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[mcmcsalot]

Eevee, how come we seem to look at ever interaction so far and view it in exactly opposite ways.

This really worries me, I mean raerae has been called out before for faking outrage but I don't think this one was faked, it seemed more like she was as I said making herself look good, I didn't take it as scummy fake anger.

Also ill refresh my reads and explain sometime today probably on my lunch break.

[Eevee]

Well, I explained my position on raerae, the outrage felt over the top, fake or not. I'm leaning fake partially due to suspecting raerae for other reasons.

You thinking there is a good chance TA-ash is scum on scum is just very scummy to me. Can you explain that a bit? Like, why would they intentionally make it "me or you" if they were both scum?

[Jimmmmm]

You thinking there is a good chance TA-ash is scum on scum is just very scummy to me. Can you explain that a bit? Like, why would they intentionally make it "me or you" if they were both scum?

I don't believe they're both scum, but I would have thought the answer to this question was fairly apparent.

[Eevee]

You thinking there is a good chance TA-ash is scum on scum is just very scummy to me. Can you explain that a bit? Like, why would they intentionally make it "me or you" if they were both scum?

I don't believe they're both scum, but I would have thought the answer to this question was fairly apparent.

Well, is it good strategy, is it likely they realized its good strategy and decided to try to pull it off, or is it a mistake they are for some reason making? Like sure, making the other an ic (would it even?), I know. Anything is possible, I find mcmc thinking that's more likely suspect as scum would love to lynch first one then the other if its town on town.

[mcmcsalot]

You thinking there is a good chance TA-ash is scum on scum is just very scummy to me. Can you explain that a bit? Like, why would they intentionally make it "me or you" if they were both scum?

I don't believe they're both scum, but I would have thought the answer to this question was fairly apparent.

Well, is it good strategy, is it likely they realized its good strategy and decided to try to pull it off, or is it a mistake they are for some reason making? Like sure, making the other an ic (would it even?), I know. Anything is possible, I find mcmc thinking that's more likely suspect as scum would love to lynch first one then the other if its town on town.

I don't think it's scum/scum, I think ash is scum, if ash flips town I think TA is scum. If ash is scum I doesn't mean TA is scum, I just think them both being scum is more likely than ash being town simply because he has dominated 100% I the conversation this game. And he picked all(other than TA) townies in his want to lynch list. No way town ash is that wrong and controls that muc of the convo and yells at people for the one thing we have done all game that actually resulted in scum getting lynched. I can't see it.

[Jimmmmm]

No way town ash is that wrong and controls that muc of the convo and yells at people for the one thing we have done all game that actually resulted in scum getting lynched. I can't see it.

You realise this is ash we're talking about right?

[mcmcsalot]

No way town ash is that wrong and controls that muc of the convo and yells at people for the one thing we have done all game that actually resulted in scum getting lynched. I can't see it.

You realise this is ash we're talking about right?

Yes, I realize he goes to very strange extremes to help his team, this often involves doin things that look crazy but eventually prove to have been useful, he has hurt town all of this game, that's not like town ash.

[mcmcsalot]

mod request: could the first post be updated with the current information and day start links.

My hard drive burned out a few days ago so I am limited to phone access and will be for the next week. (Stupid me for now backing up my OS so I have to wait for a windows disk) I would very much appreciate the update as it makes navigation much easier. Thanks!

[mcmcsalot]

Also does someone want to print screen all the flavor for me? It's not right and he did day someone's flavor is important. I know the movie almost by heart and there are distinct differences in yuma's flavor to the movie...

[Eevee]

Oh, the flavor means something!? I hadn't even heard of the movie before, and I've been skipping flavor altogether.

[mcmcsalot]

Volt, your reads list you posted a while back seemed driven by anger/frustration.

I get that, but sometime during twilight, think you could post your reads and rough reasons without the red haze of anger over them?  Even if it's the same list, just one that talks about why you think people are scummy that isn't only about your lynch.

I know I've been arguing that a lot of votes on you wagon were scummy, so I'm interested where you think I'm right and where I'm not.

