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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #800 on: February 14, 2014, 03:32:37 am »

ok, we're getting close to deadline here.  I won't be on much tomorrow, unfortunately, so I'm putting my vote on Vote: Eevee, since his power is not very useful to town.  Don't lynch me!

You realize the reason you're voting for Eevee can be applied to argue for voting for you as well?

Don't hide behind "this role is not useful"! Do you think Eevee is scum? If yes, why do you think that?
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #801 on: February 14, 2014, 04:05:52 am »

I'm alright with vigging EFHW or Eevee. Same thing with lynch.

If I understand EFHW correctly, the negative utility will happend if we vig her, but not if we lynch her.

Because of this, I think we should Vig eevee, and then we can consider to lynch EFHW instead if we suspect her.

Why do you think we should vig today?
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #802 on: February 14, 2014, 04:26:10 am »

Hmmm, so, as I suspected this massclaim has only left me more confused than before. If everyone has two roles, then it seems to me that scum would have no reason to lie here. They would just claim their first role like everyone else. Why risk being uncovered and getting double lynched?

So there probably aren't any "fake" claims here. Then how do we sort through this? Would scum be given "scummy" roles for the first role? Or "towny" roles? What about their second role? I don't know. It kind of makes sense to me that scum's first roles might be townier, so that it would hold up better as an alibi. But that's getting pretty speculative.

I guess we could lynch based on how "dangerous" the roles seem. But that doesn't seem like a very fruitful way to me to actually hit scum.

All that being said, here's my impressions of the recent claims:

Archetype's claim rings true to me, and not just because it corroborates mine to some extent (excluding the mysterious fact that Volt was shot...). It seems like a nice parallel to my role, and the fact that he got semi-verified results is encouraging. So Arch has given me a good feeling lately.

Volt and EFHW sort of seem maybe like town roles that are put in place to balance a disincentive against claiming. Of the two, EFHW comes off a little scummier to me here, because of her insistence since D1 that she not be targeted...Volt tried to avoid claiming, perhaps so he might more effectively use his ability. On the other hand, it would be difficult to verify...so it's hard to say. But I think I lean town on both.

xeiron's power seems cool...null to towny I'd say.

faust I still don't like. Yes, bodyguard, very towny seeming power (for what that's worth). But it's the circumstances under which he claimed that still bother me. Such an early claim D1, and what, to defend ash? And now he is eager to claim about how he has revealed his PM to xeiron, for verification. It feels to me like he's been flaunting his claim since D1, perhaps with the foreknowledge that he would have a second. And maybe he wanted to defend ash for the towncred, knowing that ash was town.

I am also coming around to the idea that Eevee might be scum. The vanillizer thing strikes me as scummish for some reason. And the more I think about it, the less I like the drop-off in posting activity, which is excusable in itself, but also the "I just don't get it, you guys take it from here" sort of sentiment he was giving off. It sort of reminds me of caught theorel from Dynasty Warriors 1, when he was like "I'm too sick to think this through, I give up." Some flavors of scum would definitely be interested in sitting to the sideline of discussion (e.g. scum!Eevee from Game of Thrones), and while this game is kind of baffling, it's towny to at least try.

Oh, and joth...pretty null on joth, haven't heard from him in a while. I suppose if he dayvigs we'll get confirmation of his role at least.

I'm going to bed, I'll be around tomorrow but this is probably my last proper long reads post before deadline. So I will keep my faust vote for now, but I would also be OK with an Eevee lynch/vig if that's the way the wind is blowing.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #803 on: February 14, 2014, 04:44:15 am »

faust I still don't like. Yes, bodyguard, very towny seeming power (for what that's worth). But it's the circumstances under which he claimed that still bother me. Such an early claim D1, and what, to defend ash? And now he is eager to claim about how he has revealed his PM to xeiron, for verification. It feels to me like he's been flaunting his claim since D1, perhaps with the foreknowledge that he would have a second. And maybe he wanted to defend ash for the towncred, knowing that ash was town.

1. Yes, I claimed early. Look at my role. Do you see any reason not to claim D1? It doesn't help scum in the least to know my role.

2. I wasn't "eager to claim" my connection with xeiron. It was part of the mass claim. Why are you painting this as something scummy?

3. Maybe I wanted to defend ash because I didn't want to kill town, and I thought that it was pretty obvious that that's what he was? But of course you can go on declaring every pro-town play as "grab for towncred", let's see where that gets us.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #804 on: February 14, 2014, 04:56:00 am »

Just over half a day to deadline.
We should consentrate on lynching someone.
Jotheonah can still shoot someone when/if he shows up, but we do no longer have time to wait for him to shoot before we start to look for a lynch.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #805 on: February 14, 2014, 08:01:14 am »

Vote Count 2.9

faust (2): Archetype, Walrus
Eevee (2): xeiron, EFHW
EFHW (1): faust

Not Voting (3): Voltaire, jotheonah, Eevee

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day2 is 8 days and will be February 14 at 8 pm forum time.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #806 on: February 14, 2014, 08:58:36 am »

Sorry guys, my plane got diverted to DC, couldn't get online ALL DAY yesterday.

