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Actually Passable Card Ideas
« on: March 22, 2020, 06:20:25 pm »
+3

Anything that's too good for RBCI goes here.  Bonus points if you already posted it in RBCI previously.

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Way

(Once per turn) You may play an Action card from your hand twice.

I'm sure I have more.  I love whimsical concepts and workable mechanics, but this one was extremely straightlaced, aside from breaking a naming convention.

Not sure this one really adds enough to be worth including, but whatever:

Way of the Dove
Way

If this is an Attack, +1 VP.
Otherwise:
 +1 Card
 +1 Action

Play-as-cantrip ability alone makes it quite usable without Attacks on the board.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2020, 06:54:04 pm »
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Anything that's too good for RBCI goes here.  Bonus points if you already posted it in RBCI previously.

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Way

(Once per turn) You may play an Action card from your hand twice.

I'm sure I have more.  I love whimsical concepts and workable mechanics, but this one was extremely straightlaced, aside from breaking a naming convention.

What about "Way of the Cheetah"?
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2020, 07:16:13 pm »
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Anything that's too good for RBCI goes here.  Bonus points if you already posted it in RBCI previously.

Audience
Way

(Once per turn) You may play an Action card from your hand twice.

I'm sure I have more.  I love whimsical concepts and workable mechanics, but this one was extremely straightlaced, aside from breaking a naming convention.

What about "Way of the Cheetah"?

I just like the way it's named now.  I don't believe in "Way of the [animal]" as a hard rule.  It's also very descriptive and easy to remember what it does.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2020, 07:37:03 pm »
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Admiral Of The Guild
Action-Duration-Command
+1 Buy
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When you buy this, you may overpay for it. If you do, set this aside, and at the start of your next turn, play a non-Duration Action card from the Supply costing up to per you overpaid, leaving it there.
Here's one that, with the help of Minotaur and my general stupidity when it comes to card designing, ended up kinda nice, if I do say so myself. An overpay Band of Misfits!
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2020, 07:38:17 pm »
+3

Anything that's too good for RBCI goes here.  Bonus points if you already posted it in RBCI previously.

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Way

(Once per turn) You may play an Action card from your hand twice.

I'm sure I have more.  I love whimsical concepts and workable mechanics, but this one was extremely straightlaced, aside from breaking a naming convention.

What about "Way of the Cheetah"?

I just like the way it's named now.  I don't believe in "Way of the [animal]" as a hard rule.  It's also very descriptive and easy to remember what it does.

Fair enough. Though I did think of an even better animal. Cheetah was because of their speed, but better yet:
Way of the Lion (being King of the Jungle)
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2020, 07:45:00 pm »
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Admiral Of The Guild
Action-Duration-Command
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When you buy this, you may overpay for it. If you do, set this aside, and at the start of your next turn, play a non-Duration Action card from the Supply costing up to per you overpaid, leaving it there.
Here's one that, with the help of Minotaur and my general stupidity when it comes to card designing, ended up kinda nice, if I do say so myself. An overpay Band of Misfits!

Seems kind of weak, but maybe there are finesse plays where you will know what you want next turn.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2020, 07:46:33 pm »
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Fair enough. Though I did think of an even better animal. Cheetah was because of their speed, but better yet:
Way of the Lion (being King of the Jungle)

If the naming convention were enforced, I'd pick that.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2020, 08:51:57 pm »
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Admiral Of The Guild
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Here's one that, with the help of Minotaur and my general stupidity when it comes to card designing, ended up kinda nice, if I do say so myself. An overpay Band of Misfits!

Why is it a duration?
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2020, 10:18:32 pm »
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Why is it a duration?

I'm assuming the on-buy causes it to stay in play "until it stops doing something" like a Duration card, but it's not quite worded clearly.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2020, 10:59:27 pm »
+1

Anything that's too good for RBCI goes here.  Bonus points if you already posted it in RBCI previously.

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Way

(Once per turn) You may play an Action card from your hand twice.

I'm sure I have more.  I love whimsical concepts and workable mechanics, but this one was extremely straightlaced, aside from breaking a naming convention.

What about "Way of the Cheetah"?

I just like the way it's named now.  I don't believe in "Way of the [animal]" as a hard rule.  It's also very descriptive and easy to remember what it does.

Fair enough. Though I did think of an even better animal. Cheetah was because of their speed, but better yet:
Way of the Lion (being King of the Jungle)
LOL! The f.ds extension picked up on Fair !
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2020, 12:47:05 am »
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Why is it a duration?

I'm assuming the on-buy causes it to stay in play "until it stops doing something" like a Duration card, but it's not quite worded clearly.
Yeah, that was my thought process. Although I see now that it doesn't actually need to be, like Horse Traders.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2020, 08:30:34 am »
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LOL! The f.ds extension picked up on Fair !

I've also seen that with Haven't. (it interprets the apostrophe as an end-of-word marker, I think)
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2020, 08:49:18 am »
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LOL! The f.ds extension picked up on Fair !

I've also seen that with Haven't. (it interprets the apostrophe as an end-of-word marker, I think)

Which makes sense, as we tend to use possessives when talking about cards, such as Young Witch's bane.
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2020, 10:14:32 am »
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LOL! The f.ds extension picked up on Fair !

