town is much better.

[Robz888]

So I support the mass-claim tomorrow, but I am actually going to claim now. I thought about whether or not I should claim each day, and I've come to the conclusion it is most beneficial to town. My reasoning is being convinced scum is trying to hit scum, there was talk of my being scum today which means a nk could be thrown my way, I'm a bomb, I kill the person that kills me. I had previously believed the best use of my role was to take a nk as 1 for 1 is good for town, but at this point 2 scum or 1 scum no town is much better.

Uh, I think you're logic there is off, and you claiming was not a good idea. Because scum are going to kill someone, and of all the people they could kill, it's best if they kill you. Imagine if both scum teams shot you: two dead scum! Now they'll just kill someone else instead.

I understand the instinct for survival, but that was probably a huge mistake.

Nevertheless, I believe your claim.

[mcmcsalot]

No, that is what I thought origionally but scum killing me would result in one town death and one scum death, if I take both nk's then it's two scum one town dead. if scum nk's the other scum team the end result is two scum deaths. The last resul is the best and me claiming helps that happen.

[Robz888]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, but it's not really worth debating now.

[ashersky]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, but it's not really worth debating now.

He's wrong.  Any strong PR fake claim was better in that situation to pull the NKs.  Doc on D2 or something.  Bomb is a suicide role, take one for the team, etc.

[mcmcsalot]

I'm pretty sure you're wrong, but it's not really worth debating now.

He's wrong.  Any strong PR fake claim was better in that situation to pull the NKs.  Doc on D2 or something.  Bomb is a suicide role, take one for the team, etc.

Its different with two scum teams, If scum can only hit town I agree I want to take one for the team, but seeing as scum can and want to hit scum, which we also want them to do. Me claiming helps town.

There are two Nk's, so here is what can possibly happen.

I am not one of the nk's
1) 2 town
2) 1 town 1 scum
3) 2 scum

I am one of the nk's
4) 2 town one scum
5) 1 town 2 scum

In order of best to worst for town, 3, 5, 2, 4, 1.
By claiming I take out options 4 and 5 which leaves the best scenario. If I claim a power role and draw the nk, it leaves us with options 4 and 5 only.

[liopoil]

Thing is #3 is very unlikely. This claim is however a very good claim from scum. It means you won't be lynched, and won't be NKed by the other team either. It is possible that he is scum and a bomb I believe.

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah, 1 looks most likely too. I think a "guaranteed" scum kill is better than trying to save a Townie. I think the claim is mostly believable though. mcmc, if you are lynched, does that mean the person who hammers is killed?

[Robz888]

Yeah, 1 looks most likely too. I think a "guaranteed" scum kill is better than trying to save a Townie. I think the claim is mostly believable though. mcmc, if you are lynched, does that mean the person who hammers is killed?

My reading of the claim suggests "no", but I would like clarification on this as well.

[Robz888]

Yeah bro, you should have claimed to be one of the Cops, and just made up a fake investigation result. Then you would get killed, Bomb a scum, and we understand in the morning what you had done.

[Robz888]

Yeah bro, you should have claimed to be one of the Cops, and just made up a fake investigation result. Then you would get killed, Bomb a scum, and we understand in the morning what you had done.

Oh, what am I thinking, you'd get counterclaimed and that would be a disaster. Nevermind!

[Jimmmmm]

Not a Cop though, that would have needlessly caused the real Cop to counterclaim and result in us lynching one of them.

[Jimmmmm]

Post post edit: acknowledged by Robz.

[mcmcsalot]

The person who hammers me does not get killed, it is only if I am targeted for a nightkill.
In this game so far, there has not been a single night with 2 town deaths. Also there are a diminishing number of town compared to scum which increases the likely hood of scum targeting scum with the nk as the game goes on.
I don't think me claiming a power role would be a guaranteed scum kill, last game I tried to draw a nk on me I got lynched for it.

[Robz888]

I guess you've made it ever so slightly likely that scum shoot each other by claiming. You've also made it more likely they kill the Cops, so I don't think this is a great tradeoff.

[ashersky]

Unfortunately, I do think mcmc is town now.  This incorrect line of thinking spattered with survivalism is exactly what he did in ZMX, where he should have moved his vote to cause one town lynch instead of letting himself die, causing two town lynches.  He said he was worried about being lynched the next day.

This claim did nothing to help town.  I know mcmc thinks his little scenario thing makes sense, but it doesn't.

Sure, scum teams shooting each other is the best case scenario.  That happens whether he claims bomb or not.  I mean, we could all just claim and have them shoot each other right?  No.  Making it so they don't shoot a town you doesn't help everyone else, especially when you are passive utility at best.  This is basically like claiming VT but worse, because they'll never kill you now.  If you were a survivor, this is exactly the fake claim you do.

This is depressing.  Can we please just end the day and get to losing?

[jotheonah]

"Look at them, plotting and bickering while they pick each other off one by one. It's just ... fascinating," Weyoun says to Damar as they watch the latest holofeed from the recording devices they platned on Deep Space Nine. "Vorta sadly lack the capacity to be so duplicitous, even basic deception comes very hard to us."

"Weyoun, I don't think you give yourself enough credit," Damar says wryly, sipping his kanaar. "Some days I think you haven't stopped lying to me since we met."

"And some days, I don't think you've stopped drinking since we met," Weyoun replies. "It's only 10 in the morning, please do try to show some decorum."

Vote Count 3.3

Glooble (5): ashersky, theorel, yuma, liopoil, Robz888 {L-1}
Robz888 (1): TheMunch
liopoil (3): Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot, glooble
TheMunch (1): Dsell

Not Voting (0):

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is February 8th at noon, forum time.