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[Grujah]

And reading through Mafia QT, can't believe it was the completely accident softclaim that put a bullet in me

[Tables]

Umm... okay? You think we suck because in a thread of 3,000 posts, we didn't notice and investigate a setup claim from someone posted at the start of a long day? I think that's a bit harsh. Especially considering it could well have NOT been that setup, and just coincidentally similar.

Well, props to the mafia for winning. I think partially town getting so badly misdirected days 3+4 was what really killed us - ESPECIALLY Axxle not defending himself well.

And finally, scumbag Tables: Plays two mafia games. Most powerful role in both games.

[Tables]

I'm really surprised I survived as long as I did. Guess the mafia really did think I was likely covered by a doc, despite making probably more survivalist tells than was reasonable to do.

[Grujah]

Umm... okay? You think we suck because in a thread of 3,000 posts, we didn't notice and investigate a setup claim from someone posted at the start of a long day? I think that's a bit harsh. Especially considering it could well have NOT been that setup, and just coincidentally similar.

Yes!
Because out of all players I was only one willing to find out what setup it is.
And when I slipped it through nobody even checked it out

And it would be too much of a coincidence to be just "similar" 

[Captain_Frisk]

GRRRRR!  I was right!  Tables - if you were the doc - then you knew my story was plausible! 

So - my rational for claiming serial killer was:

Its the only role that actually ends the game if its lynched.  If I survived - and we lynched the roleblocker (who i thought was DSell) - (which allowed for the possibility of a town roleblocker)

I assumed that if we lynched mafia - that if Grujah and I each killed town - we'd be at 1-1-1 which can be considered a draw.  As long as they didn't kill me, even at 2-1-1 it can also be considered a draw.  Read: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Dilemma

I also considered opening Day 6 with a claim of doctor (and say I doctored SFS the whole time).  Sure - RobZ or Tables could counterclaim - but WIFOM.  My argument was that claiming serial killer was the only way to ensure that I didn't die.

I also put in a coded message a few pages back that said "DSell Will Wanted Claim Serial Killer".  Of course - the wanted wasn't intentional, but I snapped off a reply to SFS when I wasn't thinking.

[Tables]

I think you overestimate how much time people have... Even if I noticed it, and investigated it, I still wouldn't have been convinced. Not until the very last day or two, at which point it definitely would have slipped my mind anyway.

[timchen]

Yeah. It is very interesting. From town's point of view it is unimaginable that a serial killer will make this claim. Basically you can only hope for draws afterwards. And convincing others on that is pretty hard.

Good job on the scum team on creating this awesome situation that while knowing the truth you cannot tell.

[Tables]

Frisk: I knew it was plausible. I also knew it was unlikely. And thing is, even if it was 1-1-1 on the final day, you'd be lynched, as the other mafia could pretend to not be mafia as the mafia were eliminated. As I said, town can't do better than lynching you at that point.

[Captain_Frisk]

Read the link. Town can vote for no lynch and hope scum kill each ther at night.

[Captain_Frisk]

What else could I have done at l-1?

[Tables]

Not much. Probably claimed some power role (doctor?) and hoped we'd switch to DSell.

[Tables]

Also just read the C9 stuff... yeah, actually, if I had seen that, I'd have paid more attention to it methinks.

[Tables]

http://i48.tinypic.com/24yybrt.png

I'm laughing so hard at basically this whole page.

edit: Woah that's bigger than I thought. Leaving just a link now

[Galzria]

1-1-1 is an obvious no-lynch situation for the real town Tables, thus presenting the SK with a POSSIBLE win.

[Captain_Frisk]

The problem with a doctor claim was sfs.

He was already voting. If robz or tables had protection, they would know I was lying - and I lose.

[Galzria]

Yay! I got the setup right in post #123 of the QT! Very early call.

That said, the game was well played from the Mafia side. I think there was definitely room for the Town to put the pieces together (even without relying on the C9++ setup). The QT, as Volt mentioned, had some great debates, and I think we were all pretty confident coming into D5 of what the likely outcome was (Picking out the SK was a little tougher, but we got there).

Very enjoyable to watch, and I'm glad Robz was town so he couldn't claim victory over me! HA!

Still would've rather won though.

[Dsell]

Yeah! Can't believe we pulled it off! This was so fun you guys, I really enjoyed it! It was tough and a lot of thought went in to it. Particularly, I tried to give off a SK vibe Day 5 without actually admitting to anything. It was much much safer if everyone thought that I was SK and didn't give a thought to Frisk.