I've also seen that with Haven't. (it interprets the apostrophe as an end-of-word marker, I think)

I fixed the Haven't issue a few versions ago. Sadly I had to do it by manually looking for "Haven't" and ignoring it; because we DO want apostrophes to count as end-of-word normally.

There were versions that didn't care about capitalization, or even having an end-of-word at all, but that led to way too many false positives.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2020, 07:40:09 pm »
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Ok, I have too many to go through, but I found this one.  (The "start of cleanup phase" clause was a change to prevent infinite combos with tokens or whatever):

Split pile, 5/5.

Town Drunk
Action-Reserve
Cost: $3

Place this on your Tavern mat.
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You may Call this during your turn for +$2.


Bartender
Action
Cost: $5

+1 Card
+1 Action
At the start of your cleanup phase, you may put a Reserve card in play onto your Tavern mat.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2020, 10:44:50 pm »
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Here's one I posted in RBCI that became an actual card:

Professor Oak - Action - $5

Discard your hand.
+7 Cards

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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2020, 11:42:20 pm »
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Here's one I posted in RBCI that became an actual card:

Professor Oak - Action - $5

Discard your hand.
+7 Cards

Huh. You predicted Scholar. Nice.
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2020, 10:23:07 am »
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Printing Press - Action
Draw as many cards as you can
Discard 10 cards

(Not sure how much that ought to cost, nor whether 10 is the right number, but the concept seems sound.)
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2020, 10:56:08 pm »
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Homeopath
Action-Attack ($6)


+$3


Each other player gains 2 coppers onto their deck

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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2020, 12:22:35 am »
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Here's an actually passable card idea:

Mask - $2
Action
You may pass this to the player on your left.
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2020, 12:26:24 am »
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Here's an actually passable card idea:

Mask - $2
Action
You may pass this to the player on your left.

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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2020, 12:43:15 am »
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Homeopath
Action-Attack ($6)


+$3


Each other player gains 2 coppers onto their deck
Play 3 per turn and your opponent can't do anything. And coppers run out so much slower than curses.
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2020, 11:14:00 am »
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I feel like this is turning into another RBCI now.  As I type this, I'm super tempted to post Stonks here, even though it's a bit too silly for APCI.  I mean, it would be a playable and somewhat interesting card, but I also don't think it adds enough to the game to justify its existence in real life, either.
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2020, 11:18:08 am »
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I had a modern-themed satirical Dominion set a while ago called DimOnion:  Modern Times.  My favorite is Google, which would need an appropriate re-theme to be a vanilla Dominion card.  But here it is:

Google
Action
Cost: $4

Reveal a card from your hand.  Name a cheaper card.  Reveal cards from your deck until you find a copy of the cheaper card.  Put it in your hand and discard the others.


Bonus:
Kids These Days
Action
Cost: $2

+1 Card
+1 Action
Each player may trash a card from their hand to gain a cheaper card into their hand.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2020, 05:46:48 pm »
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Homeopath
Action-Attack ($6)


+$3


Each other player gains 2 coppers onto their deck
Play 3 per turn and your opponent can't do anything. And coppers run out so much slower than curses.
I wouldn't call a guaranteed 5$/turn "not doing anything"
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2020, 09:11:15 pm »
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Homeopath
Action-Attack ($6)


+$3


Each other player gains 2 coppers onto their deck
Play 3 per turn and your opponent can't do anything. And coppers run out so much slower than curses.
I wouldn't call a guaranteed 5$/turn "not doing anything"

No, but if you can consistently play 3 a turn, then you are guaranteeing that you can get at least a turn (Province every time) and that they can get no more than a turn (Duchy every time). You can double their , and they have no control over it. You might as well replace them with a bot that buys a Duchy every turn, because that's their only (slim) hope at winning. They have no control, and in that sense they can do nothing.
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2020, 03:51:36 pm »
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I actually am curious how you play this.  It's actually sort of a finesse card and do you buy one for $3 on first shuffle?  I don't know!  On the surface it's sort of like Stockpile, but the differences are actually quite huge after thinking about it for a minute.  If you cycle them, then they end up just being a Silver that eventually vanishes.  Which might be good!

Black Lotus
Treasure
Cost: $1

+1 Buy
+$3
Trash this card
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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2020, 04:46:52 pm »
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Liquidate
Event
Cost: $5

Trash your hand.  +1 Coffer per card.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2020, 06:00:15 pm »
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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2020, 07:23:09 pm »
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I actually am curious how you play this.  It's actually sort of a finesse card and do you buy one for $3 on first shuffle?  I don't know!  On the surface it's sort of like Stockpile, but the differences are actually quite huge after thinking about it for a minute.  If you cycle them, then they end up just being a Silver that eventually vanishes.  Which might be good!

Black Lotus
Treasure
Cost: $1

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+$3
Trash this card
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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2020, 07:32:28 pm »
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I actually am curious how you play this.  It's actually sort of a finesse card and do you buy one for $3 on first shuffle?  I don't know!  On the surface it's sort of like Stockpile, but the differences are actually quite huge after thinking about it for a minute.  If you cycle them, then they end up just being a Silver that eventually vanishes.  Which might be good!

