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Author Topic: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (GAME OVER - MAFIA WINS!)  (Read 338064 times)

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Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)
« Reply #1425 on: June 13, 2012, 03:32:34 pm »

@ Galzria's vote, and Popsofctown's vote

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells

Includes Selective Scumhunting, which Pops claims Galzria did, and the chainsaw defense (voting in retaliation for anothers vote) which Galzria did, and then Popsofctown did.

...Though Popsofctown's use of the chainsaw defense is justified simply by saying he used Galzria's tells of scumhunting and the chainsaw defense.
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« Reply #1426 on: June 13, 2012, 03:35:37 pm »

This thread is now about Counting House.

+1 solely for giving me flavor ideas.
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« Reply #1427 on: June 13, 2012, 03:37:20 pm »

This thread is now about Counting House.
Counting House is actually one of my highest Effect With cards, and I only buy it slightly less often than the average player.
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« Reply #1428 on: June 13, 2012, 03:42:21 pm »

the chainsaw defense.
"UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here. "
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« Reply #1429 on: June 13, 2012, 03:43:37 pm »

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« Reply #1430 on: June 13, 2012, 03:43:41 pm »

@ Galzria's vote, and Popsofctown's vote

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells

Includes Selective Scumhunting, which Pops claims Galzria did, and the chainsaw defense (voting in retaliation for anothers vote) which Galzria did, and then Popsofctown did.

...Though Popsofctown's use of the chainsaw defense is justified simply by saying he used Galzria's tells of scumhunting and the chainsaw defense.

Well that sucks.
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« Reply #1431 on: June 13, 2012, 04:04:56 pm »

Ok, I wasn't going to get on today, but I need to respond to Robz's post.

Remember how I said at the beginning of this whole thing that jo and I have a RL acquaintance? That acquaintance is that we are brothers. In fact, we are identical twins. I have known him literally my entire life. This is why I seem so certain that he is town, I may not know mafia very well, but I sure as hell know how to read jo. That's why he seems so obvious to me.

That being said, if we were both Mafia, I would have to be the worst Mafia ever for defending him. I said it before, and I'll say it again - if I were Mafia, I would have bussed him on page five. This part of your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

The rest of your argument against me also makes very little sense, and you support it by paraphrasing things I say as things I'm not actually saying.  For example, "Jo is not mafia because Insomniac died?" - not what I was saying in my post. All I said was IF jo is mafia, than I can't imagine him killing insomniac, since he was clearly laying the groundwork to set him up for a lynch." What I was doing was taking something with two possibilities, and stating something which we could infer if a particular one of those possibilities was true. Because I'm not certain enough about anything to say "This is true because this is true". YOu, apparently, are.

Apparently I look like scum because I'm unsure about things, and I'm offering opinions. I'm "hedging" because I've seen lots of smart, experienced people be wrong about things and its made me pretty cynical. You, on the other hand, seem perfectly willing to take things at face value. "We can be sure, beyond all reasonable doubt, SFS is town?" I've seen the arguments for that one, and I still don't buy them.

But imagine I am scum. I look at SFS and see one of the most trusted townies in the game, and try and lead a bandwagon on him? I'd have to be a complete idiot. Even if I did manage to get him lynched, I would be immediately lynched the next day. Mafia want to lead bandwagons on people who look suspicious, in places where they already have allies.

You said, and I quote, "Either Gloobe is (forgive me) playing an all-time terrible game as town, or he is playing a somewhat un-subtle game as mafia." I disagree. I think the options are I'm playing a decent, if somewhat timid game as town, or the worst mafia ever.
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« Reply #1432 on: June 13, 2012, 04:12:26 pm »

Confirm RL twin claim.
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« Reply #1433 on: June 13, 2012, 04:14:33 pm »

In fact, we are identical twins.

Strangest reveal ever.
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« Reply #1434 on: June 13, 2012, 04:14:56 pm »

Second worst. Worst mafia ever would be jo.
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« Reply #1435 on: June 13, 2012, 04:16:31 pm »

In fact, we are identical twins.

Strangest reveal ever.

It gave me chills to read it, for some reason. It's fine, we agreed it was fine in the first place, of course. Just unexpected. And actually, it does sort of explain why Glooble would spend so much time talking about Jo. I forgot that they knew each other.

So, it makes me a little less confident in my theory, I suppose.
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« Reply #1436 on: June 13, 2012, 04:16:45 pm »

There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition. And, it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
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« Reply #1437 on: June 13, 2012, 04:27:40 pm »

I do not like it.

Votoes for Axxle1

Galz
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Me
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pops
Glooble
Grujah
theorel

If I strike theorel, myself (the only thing I know for sure), SFS (nearlyobvtown), Grujah (mislynch waiting to happen), Glooble / J (Wundertwins), I'm left with:

Galzria
pops

Of course - Grujah is a misylnch waiting to happen per Galz, so maybe he should go in the suspect pool too.

Pops' defense of SFS instead of trying to crush him for bad play makes me suspicious.  Galz... well I've been wrong about him in the past.
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« Reply #1438 on: June 13, 2012, 04:28:41 pm »


Pops' defense of SFS instead of trying to crush him for bad play makes me suspicious.  Galz... well I've been wrong about him in the past.

Damn no edit: Should read: "makes me less suspicious of him"
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« Reply #1439 on: June 13, 2012, 04:42:07 pm »


Pops' defense of SFS instead of trying to crush him for bad play makes me suspicious.  Galz... well I've been wrong about him in the past.

Damn no edit: Should read: "makes me less suspicious of him"

Really.. defending an obvtown makes him less suspicious? I'm pretty sure *everyone* alive agrees that for all intensive purposes SFS is obvtown.
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« Reply #1440 on: June 13, 2012, 04:46:53 pm »

Everyone except Glooble...
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« Reply #1441 on: June 13, 2012, 05:09:44 pm »

Everyone except Glooble...

+1 for a much needed end of day LOL.
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« Reply #1442 on: June 13, 2012, 05:14:26 pm »

Where has Grujah been? I'd say I'm ok with him as a policy lynch, but if we resort to a policy lynch today it had better damn well be me.
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« Reply #1443 on: June 13, 2012, 05:39:31 pm »

This thread got super weird.


I'm voting Galzria right? good.
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« Reply #1444 on: June 13, 2012, 05:45:02 pm »

Vote Count 2-6

jotheonah (1): Dsell
Captain_Frisk (1): O
popsofctown (1): Tables
Glooble (1): Robz888
Robz888 (2): Galzria, jotheonah
Galzria (2): popsofctown, Axxle

Not voting {4}: Glooble, Grujah, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Captain_Frisk

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
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« Reply #1445 on: June 13, 2012, 05:45:20 pm »

This thread got super weird.


I'm voting Galzria right? good.

Oh lawd can we get a vote count?

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« Reply #1446 on: June 13, 2012, 05:51:24 pm »

Sorry about the weirdness. Before the game started we were like "Let's not mention it, but if it's producing false positive reads, we have to mention it." It's definitely funky meta.
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« Reply #1447 on: June 13, 2012, 05:52:47 pm »

Vote: Galzria
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« Reply #1448 on: June 13, 2012, 05:54:08 pm »

Vote: Galzria

Ah, the first (maybe second) townie vote on me.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #1449 on: June 13, 2012, 05:55:44 pm »

Well... I found Galz suspicious... but then Axxle, Pops and CF voted for him...

so yea, less suspicious of him now.
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