I have no idea where you think anger/frustration came into my reads. Here they are again, with lite explanation:

ash - perfectly set up my lynch. If I had been awake last night and claimed my real PR, he would have hammered me anyway. I stand by what I said - either ash is scum, or he's been easily the worst town player (see: all the stuff he did earlier in the day too)
chairs - I mean, it's my original scum read.
mcmc - has been very scummy lately (chiefly with his votes, but also no reads)
Robz - always an enigma
TA - was very towny at the start of the day, then I started to get worried by his seemingly being willing to hang back stance. If chairs is town, this makes TA look very scummy.
Jimmmm - needs to post more
Eevee - we're into town reads here, but Eevee is the weakest simply because TownEevee is WAY more helpful.
nkirbit - actually a bit of a null
lio - town
raerae/shraeye - town, documented elsewhere
UmbrageOfSnow - duh

This is neeto burrito, I kind of agree. I think ash TA chairs eevee Jimm are the places scum is hiding. So me lio, raerae, are town. Ash eevee as I said makes quite some sense. That would be my best guess.

[Twistedarcher]

Also does someone want to print screen all the flavor for me? It's not right and he did day someone's flavor is important. I know the movie almost by heart and there are distinct differences in yuma's flavor to the movie...

What? Is flavor important? I know that one flavor name = one role, but besides that, I didn't know it mattered.

PPE: Eevee agrees!

[Twistedarcher]

Volt, your reads list you posted a while back seemed driven by anger/frustration.

I get that, but sometime during twilight, think you could post your reads and rough reasons without the red haze of anger over them?  Even if it's the same list, just one that talks about why you think people are scummy that isn't only about your lynch.

I know I've been arguing that a lot of votes on you wagon were scummy, so I'm interested where you think I'm right and where I'm not.

I have no idea where you think anger/frustration came into my reads. Here they are again, with lite explanation:

ash - perfectly set up my lynch. If I had been awake last night and claimed my real PR, he would have hammered me anyway. I stand by what I said - either ash is scum, or he's been easily the worst town player (see: all the stuff he did earlier in the day too)
chairs - I mean, it's my original scum read.
mcmc - has been very scummy lately (chiefly with his votes, but also no reads)
Robz - always an enigma
TA - was very towny at the start of the day, then I started to get worried by his seemingly being willing to hang back stance. If chairs is town, this makes TA look very scummy.
Jimmmm - needs to post more
Eevee - we're into town reads here, but Eevee is the weakest simply because TownEevee is WAY more helpful.
nkirbit - actually a bit of a null
lio - town
raerae/shraeye - town, documented elsewhere
UmbrageOfSnow - duh

This is neeto burrito, I kind of agree. I think ash TA chairs eevee Jimm are the places scum is hiding. So me lio, raerae, are town. Ash eevee as I said makes quite some sense. That would be my best guess.

I disagree, I would not be surprised if there's a scum in lio/raerae

[mcmcsalot]

Oh, the flavor means something!? I hadn't even heard of the movie before, and I've been skipping flavor altogether.

I'm not sure it means anything. Just we ARE the flavor, and lets just say our characters are not all doing what they are supposed to. Certain characters have stolen other characters lines while the other character was alive, and I don't know the reason for it.

[Twistedarcher]

To Mcmc (and anyone else who thinks Chairs isn't town):

Why don't you think Chairs is town? Yes, bussing is a thing, but D1, I don't think it makes sense. Nkirbit had several wagons he could have jumped on -- if Ash is town, he could have jumped on that, he could have moved over to Voltaire, he could have moved over to Mcmc when several people were saying to move over to Mcmc. But he stayed on Chairs throughout it all/

If Chairs is scum, you're saying that Nkirbit chose to bus his fellow scum member D1, and actively push the "chairs is scummy" case, rather than hopping on the alternative town wagon. You're also saying that you don't believe Chairs' VT claim.

I'm pretty sure that Chairs is town here. Can someone who doesn't think it explain why they don't, cause I'm not seeing Chairs as scum whatsoever.

[mcmcsalot]

Does eevee feel off to anyone else?

Also man Jimm really has minimal content. I guess we are all lacking major content. The lack of mafia enthusiasm isn't only making starting a game difficult.

[Twistedarcher]

The fact that Nkirbit was scum, and chose to hop on Chairs rather than joining in with Ashersky's wagon, and then started actively scumhunting on Ash's wagon (a different route than Robz, who tried to argue town people on the Ashersky wagon down), is one of the biggest reasons why I think that Ashersky is Nkirbit's buddy.

[mcmcsalot]

To Mcmc (and anyone else who thinks Chairs isn't town):

Why don't you think Chairs is town? Yes, bussing is a thing, but D1, I don't think it makes sense. Nkirbit had several wagons he could have jumped on -- if Ash is town, he could have jumped on that, he could have moved over to Voltaire, he could have moved over to Mcmc when several people were saying to move over to Mcmc. But he stayed on Chairs throughout it all/

If Chairs is scum, you're saying that Nkirbit chose to bus his fellow scum member D1, and actively push the "chairs is scummy" case, rather than hopping on the alternative town wagon. You're also saying that you don't believe Chairs' VT claim.