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+1 Buy
+$3
Trash this card
The concern here is that it's basically a slightly worse Stockpile.

Maybe it's a Silver that eventually turns into a Gold the last time you play it.  Or it's a really cheap one-shot Stockpile.  Or something in between.  The main problem to me is that if you don't have an extra Buy already, it's mostly Case 1 and maybe you don't get chances to do other things with it.  And maybe you paid $3 for it.  But if Silver is bad, then maybe having it vanish is good for that reason alone.
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« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2020, 08:14:14 am »
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Return this and a card with the same name from your hand to the Supply. Gain a card costing double this cards cost in $.

You may... If you did...

And make it "up to double this card's cost" - otherwise it can never be used on cards costing $5+.

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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2020, 09:15:15 am »
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Way of the Slime
Return this and a card with the same name from your hand to the Supply. Gain a card costing double this cards cost in $.

You may... If you did...

And make it "up to double this card's cost" - otherwise it can never be used on cards costing $5+.

nope. strictly double. no odd valued gains.

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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2020, 12:25:56 pm »
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Way of the Slime
Return this and a card with the same name from your hand to the Supply. Gain a card costing double this cards cost in $.

You may... If you did...

If I'm reading this correctly, all Ways naturally imply "You may" just by being a Way, so that wording isn't necessary. Also, why do Way of the Butterfly and Way of the Rat say "You may...?"
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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2020, 12:36:30 pm »
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Way of the Slime
Return this and a card with the same name from your hand to the Supply. Gain a card costing double this cards cost in $.

You may... If you did...

If I'm reading this correctly, all Ways naturally imply "You may" just by being a Way, so that wording isn't necessary. Also, why do Way of the Butterfly and Way of the Rat say "You may...?"

Most cards that depend on having a card or type in hand are either optional, or ask you to prove you can't follow the instructions.  This isn't about it being a Way or not, this is after you make the choice to invoke Way of Slime:

You may return this and a card with the same name from your hand to the Supply. If you did, gain a card costing double this cards cost in $.

If it's not optional, then the other player doesn't know that you chose not to even though you could.  And I think returning the copy in play should be prevented if the other copy doesn't exist.
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2020, 01:26:27 pm »
+1

You know what.  I can't help it.  I love the Stonks.


Stonks
Treasure
Cost: $7

+1 Buy
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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2020, 01:11:54 pm »
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Not a fully-formed card idea, but a thought that just occurred to me:

Is there any reason a Reaction of the form "Directly after another player finishes playing an Attack card, you may..." wouldn't work, or would be a bad idea?
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2020, 02:11:37 pm »
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Not a fully-formed card idea, but a thought that just occurred to me:

Is there any reason a Reaction of the form "Directly after another player finishes playing an Attack card, you may..." wouldn't work, or would be a bad idea?

One time Donald said something to the effect that if "attack reflection" is too strong, then it effectively removes the Attack from the board.  And then the attack reflection removes itself from the board, since the attack is no longer viable.

This also depends on how good the cards are aside from the attack and reaction.  Sheepdog and Caravan Guard exist and sometimes/explicitly respond to attacks.
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2020, 02:13:35 pm »
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The reaction could be something like "trash a card from your hand", though, and that's not a reflection.
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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2020, 02:19:54 pm »
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So this is my first card idea I'm posting. I wanted to put it in "really bad card ideas" for being off-theme. But I like what it actually does too much.



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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2020, 02:24:50 pm »
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The reaction could be something like "trash a card from your hand", though, and that's not a reflection.

Yeah, I think Donald's argument is good to the extent that the reaction is strong and depends on the choices of other players.  Trashing one card when the attack is played would kind of erase Militia in the early game, and then erase itself, unless playing the action also trashed a card; it would fail very badly here if the reaction goes after resolving the entire attack, though.  This reaction really wants to reduce your handsize before you start discarding.

To counter Torturer, the same effect would have to wait until the Attack fully resolved to be strong.

You could call it Informant or something.  X-D
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2020, 04:50:35 pm »
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Thought of a card for this last weekly contest right after the results were posted:

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$7* - Action
+2 Cards.
+1 Action.
Gain a Horse.
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In games using this at the start of your buy phase, you may reveal and discard the top three cards of your deck. Until the end of your turn, this costs $1 less for each treasure card revealed.
I'd like to make the bottom half less wordy. any ideas?

and a bonus blue dog
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$3 - Action
+2 Cards.
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« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2020, 09:48:49 am »
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The reaction could be something like "trash a card from your hand", though, and that's not a reflection.

Oooh, yes. How about:

Deacon
$2 - Action Reaction

+1 Card
Trash a card from your hand
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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2020, 03:43:19 pm »
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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2020, 02:58:01 am »
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This one's a play on the "Advisor" theme, but I actually like it.  I added a card cost clause to it because I suspect it's more interesting and balanced on more boards with it than without.  For example, if it's only able to target $4 or $5 actions, this can be huge, but maybe there's a really awkward Explorer or Trading Post on the board.  Usually it would just hit another $3, but at least there aren't any boards where it's a $2 action or worse, Ruins.  Might even work with cost reduction on other boards now.

