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[Eevee]

I think I'm the one that is made to look scummy. Less so lately. Hmmmm. I don't know really
 no one (else) has done anything attackable I don't think.

[Eevee]

Oh if I was scum. Hmm. I'd go after SfS probably (I'm assuming I hav no scumbuddies).

[Eevee]

don't know how that answer is helpful, just a whole bunch of wifom.

[shraeye]

Alright, I'm going to go teach for an hour.  I hope I come back to some raging discussion.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

@SFS

It's your turn.  Pick two scum reads AND one person you would bet the whole game on them being town.

not caught up, but wanted to do this first.

My two top scum reads Insom and Frisk.  The way the whole "SFS voted for Jim" is just so bizarre. 

I won't bet the game on anybody but you and Jim, because I'm always wrong.

[Captain_Frisk]

@SFS

It's your turn.  Pick two scum reads AND one person you would bet the whole game on them being town.

not caught up, but wanted to do this first.

My two top scum reads Insom and Frisk.  The way the whole "SFS voted for Jim" is just so bizarre. 

I won't bet the game on anybody but you and Jim, because I'm always wrong.

What does that have to do with me?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Am still here.


@SFS: Do YOU know what I think your scum tell is?

LOL.  When did you quit beating your wife, Senator?

[Insomniac]

Interesting, either you know what my case is / your tell is, or you genuinely are town...Unvote Will still post it but SFS handled my suspicion quite a bit.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

@SFS

It's your turn.  Pick two scum reads AND one person you would bet the whole game on them being town.

not caught up, but wanted to do this first.

My two top scum reads Insom and Frisk.  The way the whole "SFS voted for Jim" is just so bizarre. 

I won't bet the game on anybody but you and Jim, because I'm always wrong.

What does that have to do with me?

Does anyone even read my posts?

[Insomniac]

@SFS

It's your turn.  Pick two scum reads AND one person you would bet the whole game on them being town.

not caught up, but wanted to do this first.

My two top scum reads Insom and Frisk.  The way the whole "SFS voted for Jim" is just so bizarre. 

I won't bet the game on anybody but you and Jim, because I'm always wrong.

What does that have to do with me?

Does anyone even read my posts?

No...hey wait a second wouldn't I have had to read that post to respond to it...HMM

[Insomniac]

Am still here.


@SFS: Do YOU know what I think your scum tell is?

LOL.  When did you quit beating your wife, Senator?

Also yea, I ask the tough questions no one else wants to ask, what of it?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

@SFS

It's your turn.  Pick two scum reads AND one person you would bet the whole game on them being town.

not caught up, but wanted to do this first.

My two top scum reads Insom and Frisk.  The way the whole "SFS voted for Jim" is just so bizarre. 

I won't bet the game on anybody but you and Jim, because I'm always wrong.

What does that have to do with me?

Does anyone even read my posts?

No...hey wait a second wouldn't I have had to read that post to respond to it...HMM

Don't know what you're reading besides your daychat with Frisk, but go read my 137.

[Insomniac]

I knew why you suspected me. You read my posts, the Jimm thing was the least of my concern with you

[Captain_Frisk]

You've only posted 10 times SFS, and i didn't really see how my unvoting Insomniac + joking that we still haven't heard from Jimmmmmm constitutes sufficient suspicion to be your #1 scum read.

Insomniac jumping all over you - I can understand your reaction to that.

[Voltgloss]

Vote Count 1.3:

Eevee (1, u1): Jimmmmm
SwitchedFromStarcraft (1, u2): Insomniac, Robz888
Galzria (2, u2): shraeye, Eevee

Not voting (4): Galzria, SwitchedFromStarcraft, Captain_Frisk, Insomniac

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Friday, November 16 at 9:00 p.m. forum time.

Using strikethrough to show someone who voted but has since moved their vote.  Makes it a lot easier to track “unique votes.”

[Robz888]

@SFS: Yeah, I read what you write. I'm not sure why Frisk is confused. Frisk is being too defensive, in my opinion. I haven't moved off the fact that he was paranoid the scumslip was his.

But I still find you pretty scummy, although this is a situation where I really don't think both of you would be scum. Your conversations at each other are just too weird for you to be together. SFS's delayed RVS is still my major reason for suspecting him. Can I get that Insomniac case on SFS now?