I'm pretty sure that Chairs is town here. Can someone who doesn't think it explain why they don't, cause I'm not seeing Chairs as scum whatsoever.

Oh god we've missed that analysis ugh. Can someone find that post that has us on both of the wagons? I think I actually can find it. We should then fill in people's alignment and figure things like TA just said out.

[Eevee]

Yuma, is the flavor just flavor, or should we try to read into it?

Mcmc and  others suspecting me, could you build a case? Also why are lio and raerae towny? We seem to be 100% disagreeing here, which is super interesting. Actually I'm really very interested in all of mcmc's reads and explanations.

[Twistedarcher]

Does eevee feel off to anyone else?

Also man Jimm really has minimal content. I guess we are all lacking major content. The lack of mafia enthusiasm isn't only making starting a game difficult.

Nope. I don't think Eevee is off. Could be that he's just agreeing with me and my Ash case, but he and CHairs are my strongest town reads.

[Eevee]

To Mcmc (and anyone else who thinks Chairs isn't town):

Why don't you think Chairs is town? Yes, bussing is a thing, but D1, I don't think it makes sense. Nkirbit had several wagons he could have jumped on -- if Ash is town, he could have jumped on that, he could have moved over to Voltaire, he could have moved over to Mcmc when several people were saying to move over to Mcmc. But he stayed on Chairs throughout it all/

If Chairs is scum, you're saying that Nkirbit chose to bus his fellow scum member D1, and actively push the "chairs is scummy" case, rather than hopping on the alternative town wagon. You're also saying that you don't believe Chairs' VT claim.

I'm pretty sure that Chairs is town here. Can someone who doesn't think it explain why they don't, cause I'm not seeing Chairs as scum whatsoever.

This is an excellent post, that's just a vital piece of information I had forgotten.  I was PoE'ing myself into suspecting chairs due to his playing pretty null, but this not only alleviates the issues I had with chairs also makes me trust TA more (well, this is assuming they aren't the scum team, in which case TA's post is just genius and scum got sort of lucky the chips fell the way they did).

[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 1.18

"Where did the weapon go?" asked The Cook. "Can't we use that as a piece of evidence and for fingerprints?" she asked The Cop.

The Cop agreed, but apparently no one had thought to grab the Candlestick from upstairs. The group left the Study and ran up the stairs to the room that yuma was found in.

"Where did it go?" asked Mrs. White. "It was here on the floor when Professor Plum found yuma."

"Are you sure it was in this room?" asked Yvette the Maid. "Let's look in the other rooms to make sure."

Professor Plum, Mrs. White, Mr. Boddy and Col. Mustard were left in the room as the others went to check the other rooms.

Each room was as empty of candlesticks as the other. Everyone was very confused and were even more confused when a loud sound of a door being slammed was heard.

Suddenly The Cook, The Cop, Mrs. Peacock and The Mechanic were locked inside one of the rooms.

"Let us out, let us out!" they shouted!

"Let us in, let us in!" shouted everyone else.



Voltaire (6): shraeye, mcmcsalot, chairs, Jimmmm, TA, Robz (L-1)
chairs (6): nkirbit, Voltaire, Eevee, raerae, liopoil, Snow (L-1)
mcmcsalot: (1) ashersky


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day1 ends July 22nd at 10:30 a.m. forum time.

[Eevee]

Does eevee feel off to anyone else?

Also man Jimm really has minimal content. I guess we are all lacking major content. The lack of mafia enthusiasm isn't only making starting a game difficult.

Dude, you are the one who still hasn't explained any of his reads. I don't think everyone here lacks content.

[Eevee]

I'm starting to feel mcmc doesn't have any genuine reads and is just shooting suspicion everywhere to see what sticks.

[Twistedarcher]

I think people need to go back and look at Nkirbit's interactions more. That's the biggest piece of information we have. And I think there's more reason to link him with Ashersky than with anyone else. The two biggest pieces of information I get from Nkirbit and his interactions D1 are that Ash is probably scum, and Chairs is probably town.

For all the people bemoaning a lack of D2, I don't know if anyone else has really gone back and looked at D1, specifically at Nkirbit and his actions. Do this! It will make catching scum easier!