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Action-Command
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2020, 08:25:22 am »
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This one's a play on the "Advisor" theme, but I actually like it.  I added a card cost clause to it because I suspect it's more interesting and balanced on more boards with it than without.  For example, if it's only able to target $4 or $5 actions, this can be huge, but maybe there's a really awkward Explorer or Trading Post on the board.  Usually it would just hit another $3, but at least there aren't any boards where it's a $2 action or worse, Ruins.  Might even work with cost reduction on other boards now.

Supervisor
Action-Command
$3

The player to your left chooses a non-Command Action card from the Supply costing at least $3.  Play it, leaving it there.
The main issue is with forced trashers, i.e. Remake, which means this can be very harmful on certain boards, or just dead.
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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2020, 08:27:23 am »
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This one's a play on the "Advisor" theme, but I actually like it.  I added a card cost clause to it because I suspect it's more interesting and balanced on more boards with it than without.  For example, if it's only able to target $4 or $5 actions, this can be huge, but maybe there's a really awkward Explorer or Trading Post on the board.  Usually it would just hit another $3, but at least there aren't any boards where it's a $2 action or worse, Ruins.  Might even work with cost reduction on other boards now.

Supervisor
Action-Command
$3

The player to your left chooses a non-Command Action card from the Supply costing at least $3.  Play it, leaving it there.
The main issue is with forced trashers, i.e. Remake, which means this can be very harmful on certain boards, or just dead.

yeah, but remake itself can turn into a dead card after a while
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2020, 10:49:12 am »
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I guess Supervisor should cost $2.  Or it could cost $4 and play two differently-named Action cards.  Advisor draws two, so this is on-brand.
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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2020, 03:43:12 pm »
+1

Supervisor
Action-Command
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I use a card just like this except it costs $2 and has an on-gain effect.

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« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2020, 04:33:47 pm »
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Supervisor
Action-Command
$3

The player to your left chooses a non-Command Action card from the Supply costing at least $3.  Play it, leaving it there.

I use a card just like this except it costs $2 and has an on-gain effect.

What does the on-gain do?  Also, I changed it up a little and made a 2nd version:

Supervisor
Action-Command
$2

The player to your left chooses a non-Command Action card from the Supply costing at least $3.  Play it, leaving it there.


EDIT: v2, two cards for more "Advisorly-ness":
Supervisor
Action-Command
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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2020, 07:26:01 pm »
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Supervisor
Action-Command
$3

The player to your left chooses a non-Command Action card from the Supply costing at least $3.  Play it, leaving it there.

I use a card just like this except it costs $2 and has an on-gain effect.

What does the on-gain do?
"When you gain this, trash a card from your hand."
I added this because the way I make kingdoms IRL makes it less likely for there to be any bad or useless actions, so it needed a little more incentive to buy it.
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2020, 04:42:31 pm »
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This one's a play on the "Advisor" theme, but I actually like it.  I added a card cost clause to it because I suspect it's more interesting and balanced on more boards with it than without.  For example, if it's only able to target $4 or $5 actions, this can be huge, but maybe there's a really awkward Explorer or Trading Post on the board.  Usually it would just hit another $3, but at least there aren't any boards where it's a $2 action or worse, Ruins.  Might even work with cost reduction on other boards now.

Supervisor
Action-Command
$3

The player to your left chooses a non-Command Action card from the Supply costing at least $3.  Play it, leaving it there.

This original Supervisor is strictly worse than any $3 non-Command Action, isn't it? (Barring lose-track shenanigans.)  Even at $2, this seems extremely weak. Your v2 might work, but would strongly depend on the kingdom.

What about buffing the card by restricting it to $5+ cards (which are generally more universally good, making the opponent's choice less harmful)?

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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2020, 08:08:53 pm »
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Cost: $5

Return this to the Supply.  Take <1>.  Gain a differently-named Action card having the same cost as this to your hand.  Play it.
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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2020, 08:09:48 pm »
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Way of Contradiction
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Follow the instructions printed on this card.  If you don't, +1 VP.
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« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2020, 01:12:28 am »
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Way of Contradiction
Way

Follow the instructions printed on this card.  If you don't, +1 VP.
+1 VP is hardly overpowered on a terminal but as Way of the Worm already exists I don't see the appeal of this.
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« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2020, 02:44:25 am »
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Way

Follow the instructions printed on this card.  If you don't, +1 VP.
+1 VP is hardly overpowered on a terminal but as Way of the Worm already exists I don't see the appeal of this.

I meant to post this in RBCI actually.  X-P
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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2020, 08:18:22 am »
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Fair enough. Though I did think of an even better animal. Cheetah was because of their speed, but better yet:
Way of the Lion (being King of the Jungle)

If the naming convention were enforced, I'd pick that.

Since the Way of the Seal puns are fair game too, so how about Way of the Drone.
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« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2020, 09:13:34 pm »
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« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2020, 10:20:32 am »
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Always wanted to toy around with the idea presented in the Mountain Pass Landmark. Tried to have this as a card, but this was way too erratic. So an Event it was. What do you think of this? It's hard to say where this would place balance wise; there has not really been a thing like that in Dominion. If multiple players tie as winners of a Debate, it is broken in player order, as usual.

