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[Voltaire]

Voltaire, are you a compulsive Gladiator every Day?

No*

[faust]

Bleh, I don't like this. Like, at all. I'm getting a feeling that this is Town vs Town. Now all we can discuss is choosing between ash and Voltaire, every other possible interaction this Day is killed off. Nothing to analyze. Voltaire, weren't you the PoE instead of scum reads D1 guy? What happened to that?

[Voltaire]

Voltaire, weren't you the PoE instead of scum reads D1 guy? What happened to that?

Yes, I am. Suffice to say it has not been working lately. But more importantly, it isn't so much that ash is a scum read (though I am seeing it in all of his posts, I am trying to fight it, I can never tell what is going on) it's the claim that simply does not match up. It reeks of fakeclaim and I haven't ever seen ash lie as town.

I'll say it now, I'm never good at dancing around these things, I'm hiding a twist to my role. I am fairly confident this is the right move.

I wanted the soft deadline so we could have some of a normal D1 before this. I completely disagree that there is nothing to analyze.

[faust]

Took a little time to reread Voltaire. Very consistent in what he does, everything hints that he had something like his planned. Just for the record, what would have happened if we had lynched ashersky before you could challenge him?

Maybe we want Voltaire to flavor claim? Could be helpful to see if his role fits the flavor. And we might want ash to claim.

I'm less sure about Voltaire now. What he did and how he did it is quite unusual, and I expect scum to take the more "usual" approach.

Unvote

[Voltaire]

Just for the record, what would have happened if we had lynched ashersky before you could challenge him?

Pretty sure I would have been modkilled, hence the panic.

[faust]

Voltaire's role also doesn't look like a scum role. A scum team here would have 2 members, right? If one of them challenges D1, there's a 50% chance of town hitting scum D1, leaving the other team member alone. I find it hard to see such a role as balanced.

I really look forward to reading other people's thoughts on this!

[Voltaire]

Will flavor-claim if that becomes the consensus.

[EFHW]

Did you have to challenge ashersky?

[Voltaire]

Did you have to challenge ashersky?

What do you mean? I had to challenge someone, I chose ashersky.

If this is just a rhetorical expressing a wish that I didn't, noted.

[ashersky]

We need to see some mod confirmation that volt isn't lying.  I'd wait for a vote count with wiped votes before believing the guy.

If it's real, we should both full claim before deciding who dies.

[ashersky]

More certain ash is scum. Unfortunately the reasons relate to an ongoing game.

Just noticed this.  You realize I'm not in any ongoing games?

Yes you are.

What?  If so, I've been lurking for weeks.  And didnt know I was signed up.

[ashersky]

I would point out a few things:

--the last gladiator in an f.ds game was both compulsive AND scum
--just because Voltaire may have a compulsive anti-town role, that is a terrible reason to assume I'm fake claiming a non-compulsive anti-town role.

[Eevee]

It's a weird "take a leap of faith on one claim over another" situation we have here.

[EFHW]

We need to see some mod confirmation that volt isn't lying.  I'd wait for a vote count with wiped votes before believing the guy.

If it's real, we should both full claim before deciding who dies.

I agree.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Well this is interesting...

I guess it has the main effect of simplifying things. Now it's just a binary decision for today, right? And not entirely disagreeable to me, as it's between two of my scumreads--although it is slightly annoying to have our options curtailed like that.

My first thought was that it does seem like a townier claim than not, with reasoning along the line of faust's most recent post. I guess having this weird situation could explain some of Volt's weird behavior.

But now ash you're saying there's been a scum gladiator in the recent past? Would you mind saying what game it is so I can take a look myself? I don't think I've seen a gladiator in my personal experience on this site...it reminded me a bit of the Desperado role from Grimm, but obviously that was way different and I wasn't even a part of that game.

I agree that I'd like to see a wiped vote count, although I don't think Volt would lie about something that easily verifiable, at least. I also think it's probably best that both of them full claim. I'll keep my vote where it is for now, but I have some thinking and rereading to do...

[EFHW]

Did you have to challenge ashersky?

What do you mean? I had to challenge someone, I chose ashersky.

If this is just a rhetorical expressing a wish that I didn't, noted.

no, it was just the * next to your answering that you don't have to every day, that made me think maybe there has to be a certain set of circumstances that kicks in the compulsive gladiator and picks or constrains who you challenge.

[Voltaire]

More certain ash is scum. Unfortunately the reasons relate to an ongoing game.

Just noticed this.  You realize I'm not in any ongoing games?

Yes you are.

What?  If so, I've been lurking for weeks.  And didnt know I was signed up.

Dynasty Warriors 2. We're both dead in it.

[EFHW]

I would point out a few things:

--the last gladiator in an f.ds game was both compulsive AND scum

Right, that was Voltgloss in LOTR2, which ashersky modded.  That was a complicated game!

Voltgloss got A LOT of mileage out of that role.  He was practically IC (though I think yuma suspected him, iirc). Town was only saved by Jimmmmmm who was a survivor (that day) and decided to take town's side.

[Voltaire]

But now ash you're saying there's been a scum gladiator in the recent past? Would you mind saying what game it is so I can take a look myself? I don't think I've seen a gladiator in my personal experience on this site...it reminded me a bit of the Desperado role from Grimm, but obviously that was way different and I wasn't even a part of that game.

Voltgloss in LotR2 I think? It's the only time I've encountered the role before this game.

PPE: EFHW

[EFHW]

Having only two choices can be a bummer for town, but otoh, the development of the game was getting kind of arrested.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Booooooooooooooooooooooo

[EFHW]

Booooooooooooooooooooooo

and you were my inspiration!

[Voltaire]

Having only two choices can be a bummer for town, but otoh, the development of the game was getting kind of arrested.

First: 

Second, I feel better about this. ash's first reaction is to imply that maybe I'm faking an impossible-to-fake role.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Booooooooooooooooooooooo

and you were my inspiration!

Hahaha I meant that "boo" in the most good-natured way possible

[EFHW]

Having only two choices can be a bummer for town, but otoh, the development of the game was getting kind of arrested.

First: 

Second, I feel better about this. ash's first reaction is to imply that maybe I'm faking an impossible-to-fake role.

Voltaire, you said before that you were trying to resist seeing ashersky's posts as scummy.  Why would you do that?  Doesn't that contradict your choosing to challenge him?