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[mcmcsalot]

Let me rephrase, ash why do you think I should just vote you instead of no lynch based on my
Previous statement?

[mcmcsalot]

TA is scum = I am pretty sure Eevee is supporting/protecting his partner.  Mcmc and Jimmmmm are possibles.

TA not scum = lessens suspicion on Eevee, of course, so mcmc > Jimmmmm > Eevee.

So what you're saying is that Eevee and I are so obviously scum partners buddying up this much to get one mislynch?

You're really calling an Eevee-TA scumteam here. Do you really think, if we were the team, we'd be this obvious about it? I mean, yeah we could get an Ashersky mislynch if that was the case, but that's not a good scum play.

Aww really TA why you gotta be so scummy

[ashersky]

I understand the theory that no lynch is superior.

If you could end the day by yourself, would you do it by lynching scum or with a no lynch, if those are your only two options?  Mcmc, TA please answer.

[ashersky]

Let me rephrase, ash why do you think I should just vote you instead of no lynch based on my
Previous statement?

I think if you are absolutely sure someone scum, you should lynch scum.  If you honestly believe that I could be town, vote no lynch.

[mcmcsalot]

Oh wow, you guys didn't do all that much other than yell at each other.

Everyone other than TA and Ash, list the following in the order you feel most to least likely.

1) TA town/Ash scum
2) TA scum/Ash town
3) TA town/Ash town
4) TA scum/Ash scum

I believe:

1) TA town/Ash scum
2) TA scum/Ash scum
3) TA scum/Ash town
4) TA town/Ash town

So I would like to lynch ash, but if not I would like to lynch TA because I HIGHLY doubt this is town on town, it looks nothing like the town on town arguments we have seen.

[mcmcsalot]

Let me rephrase, ash why do you think I should just vote you instead of no lynch based on my
Previous statement?

I think if you are absolutely sure someone scum, you should lynch scum.  If you honestly believe that I could be town, vote no lynch.

If I could chose to lynch scum or no lynch I would lynch scum, if there is any chance whatsoever that town would be lynched today, I would no lynch.

[mcmcsalot]

Also your question is quite unsettling a how close it comes to pr fishing. You basically asked me and TA if we had confirmation you were scum. And if I do I would have answered the same way I just did.

[ashersky]

Also your question is quite unsettling a how close it comes to pr fishing. You basically asked me and TA if we had confirmation you were scum. And if I do I would have answered the same way I just did.

How would you have confirmation I'm scum?  Psychologist?  I've laid out how scum is/can be protected from PRs already.  There's zero chance (in my mind) that the Psychologist has a scum result on anyone.

[ashersky]

Also your question is quite unsettling a how close it comes to pr fishing. You basically asked me and TA if we had confirmation you were scum. And if I do I would have answered the same way I just did.

Okay, rephrased:

If you had to end the day, and only you, and your choices were:

1) No Lynch
2) Lynch a player who was mod-confirmed publically in the thread to be 95% scum

Which do you choose?  I believe #2 is the level of conviction TA has that I am scum.  Is it yours?

[chairs]

There's anti-town, and then there's ashersky.  This conversation has gone on long enough, and I don't want to see it tomorrow.  Let's hope our PR benefits tonight from an extra body to save him.

vote: no lynch

[ashersky]

There's anti-town, and then there's ashersky.  This conversation has gone on long enough, and I don't want to see it tomorrow.  Let's hope our PR benefits tonight from an extra body to save him.

vote: no lynch

Since TA unvoted, that's L-1, right?

Do we give raerae time?

[Eevee]

I really dont see ash's point, as I've personally never been 95% sure of anyone being scum without a power role result. Not to put words into TA's mouth, but I think it's perfectly plausible he is campaigning against you this hard and has say 65% confidence in his case.


mcmc, I think town on town is actually very possible here, at least way way more likely than scum on scum. Why do you think it's impossible?

[ashersky]

Oh wow, you guys didn't do all that much other than yell at each other.

Everyone other than TA and Ash, list the following in the order you feel most to least likely.

1) TA town/Ash scum
2) TA scum/Ash town
3) TA town/Ash town
4) TA scum/Ash scum

I believe:

1) TA town/Ash scum
2) TA scum/Ash scum
3) TA scum/Ash town
4) TA town/Ash town

So I would like to lynch ash, but if not I would like to lynch TA because I HIGHLY doubt this is town on town, it looks nothing like the town on town arguments we have seen.

From a neutral standpoint, if possible, I'd say "most likely" is:

town/town > scum/town > scum/scum

TA should agree with that line of reasoning, since he can say this: "I know scum/scum is impossible, because I am town" as often as I can.

[raerae]

Ok, back and around 75% capacity.  Thoughts!

1. TA looks way scummier than Ash.  Like super scummy.  Like, usually I'm good at pegging town v town and this doesn't give me that same vibe and TA has been shadetacular all game.  This would be my preferred lynch if we don't no lynch.
2. mcmc swoops in and says his D1 reads haven't changed but STILL hasn't explained them.  Gives very little input on anything.  Pegs Ash as scummier than TA but then calls TA scummy too soooooo...I don't understand. 
3. chairs.  Is he still in this game?  Has he contributed anything?  Like, ever?  Scum doesn't really seem to be shooting for PRs (shraeye and Robz?  Really?)  So...why is the claimed "vt" still alive?
4.  Eevee is back and up to snuff, I don't understand Ash's accusations here.
5.  Jimmmmmmm, ever the mystery.  Helpful and townie.  But he was in LOTR too.  All the same, leaning townie.
6.  Lio, no lynch suggestion is pretty townie.  Had it come later, like after the Ash/TA thing, then I'd think he was trying to protect one of them but scum would still want to get a mislynch off today if possible so, townish.