Oh by the way, it says  "whoever" instead of "the player who", just because the text would be too tiny if I used the other wording.
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« Reply #60 on: May 15, 2020, 10:59:23 am »
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So... you have a Platinum in hand and 4 buys. You buy four Debates, gaining four Platinum and 68VP?
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« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2020, 11:59:21 am »
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So... you have a Platinum in hand and 4 buys. You buy four Debates, gaining four Platinum and 68VP?

it's not vp, it's debt
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« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2020, 12:30:06 pm »
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And if you reveal 4 Platinums with 4 Buys of Debate, you'd end up with 32 (4 * (9 - 1) = 32). Not that good of a deal if you ask me. Even if you somehow draw all 5 of your Platinums, you'll still have 7 left after that turn, lol.

Edit: Yeah if you don't repay your after the first Platinum reveal, then you won't be able to Buy Debate again even if you have an extra Buy to spare. Thanks Minotaur for the pointer.
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« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2020, 12:46:40 pm »
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1.  Play Treasures
2.  Buy Debate, reveal a Platinum you can't play this turn.  You have <8>
3.  Pay Debt with remaining $
4.  Repeat from (2) if Buys and <0>.

You can't just take a lot of debt from buying Debates faster than they can resolve.

Balance-wise, this means that Nights and unplayable Actions are better than Treasures for this, where other players aren't penalized for using a Treasure.

EDIT:  To make it better for the buyer, maybe try:  "You may play an Action, Treasure, or Night card from your hand.  Each other player may reveal......"
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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2020, 12:56:31 pm »
+1

It kind of feels like a Capital that can backfire at the moment.  It's like donating a free buy to another player when it fails.

In addition to playing the debated card, maybe each player gets their gained card, but you still pay <1> less for yours and the winners get +1 VP.
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« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2020, 01:47:58 pm »
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I guess the biggest blunder of losing a Debate you initiated yourself is that you have succesfuly wasted a Buy. Sure, you drowned an opponent in , but it's not enough to make the pill easier to swallow. There needs to be some sort of (stronger) consolidation price if you get the short end of a Debate you buy. Therefore I present you with this second version:


What do you think of this now? Any more text in there and I think it's too much. I'd rather scrap the idea than trying to fit a novel on a card. If it cannot be condensed into this many words or less, then the idea is clearly flawed and not worth exploring any further.

I like this idea here because you can try to fail your own Debate on purpose. But if you try to fail it by, say, revealing a Copper while your opponent does the same since they do not want to be hit with any or because they have a garbage hand anyway, then you'll win (since you break ties) and be rewarded with the magnificent price of gaining... another Copper! So there's some risk involved here if you want to be cheeky. Most of the time, you should only make use of a Buy on Debate if you intent on winning it yourself.
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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2020, 02:20:35 pm »
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If you try to actually gain something, you still don't get to play that card.  Other players would generally assume you're going for a Copper, so they would want to play it like they're Buying a copy of a card in hand.  Because you lose the card for the turn, maybe the bonus for winning could be <2> or even <3>, but it would be a weird event to test.

I guess you could have them set a card aside in advance before revealing for consistency, and then if the set-aside card is a Victory card, they have to reveal a hand of all Victory cards........
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« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2020, 03:15:17 pm »
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I like the idea of having a discount bonus of 2 if winning when buying a Debate. This'll be implemented.

The non-Victory card clause is weird in the sense that it doesn't specify whether you are allowed to reveal a Victory card or not. It might just be that you could reveal one, but that'd make you disqualified from winning. In that case, I suppose the player who bought Debate will just reveal Estates or what have you to use their Buy phase to freely obtain a . This is also not something I thought off. And if it is allowed, then what happens if everyone reveals a Victory card at once? A draw? Who knows, lol.

Weew. This card is a hot mess to balance! This is why Dominion mostly keep players to themselves. Trying to pool everyone together into head-to-head competitions bring so much weirdness to the table.  :P

As I cannot possibly fit more text on that Event, it would probably have to be stated in some kind of rule book that yes, you may reveal a Victory card. But that this in turns makes you some kind of "non-participant" which disallows you to even lose/win the Debate. You reap no benefits by revealing a Victory card.

I tried a bunch of stuff on the card and man... I couldn't make it look elegant, lol. It's slowly hovering over the garbage bin.  :P
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« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2020, 06:45:20 pm »
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I like the idea of having a discount bonus of 2 if winning when buying a Debate. This'll be implemented.

The non-Victory card clause is weird in the sense that it doesn't specify whether you are allowed to reveal a Victory card or not. It might just be that you could reveal one, but that'd make you disqualified from winning. In that case, I suppose the player who bought Debate will just reveal Estates or what have you to use their Buy phase to freely obtain a . This is also not something I thought off. And if it is allowed, then what happens if everyone reveals a Victory card at once? A draw? Who knows, lol.

Weew. This card is a hot mess to balance! This is why Dominion mostly keep players to themselves. Trying to pool everyone together into head-to-head competitions bring so much weirdness to the table.  :P

As I cannot possibly fit more text on that Event, it would probably have to be stated in some kind of rule book that yes, you may reveal a Victory card. But that this in turns makes you some kind of "non-participant" which disallows you to even lose/win the Debate. You reap no benefits by revealing a Victory card.