Anyway, dayvig: Eevee

Let's see what happens.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #807 on: February 14, 2014, 08:58:44 am »

Hey, Archetype, seems that you are voting for me. Remind me again why you are voting for me?
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #808 on: February 14, 2014, 08:59:15 am »

vote: jotheonah
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #809 on: February 14, 2014, 09:24:39 am »

Hey, Archetype, seems that you are voting for me. Remind me again why you are voting for me?
Woops, sorry.

Vote: EFHW
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #810 on: February 14, 2014, 09:36:50 am »

Eevee has been killed. He was Annyong, the Temporary Vaniallaiser, a Secondary Character.
All votes remain the same except for votes cast by or on Eevee.
Vote Count 2.11

faust (1): Walrus
joth (1): Faust
EFHW (1): arch

Not Voting (4): Voltaire, jotheonah, xeiron, EFHW

With 7 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day2 is 8 days and will be February 14 at 8 pm forum time.

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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #811 on: February 14, 2014, 09:37:20 am »

That should say 4 to lynch.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #812 on: February 14, 2014, 09:37:29 am »

Oh shit. It looks like he might not respawn until tonight?
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #813 on: February 14, 2014, 09:38:19 am »

it looks like if Eevee does come back to life, it won't be until tomorrow. Guess the next thing is to look back at his posts and see if they yield any insights.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #814 on: February 14, 2014, 09:45:40 am »

Except we still don't know if green even means town. So maybe Eevee WILL be scum.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #815 on: February 14, 2014, 09:53:40 am »

I think it is just as good that that Eevee is not immediately respawned.
He has posted V/la, and will probably not show up for the rest of the day. Now we do not need his vote to lynch.
I think it would be bad for us to lynch him now anyway. He should get a chance to speak up after getting a new PM.

I will vote for either EFHW or Jotheonah.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #816 on: February 14, 2014, 10:04:34 am »

and xe, why are you voting for me? and also faust.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #817 on: February 14, 2014, 10:05:37 am »

I don't know, I don't have the brainpower/attention/focus for this game at the levels I normally do right now, I guess I would vote for xeiron/jotheonah...EFHW? Those three.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #818 on: February 14, 2014, 10:13:16 am »

vote:xeiron I guess.
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« Reply #819 on: February 14, 2014, 10:18:41 am »

vote: xeiron

FYI I will not be around at deadline.
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« Reply #820 on: February 14, 2014, 10:27:47 am »

resons to vote for Jotheonah:

- He was my top scumread after D1 as explained a earlier post.
vote: Jotheonah.
He have been trying to spread doubt about players;

Not sure what to make of this at all. My gut reaction is to not believe ashersky, but I'm not all about gut reactions. Nonetheless, my conclusion about early ash semi-claims is not to act on them one way or another. No town cred, etc. Whatever scum!ash might have hoped to gain from the claim, we should be careful not to offer. If ash does anything to earn town cred down the line, maybe we give some more weight to the claim.

Not a fan of the day 1 mass claim, as per usual.
is it weird that Eevee is defending Ash's claim and Ash is nowhere to be seen?
Works for whom, that's the question.

And he have proposed lynches that is not really the best for eliminating scum.
You know what,

Vote:ashersky

Last game, he claimed off the bat, got town cred for it, and survived off that cred until the end of the game -- despite many people voicing concerns over his towniness. The fact is, FoSes without votes are just fine for scum.

Let's try lynching him this time! Even if he's town, at least we're not losing a useful power role.
Hey EFHW, your power is negative utility? Do you want a new one? We could lynch you! And test the everyone has two lives theory.

In general, it seems to me like Jotheonah is looking for reasons to lynch people, not looking for scum.

- He is a vig (dayvig, true, but still a vig) and we already have a confirmed town vig in Ashersky.
I have more beliefe in one town and one scum vig, than two town vigs.


resons not to vote Jotheonah

- From the top of my head, his actions D2 has been pretty towny.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #821 on: February 14, 2014, 10:42:48 am »

Reasons to vote EFHW:

- She has a role that would be useful for scum. (and aslo for town, but not as much.)
- The whole "do not target me, or bad things will happen" situation would be very convenient for scum
- She is hard to read, and a good scumplayer, and could be scum even though I have not noticed any explicit scummy actions from her.

reasons not vote EFHW

- Have few scummy posts. Less than Jotheonah, as an example.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #822 on: February 14, 2014, 10:43:32 am »

vote: xeiron

FYI I will not be around at deadline.
vote:xeiron I guess.

Why vote for me?
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #823 on: February 14, 2014, 10:44:17 am »

and xe, why are you voting for me? and also faust.

I think you used your power in a scummy way. You could have just waited. You jumping at xeiron only strengthen my perception. And the point xeiron makes about two vigs makes a lot of sense as well.
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Re: Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14) - Day2
« Reply #824 on: February 14, 2014, 10:44:59 am »

vote: xeiron

FYI I will not be around at deadline.

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