PPE:  So...chairs, did you realize you put no lynch at L-1 or did you think that was the hammer?

[ashersky]

I admit my scum read on Eevee may be frustration with him.

[Eevee]

Liopoil, why have you done so little in this game?

No one else calling liopoil out makes me all the more interested in pursuing this further. We'll probably rush to no lynch before lio answers, so if I die, I think you should consider lio even without me being here to suggest it.

[Eevee]

I admit my scum read on Eevee may be frustration with him.

Frustration due to me reading you incorrectly and siding with ta, or for something else?

Fwiw I see merit in your accusations and could really see TA being scum or you both being town. I come off too anti-ash because I dislike the way you present some of your arguments, and I apologize for it.

[Twistedarcher]

I understand the theory that no lynch is superior.

If you could end the day by yourself, would you do it by lynching scum or with a no lynch, if those are your only two options?  Mcmc, TA please answer.

If I could guarantee that we'd no-lynch, THEN 100% lynch scum tomorrow, I'd do that over 100% lynching scum today. Gives a possible psychologist one more chance for a positive investigation, while it wouldn't affect the detective.

Same if you replace 95% for 100%

[Twistedarcher]

Also your question is quite unsettling a how close it comes to pr fishing. You basically asked me and TA if we had confirmation you were scum. And if I do I would have answered the same way I just did.

How would you have confirmation I'm scum?  Psychologist?  I've laid out how scum is/can be protected from PRs already.  There's zero chance (in my mind) that the Psychologist has a scum result on anyone.

A psychologist had 2 chances to get a positive result N1. Either 0 or 1 chances to get a positive result N2 (depending on if Nkirbit was the mafia to kill N1). There's not a zero chance psychologist has a scum result (unless you're saying that it's unlikely because they would have already claimed, that I would agree with.)

There's no way for scum to protect against BOTH the psychologist and the detective. If we no-lynch, there's a greater-than-zero chance of getting a positive response. Either 0 or 1 scum would generate a positive result for the psychologist tonight, while 1 or 2 scum would generate a positive result for the detective tonight.

[yuma]

Vote Count 3.6

Soon the missionary was done with the phone. But when he went to open the door the handle was locked. Why was the door locked.

But even more confusing, the phone rang!

The missionary answered it as the rest of the guests alarmingly looked at each other. Who could be calling?

Soon the missionary was pounding on the door. "Let me outta here! Let me outta here! You have no right to shut me in! I'll use the power of God to smite you down to purgatory for... for wrongful imprisonment, and obstructing a missionary in the course of his duty... and MURDER!"

"MURDER?" asked Yvette the Maid as she opened the door. "What do you mean murder?"

"I just said it so you would open the door. What's going on around here? And why would you lock me in? And why are you receiving phone calls from someone named yuma... what kind of a name is that?"

No lynch: (4) liopoil, Jimmmmmm, mcmc, chairs (L-1)
TA: (1) ashersky

Not voting: (3) raerae, TA, Eevee

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline for Day3 is August 6 at 2 pm forum time.

Also note that if no-lynch is decided upon there will still be a significant length of time for twilight.

[ashersky]

There's no way for scum to protect against BOTH the psychologist and the detective. If we no-lynch, there's a greater-than-zero chance of getting a positive response. Either 0 or 1 scum would generate a positive result for the psychologist tonight, while 1 or 2 scum would generate a positive result for the detective tonight.

I agree here, with your first line, and is why I don't think no lynch is a scummy thing at all.  No need to rush into it, though.

[Twistedarcher]

I'd say town/scum is more likely than town/town, since I think Ash is scum, but yes I agree with Ash's main point.

[ashersky]

I understand the theory that no lynch is superior.

If you could end the day by yourself, would you do it by lynching scum or with a no lynch, if those are your only two options?  Mcmc, TA please answer.

If I could guarantee that we'd no-lynch, THEN 100% lynch scum tomorrow, I'd do that over 100% lynching scum today. Gives a possible psychologist one more chance for a positive investigation, while it wouldn't affect the detective.

Same if you replace 95% for 100%

Even if you take into consideration the extra opportunity for scum to NK the PR?  I do note that whether scum is lynched today or tomorrow, the PR could die tonight.  My point is that one scum tonight deciding what to do is better than two scum tonight deciding what to do, because:

1)  One scum alive means there's zilch they can do to dodge the detective.
2)  One scum alive means it's completely on them to pick a target, with no one to discuss it with.  (This matters; look at scum QTs)
3)  One scum alive means we killed another scum!

[Twistedarcher]

Liopoil, why have you done so little in this game?

No one else calling liopoil out makes me all the more interested in pursuing this further. We'll probably rush to no lynch before lio answers, so if I die, I think you should consider lio even without me being here to suggest it.

I just can't imagine scum Liopoil playing this quietly, I dunno. I've been more concerned with Ash today. I'd love for Lio to weigh in more, though, of course!

[ashersky]

Liopoil, why have you done so little in this game?

No one else calling liopoil out makes me all the more interested in pursuing this further. We'll probably rush to no lynch before lio answers, so if I die, I think you should consider lio even without me being here to suggest it.

Very good point.  He and chairs both.  Liopoil moreso, although chairs has just been riding his VT claim all game.  Thing is, that's exactly what I would expect to happen if chairs is a VT.