I tried a bunch of stuff on the card and man... I couldn't make it look elegant, lol. It's slowly hovering over the garbage bin.  :P

Test it and report back?
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« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2020, 08:17:33 am »
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Way of Contradiction
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Follow the instructions printed on this card.  If you don't, +1 VP.

I hereby violate the instructions on the card, choosing to gain 8 Provinces instead. Where's my VP?
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« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2020, 05:01:09 pm »
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Way of Contradiction
Way

Follow the instructions printed on this card.  If you don't, +1 VP.

I hereby violate the instructions on the card, choosing to gain 8 Provinces instead. Where's my VP?

You still have to follow the instructions printed on the card, skipping steps when you can't.  In which case you have failed to follow the printed instructions.  WoC does not grant you permission to do whatever you want.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2020, 07:37:00 am »
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« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2020, 12:57:21 pm »
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I've always had this idea for a reverse bridge, and I created a working version a while ago and posted it to reddit, I thought I'd post it here too to see what you all think of it.

Refine
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+1 action

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to 1 more than it.
Then, cards in your deck not gained this turn and cards in the trash cost 1 more this turn.

It is a TfB card that also synergizes with most other TfB cards. It can be comparable to Upgrade except it is better because the TfB is less picky and it builds on itself and other TfB, but it doesn't draw you an extra card to compensate.

The reason it affects cards in the trash as well as cards in your deck is to make it work functionally as well as thematically. It makes your cards more expensive, and when you trash them, they need to keep their higher price in the trash in order for it to function.

The reason it singles out cards not gained this turn is because of reddit poster bluey_the_bear who pointed out that Livery lets you gain a horse everytime you gain a card costing 4 or more, so if the moment you gain a card costing 4 or more with Refine in play, everytime you gain a horse it also costs 4... allowing you to gain the entire horse pile. He pointed out a few other broken card gaining abilities, so in order to make these impossible, I changed the wording to specify it doesn't apply to cards gained the same turn you play it.

Overall, I think this is a great card that is a worse upgrade the first time it is played, then a better remodel the second time, then a better expand every other time. I would really like to playtest and tweek it more if needed, so let me know what you think.

Also, here is the link to my post for this card on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/ghrt2j/card_idea_refine_dominion/
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« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2020, 01:21:21 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
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« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2020, 02:56:15 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I know the wording is weird, it had to be in order to make it so the card functions as it is suppose to without any issues or broken combos. Saying non-horses wouldn't work because they aren't the only problem card with Refine. For example, after playing one Refine border villages cost 7 in your deck and 6 in the supply, so it would be possible to buy one border village and empty the entire supply. Same goes for Falconer.

I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.

As for as Refine being a double worse Upgrade, it is worse because it doesn't give you +1 card, but it makes up for it in a few other ways. For one, both the trashing and gaining are optional, which makes it slightly better than the "exactly one more" clause. But the most important thing is the price increase. It makes all your cards more expensive while the supply cards remain the same, so in that way it has synergy with itself and other TfB cards without hurting your buy power (anti-bridge). Of course not getting +1 card is a big negative, but I think the TfB synergy makes up for that.
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« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2020, 03:01:03 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I know the wording is weird, it had to be in order to make it so the card functions as it is suppose to without any issues or broken combos. Saying non-horses wouldn't work because they aren't the only problem card with Refine. For example, after playing one Refine border villages cost 7 in your deck and 6 in the supply, so it would be possible to buy one border village and empty the entire supply. Same goes for Falconer.

I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.

As for as Refine being a double worse Upgrade, it is worse because it doesn't give you +1 card, but it makes up for it in a few other ways. For one, both the trashing and gaining are optional, which makes it slightly better than the "exactly one more" clause. But the most important thing is the price increase. It makes all your cards more expensive while the supply cards remain the same, so in that way it has synergy with itself and other TfB cards without hurting your buy power (anti-bridge). Of course not getting +1 card is a big negative, but I think the TfB synergy makes up for that.
You have no way of tracking what cards are in your deck. Also, cost increases have issues (interactions with cost reduction, Livery).
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2020, 03:05:21 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I know the wording is weird, it had to be in order to make it so the card functions as it is suppose to without any issues or broken combos. Saying non-horses wouldn't work because they aren't the only problem card with Refine. For example, after playing one Refine border villages cost 7 in your deck and 6 in the supply, so it would be possible to buy one border village and empty the entire supply. Same goes for Falconer.

I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.


The way the entire cost reduction schemes so far work is that each card, regardless of zone, type, etc, has the same cost as every other copy of that card with the same name*. Even a "your cards cost $1 more this turn" runs into tracking issues with like, Ambassador or Masquerade.

*one further, at any given time, each card has the same text, cost, and abilities as each other copy of that card. This was an issue with the old version of Inheritance.
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« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2020, 03:36:51 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.
There is a village in my discard. I play Workshop to gain a Village, then I play a Smithy and shuffle. Now there is no way to distinguish the „old“ from the „new“ Village in my deck.
As tracking does not work, the basic idea of your card (create cost deltas) does not work either.
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« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2020, 04:25:09 pm »
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I would eliminate the restriction on cards gained this turn because the tracking doesn't work and just not put it in the same kingdom with Livery (or other cards that make it broken). That's a thing you can do with fan cards.