I thought this post was gg:

There are six people left. If 3 of them are scum, maybe I can do this by process of elimination. I know I'm not scum, and I know Tables is not mafia, and I assume that SFS is not mafia.

That would mean that 2 of Dsell, Frisk, and Glooble are the mafia. And unless Tables or SFS are the Serial Killer (the former possible, the later unlikely), the other member of this trio is the Serial Killer.

Frisk is pretty scummy, I agree. But, it worries me that Dsell and Glooble are not at each other's throats. As I've said, I believe their claims are contradictory. The fact that they are not eager to fight over this says to me that they know their claims are false.

What if they are both mafia, and they chose no kill 2 nights ago in order to set up Glooble's roleblocker claim? And they chose not to night kill someone in order to make us belief that the Mafia Thief blocked Dsell? In reality one of them is the Mafia Thief, and they blocked the Serial Killer, who they probably know is Frisk.

[Galzria]

Robz was definitely the one really putting things together. I think he could've gotten there with more time and thought. SFS, it felt like you threw in the towel man! And Tables (whom I figured to be the doctor) I thought really should've matched what he knew up with CF's claim. The thought that "SK would never claim" is just wrong.

Ahh well.

f.DS Mafia +1's to you all!

[ehunt]

Things I've learned from this game:

1. no really, don't vote in a mislynch-or-lose setup until you've slept for a while and thought hard.

2. if someone claims to be a vig at L-1, then the town agrees to accept the claim if and only if someone else dies, and then that someone doesn't die, and also, there are two other unexplained non-deaths, then don't let that person live for two more game days.

[Dsell]

Things I've learned from this game:

1. no really, don't vote in a mislynch-or-lose setup until you've slept for a while and thought hard.

2. if someone claims to be a vig at L-1, then the town agrees to accept the claim if and only if someone else dies, and then that someone doesn't die, and also, there are two other unexplained non-deaths, then don't let that person live for two more game days.

I really don't know how I survived that. I figured it would be easy to explain one missing kill, but not three! Props to frisk for trying to trip me up by shooting Axxle too. I guess by the time the town had run through the other likely scenarios (killing Axxle) it was too late to kill me for fear I was the serial killer. And I definitely ran with the mantle.

[Captain_Frisk]

Things I've learned from this game:

1. no really, don't vote in a mislynch-or-lose setup until you've slept for a while and thought hard.

2. if someone claims to be a vig at L-1, then the town agrees to accept the claim if and only if someone else dies, and then that someone doesn't die, and also, there are two other unexplained non-deaths, then don't let that person live for two more game days.

I really don't know how I survived that. I figured it would be easy to explain one missing kill, but not three! Props to frisk for trying to trip me up by shooting Axxle too. I guess by the time the town had run through the other likely scenarios (killing Axxle) it was too late to kill me for fear I was the serial killer. And I definitely ran with the mantle.

Did you not kill Axxle because you thought he was SK?

[Captain_Frisk]

Oh - and +1 to Volt for being a good mod.

-10 to volt for giving me the option to be investigative immune with a 1 shot investigator.

[Dsell]

I didn't shoot Axxle because I though it would be easy to explain one missing kill. It was probably a mistake. And voltgloss was an amazing mod!!!! Top-notch, really. Best flavor posts ever.

[Grujah]

Things I've learned from this game:

1. no really, don't vote in a mislynch-or-lose setup until you've slept for a while and thought hard.

2. if someone claims to be a vig at L-1, then the town agrees to accept the claim if and only if someone else dies, and then that someone doesn't die, and also, there are two other unexplained non-deaths, then don't let that person live for two more game days.

I really don't know how I survived that. I figured it would be easy to explain one missing kill, but not three!

This also surprised me 

Also Robz's posts where he says:
"Tables and I cannot be mafia because we pushed for O".
I was like..  . You clear yourself just like that?
Was really stumped at that point. 

[ehunt]

I didn't shoot Axxle because I though it would be easy to explain one missing kill. It was probably a mistake. And voltgloss was an amazing mod!!!! Top-notch, really. Best flavor posts ever.

yeah, frisk set you up there AND by coincidence you roleblocked him and there's no kills which makes the setup even better. sitting pretty for frisk.  and then town's like, oh, obviously, lynch axxle ...... frisk has got to be like, throwing his computer out the window at this point.