[Insomniac]

Yes you can Robz perhaps it will clear things up, note I wrote this before SFS came back and did his most recent posts.

[Insomniac]

So it's not the longest case in the world and it's a heavy meta argument, some of you may agree with me others may not.

If you have the time go look at ZM1, ZM2 and to a lesser extent MIV where SFS was town. In these games you might notice a similar posting pattern I sure did.

Now look at ZM3 where SFS was scum, do these posts have the same feel to them as ZM1/2? I will argue that they do not, you may not be able to put a finger on it but something is different.

Eevee made a point that SFS had long posts in ZM3 and while this is true this is not the only discrepancy I notice, though admittedly it is one.

The content in SFS's post in ZM1/2 was less than in ZM3. Additionally you may notice that NONE of his posts in ZM3 are very close together where as in ZM1/2 he often gets down a few posts before others respond. Now the time gap IS huge for SFS. In ZM1/2 he was reflective of a townie stream of conciousness post, he didn't care if others had said something he just wanted to get his ideas out this resulted in SFS creating multiple rapid fire posts as opposed to one giant post. In ZM3 he had longer posts and started to show a lot more concern over what he was posting this resulted in the end of his posts often containing "PPE: 15 new" or some other relatively high number. This was because not only was he writing long posts he was grueling over the wording to ensure he hadn't exposed something he wasn't supposed to know.

You might have even noticed that when replying to something seemingly small (the scumslip question) SFS provides a long detailed post going into more detail then he needs to.

So I ask you, does SFS posting style this game match more closely with his townie meta in ZM1/2, or does it more resemble his scum meta in ZM3. I argue it is in fact the latter.

[Robz888]

Hmm. I did notice that SFS's PPE count in Blitz3 was ridiculously high, and you're definitely right that that's probably a scumtell.

Is that really what he's doing here? I'd believe it. I'll go back and look.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

You've only posted 10 times SFS, and i didn't really see how my unvoting Insomniac + joking that we still haven't heard from Jimmmmmm constitutes sufficient suspicion to be your #1 scum read.

Insomniac jumping all over you - I can understand your reaction to that.

Re: post count - I didn't know the game started last night.  I was focused on Pandemic, and went to bed early.

Re: my suspicion of you - you and Insom traded the cute "VOTE: Frisk and OMGUS VOTE: Insom" right out of the gate (posts 33 and 41), then you UNVOTE "to avoid confusion over RVS voting" right before Insom puts a REAL vote on me for joke voting? And you "didn't really see" why that would seem scummy.

Bonus point though for the bolded part though, cause I didn't list you as my #1. If you read my 204, you'll see that Insom is listed first, then you.

[shraeye]

Yes, SFS, you did list Insom first.  But it was not clear or apparent to me that you were listing those names in a given order for a reason.  In fact, I was about to ask you to clarify which one you were more sure about.

[shraeye]

I find this (103):

Unvote to avoid any RVS confusion.

followed by this (109):

Should we vote jimmmmm for lurking?

followed by this (112):

@Shraeye didn't see a slip.

Unvote

Vote: SwitchedFromStarcraft for even talking about voting for an IC.

to feel a WHOLE lot like daychat-plotted scheming, irrespective of the vote on me. 

You may have something here.  I imagine that plots/schemes are being hatched in daychat, but I wonder how blatant they will be when played out in thread.  One question though, what do you mean by "irrespective of the vote on me"  Like, if Insom hadn't voted, you would still have felt like Frisk was leading a one-man plot against you?

[shraeye]

I won't bet the game on anybody but you and Jim, because I'm always wrong.

Also, I don't care if you are worried about guess wrong.  But I DO want to hear your guess.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Yes, SFS, you did list Insom first.  But it was not clear or apparent to me that you were listing those names in a given order for a reason.  In fact, I was about to ask you to clarify which one you were more sure about.

Insom is still #1.  When I make a list of things and nothing is to be inferred from the order of their listing,  I make that clear by stating either "in no particular order" or by specifying the mechanism by which the order was determined.

Insom is #1 because before he provided us the "case" on me, he suggested we all go back and look at M4, ZM1, ZM2 and ZM3 to verify his claims.  That ostensibly shows "good objectivity", but given the remaining time before deadline, works in favor of scum.

[shraeye]

@Frisk

I'd love to hear your two top scumreads now.

@everyone, we should start angling for a lynch soon, actually.  Get on that.