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[O]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

[LaLight]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

1) just claiming VT doesnt help to escape lynching
2) claiming VT with a good plan does help to do it, because people are like "well, he's really VT"
3) claiming PR helps escaping lynching, but J Reggie hasn't done it

[O]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

1) just claiming VT doesnt help to escape lynching
2) claiming VT with a good plan does help to do it, because people are like "well, he's really VT"
3) claiming PR helps escaping lynching, but J Reggie hasn't done it

so, in short "he's doing exactly what a VT would do to escape lynching, which makes him seem scummy to me"

[Cuzz]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

wiiiiiiiifom. it lets him escape lynching if it causes everyone to say "no scum would do this."

[O]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

wiiiiiiiifom. it lets him escape lynching if it causes everyone to say "no scum would do this."

saying "i'm a potato lolol lynch me i'm scum" is wifom.

[LaLight]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

1) just claiming VT doesnt help to escape lynching
2) claiming VT with a good plan does help to do it, because people are like "well, he's really VT"
3) claiming PR helps escaping lynching, but J Reggie hasn't done it

so, in short "he's doing exactly what a VT would do to escape lynching, which makes him seem scummy to me"

In my opinion and in the games I have played, lynching VT D1 is good, because no Town PR is outed, there's no guarantee we won't out one if we continue to push different people. Lynching scum is of course better, but we've made a good job so far.

J Reggie otoh tries to really escape the lynch with WIFOM way

PPE: 2

[Cuzz]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

wiiiiiiiifom. it lets him escape lynching if it causes everyone to say "no scum would do this."

saying "i'm a potato lolol lynch me i'm scum" is wifom.

?

[SpaceAnemone]

Morning all. Not sure why I'm awake this early.

I like the self-hammering plan to avoid the hammer hero thing too early, but at the same time I do definitely feel like the IC comment from JR is off. I'm willing to vote: JR over it.

[O]

how is this even a plan to escape lynching

no part of his plan includes "escaping lynching" any more than any normal VT claim would.

wiiiiiiiifom. it lets him escape lynching if it causes everyone to say "no scum would do this."

saying "i'm a potato lolol lynch me i'm scum" is wifom.

?

It would certainly cause me to say "no scum would do this". I'd still vote for them tho.

More relevantly, introducing WIFOM is such a terrible "scumtell" because the whole basis of WIFOM is that it's also something that a town player would do.

[LaLight]

Morning all. Not sure why I'm awake this early.

I like the self-hammering plan to avoid the hammer hero thing too early, but at the same time I do definitely feel like the IC comment from JR is off. I'm willing to vote: JR over it.

L-2

[O]

I'd like to see points about what the "IC" comment would have meant in the context that J Reggie is scum.

Because I feel like I interpret it the exact same way regardless of his alignment.

[faust]

What? How exactly did I try to control anything? May you give relevant qoutes please?

Well, when O accused you of being controlling, you tried to shut him down by saying:

What? How exactly did I try to control anything? May you give relevant qoutes please?

To shut him down? People, I don't follow your thoughts

Well, it was half way a joke - your post responding to him calling you controlling sounded... a little... controlling!

But overall I don't agree that you've been driving the game.

And I think I prefer

Vote: Galzria

I don't want to let this guy Sherlock town into the dirt.

Cue the hordes of people who will join me on this sensible quest.

Vote: Galzria

[faust]

Purely based on this it makes me not want to lynch lalight even though I think he's scummy and lynch Faust who has defended lalight quite a bit, and defended him with much worse reasoning than twm who I am town reading more as he posts. With that unvote

You may not want to lynch LaLight, but wouldn't a little pressure have been interesting?

My reasoning was basically the same as TWM's, so I'm not sure how you would think there's a big quality difference. Quality difference in explanation maybe. I wrote my stuff before I went to bed.

[faust]

Ok, I'm a VT, bid 14th. My plan is this: I think it's a really bad idea for hammer hero to have a hammer D1, perhaps D2 as well. There's just higher utility for scum to have kills early in the game. So if someone claims intent to hammer, I will self-hammer as soon as I see it. If someone goes against this, you should lynch them. If I make a post between intent to hammer and self-hammering, go ahead and lynch me.

Did you bid on the Hammer Hero slot?

[faust]

Quick sanity check:

Can the Hammer Hero still fire a shot if they have been lynched the previous Day?

[Eevee]

Isn't Reggie being too erratic for scum?

Vote: awaclus

[faust]

Isn't Reggie being too erratic for scum?

Vote: awaclus

Not sure there's such a thing for Reggie.

[faust]

Request prod on Andrew

[Awaclus]

Sometimes it worked, sometimes we lynched Awaclus himself first.

Apparently we're going for option #2 this game.

[faust]

Some observations on vote movement.

The wagons start early, we have at vote count 1.1

mcmc (2): e, TWM
J Reggie (1): Jake
TWM (2): J Reggie, ash

Followed by mcmc joining on TWM. Early wagons soon get bigger, see vote count 1.4:

mcmc (3): e, TWM, gkrieg
J Reggie (1): Jake
TWM (5): J Reggie, ash, mcmc, Dylan, sudgy

Galzria is the first to join Jake on J Reggie. Here's an interesting outlook:

mcmc (4): gkrieg, LaLight, Jake, TWM
J Reggie (2): Galzria, e
TWM (5): J Reggie, ashersky, Dylan32, sudgy, mcmcsalot

mcmc wagon looks town-driven, while the TWM wagon seems pretty bad.

mcmc (2): gkrieg, Jake
J Reggie (5): Galzria, e, Dylan, TWM, Eevee
TWM (4): J Reggie, ash, sudgy, mcmc

mcmc wagon kinda drops dead and instead we get the wagon on J Reggie. TWM is the only one on both.

mcmc (3): JaketheBaseballGod22, SpaceAnemone, LaLight
J Reggie (6): Galzria, 2.7128...., Dylan32, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
TWM (4): J Reggie, ashersky, mcmcsalot, sudgy

Now gkrieg switches from mcmc to Reggie as well (just as that wagon start gaining support again). The TWM wagon is quite stable.

[faust]

Reread Dylan. He's townie.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

can i not fuck up quotes just once.

1. there's no reason for scum to not lie about a draft to instead of refusing to tell. This is only true before i said this and now WIFOM is introduced

2. his point was that dead townies are the same as dead ICs.

I think there could have been wifom before you pointed it out. And I actually do think Reggie was implying that he thinks his plan makes him a soft IC even before dying.

I wasn't.  But I should be an IC because I'm town.

Alright. I am back. vote: JReggie

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Looks like that is L-1. Not that it matters since he has claimed and others who wanted the game to not end early havent' been around to play it.

[Roadrunner7671]

I have no intent to hammer.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Looks like that is L-1. Not that it matters since he has claimed and others who wanted the game to not end early havent' been around to play it.

After hearing the bogus plan I'm fine with lynching JR now. Can you please claim what slot you bid on JR? Ethier now or in twilight.