I have a fan card involving raising the cost of your cards like that, but I don't post it here because raising costs is taboo. I mean, it's never going to be on an official card, but with fan cards we can do what we want with them (like not put them in games together with certain other cards or houserule how it works with cost reducers).

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« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2020, 05:52:23 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I know the wording is weird, it had to be in order to make it so the card functions as it is suppose to without any issues or broken combos. Saying non-horses wouldn't work because they aren't the only problem card with Refine. For example, after playing one Refine border villages cost 7 in your deck and 6 in the supply, so it would be possible to buy one border village and empty the entire supply. Same goes for Falconer.

I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.


The way the entire cost reduction schemes so far work is that each card, regardless of zone, type, etc, has the same cost as every other copy of that card with the same name*. Even a "your cards cost $1 more this turn" runs into tracking issues with like, Ambassador or Masquerade.

*one further, at any given time, each card has the same text, cost, and abilities as each other copy of that card. This was an issue with the old version of Inheritance.

Thank you for pointing out the issues with tracking and price increase! I've attempted to refine it so the cost increase is simple, but still benefits you in most cases.

Refine
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+1 Action
+1 Coin

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to 1 more than it.
Then, name up to three different supply piles. Cards from these supply piles cost 1 more this turn.

Now, you simply name the supply piles you would like to increase the price of, instead of applying a price increase to all cards in your deck. This should fix all tracking issues and make it easier to follow. This change does make the card worse in that has little utility outside of trashing your bad cards, so it gives you +1 coin to compensate. Also because you are naming a supply pile and not a specific card, there is no way to gain all the horses with Livery. Let me know if this fixes all the issues and if you think the +1 coin is too much.
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« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2020, 07:15:49 pm »
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I think Refine already has potential self-synergy if you rearrange and remove text.  So my thought is this:

+1 Action
You may name a Supply pile.  Cards from that pile cost $1 more this turn.
You may trash a card from your hand to gain a card costing up to $1 more than it.


This already stacks with itself.  Non-terminal, I guess it can cost $5?  Maybe too cheap for a non-terminal Remodel with stacking power, really not sure on balance or if $6 is balanced or if it's just crazy.


I think I was reading two versions back-to-back and got them smashed together in my head, and then I didn't reload the page and this version more or less was already given.  Overall, it's kind of similar to that new Workshop variant that lowers costs, but for Remodel, so it's fair I think.  Non-terminal at $5 remains questionable for me but idk without testing.
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« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2020, 07:26:51 pm »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I know the wording is weird, it had to be in order to make it so the card functions as it is suppose to without any issues or broken combos. Saying non-horses wouldn't work because they aren't the only problem card with Refine. For example, after playing one Refine border villages cost 7 in your deck and 6 in the supply, so it would be possible to buy one border village and empty the entire supply. Same goes for Falconer.

I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.


The way the entire cost reduction schemes so far work is that each card, regardless of zone, type, etc, has the same cost as every other copy of that card with the same name*. Even a "your cards cost $1 more this turn" runs into tracking issues with like, Ambassador or Masquerade.

*one further, at any given time, each card has the same text, cost, and abilities as each other copy of that card. This was an issue with the old version of Inheritance.

Thank you for pointing out the issues with tracking and price increase! I've attempted to refine it so the cost increase is simple, but still benefits you in most cases.

Refine
$5
Action

+1 Action
+1 Coin

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to 1 more than it.
Then, name up to three different supply piles. Cards from these supply piles cost 1 more this turn.

Now, you simply name the supply piles you would like to increase the price of, instead of applying a price increase to all cards in your deck. This should fix all tracking issues and make it easier to follow. This change does make the card worse in that has little utility outside of trashing your bad cards, so it gives you +1 coin to compensate. Also because you are naming a supply pile and not a specific card, there is no way to gain all the horses with Livery. Let me know if this fixes all the issues and if you think the +1 coin is too much.

Increase card’s cost is always a source of confusion. Maybe you could achieve your goal of a TFB that becomes better at each play in the same turn with something like this:

Refine
$5
Action

+1 Action
+$1

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to the cost of the trashed card +$1 for each Refine you have in play.


Because it doesn’t draw, maybe it would be hard to have in hand in the same turn many Refines and their targets to make it improve. A duration version which you may leave in play till you align three of them could be better:

Refine
$5
Action - Duration

+1 Action
+$1
You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to the cost of the trashed card +$1 for each Refine you have in play.
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At Clean-up, if you have less than three Refines in play, you may leave this card in play instead of discard it.


I don't know for sure if this version needs to be $6 cost to be balanced.
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« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2020, 07:31:42 pm »
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I once had a few Star Trek parody cards.  "The Bridge" was a sort of backward parody on Bridge:

+3 Actions
Cards not in the Supply cost $1 more this turn.

So it was a super-Necropolis that hurt you and/or a TFB enabler.  I never play tested it and it was probably a dead card on most boards but there you go.

EDIT:  Could also be a reasonable double-edged Ruins/Heirloom.
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« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2020, 08:19:30 pm »
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Refine
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+1 Action
+$1

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to the cost of the trashed card +$1 for each Refine you have in play.


Because it doesn’t draw, maybe it would be hard to have in hand in the same turn many Refines and their targets to make it improve. A duration version which you may leave in play till you align three of them could be better:

Refine
$5
Action - Duration

+1 Action
+$1
You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to the cost of the trashed card +$1 for each Refine you have in play.
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At Clean-up, if you have less than three Refines in play, you may leave this card in play instead of discard it.


I don't know for sure if this version needs to be $6 cost to be balanced.

These are better as a standalone "stacking Remodel" variant.  If they really wanted a TFB enhancer, the other versions sort of work, but would often fail to do anything extra.  TFB enhancement is sort of an awkward concept, but maybe could work with a split pile as a last resort, somehow.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #84 on: June 10, 2020, 09:10:31 pm »
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i think the best cost increase idea i've read has been a +$1 Cost adventure token (that affects all players). That way it can be a buy deterrent, a TFB enabler, a Remake fizzler, etc, and you just have to make its placement card/landscape not able to put it on the Horse pile.

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« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2020, 01:30:30 am »
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The wording is weird, you cannot track cards. So I guess you want to say something like „copies of cards„ or whatever but then it does not work either. Simply say non-Horse cards, that is pretty clear.
I don’t get the card though, it just seems like a double worse Upgrade.
I know the wording is weird, it had to be in order to make it so the card functions as it is suppose to without any issues or broken combos. Saying non-horses wouldn't work because they aren't the only problem card with Refine. For example, after playing one Refine border villages cost 7 in your deck and 6 in the supply, so it would be possible to buy one border village and empty the entire supply. Same goes for Falconer.

I'm not sure what you mean though with the tracking issue. While it may be tricky for cards to have different prices depending on where they are, it shouldn't be that confusing. If the card is in the trash, it costs 1 more. If it is in your deck and you haven't gained it this turn, it costs 1 more. If you return a card to its supply the cost returns to normal. I'm not really an expert on tracking issues though, so I would like to hear what you mean.


The way the entire cost reduction schemes so far work is that each card, regardless of zone, type, etc, has the same cost as every other copy of that card with the same name*. Even a "your cards cost $1 more this turn" runs into tracking issues with like, Ambassador or Masquerade.

*one further, at any given time, each card has the same text, cost, and abilities as each other copy of that card. This was an issue with the old version of Inheritance.

Thank you for pointing out the issues with tracking and price increase! I've attempted to refine it so the cost increase is simple, but still benefits you in most cases.

Refine
$5
Action

+1 Action
+1 Coin

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to 1 more than it.
Then, name up to three different supply piles. Cards from these supply piles cost 1 more this turn.

Now, you simply name the supply piles you would like to increase the price of, instead of applying a price increase to all cards in your deck. This should fix all tracking issues and make it easier to follow. This change does make the card worse in that has little utility outside of trashing your bad cards, so it gives you +1 coin to compensate. Also because you are naming a supply pile and not a specific card, there is no way to gain all the horses with Livery. Let me know if this fixes all the issues and if you think the +1 coin is too much.

Increase card’s cost is always a source of confusion. Maybe you could achieve your goal of a TFB that becomes better at each play in the same turn with something like this:

Refine
$5
Action

+1 Action
+$1

You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to the cost of the trashed card +$1 for each Refine you have in play.


Because it doesn’t draw, maybe it would be hard to have in hand in the same turn many Refines and their targets to make it improve. A duration version which you may leave in play till you align three of them could be better:

Refine
$5
Action - Duration

+1 Action
+$1
You may trash a card from your hand. If you did, you may gain a card costing up to the cost of the trashed card +$1 for each Refine you have in play.
------
At Clean-up, if you have less than three Refines in play, you may leave this card in play instead of discard it.


I don't know for sure if this version needs to be $6 cost to be balanced.
This is a much clearer version. Cost increase is simply something you should not do.
About the strength, as it does not draw and needs cards, I think that it is a weak $5.
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« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2020, 11:03:04 am »
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My friend wanted a card to kill engines ???. I think this should do the job. 20 in the supply. Could maybe add +1 action

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« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2020, 05:21:39 pm »
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My friend wanted a card to kill engines ???. I think this should do the job. 20 in the supply. Could maybe add +1 action


Even if you win this is worse then duchies
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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2020, 05:48:47 pm »
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My friend wanted a card to kill engines ???. I think this should do the job. 20 in the supply. Could maybe add +1 action


Even if you win this is worse then duchies
I'd suggest 3 or 4 if you win, and something if you lose as consolation.
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Here's an update. Note that
  • It now gives +1 action, making it easier to play multiple pyramids a turn
  • I have added the Attack type, this means it now triggers reactions and also it now has 3 types, making it useful with cards like courtier
  • It now gives 3 VP if you win
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« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2020, 03:58:46 am »
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A couple more silly but probably playable cards:

a lucky one,
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+1 Card. +1 VP.
All players receive the next Boon. Discard any number of cards. Gain a Horse for each card you discarded this way.

and an unlucky one
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$4 - Treasure - Victory
Choose one: Gain a Curse and if you do, gain a Wish; or +$2 and the player to your left gains this on top of their deck.
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« Reply #91 on: September 01, 2020, 02:09:30 pm »
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A couple more silly but probably playable cards:

a lucky one,
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Unicorn
$4 - Action
+1 Card. +1 VP.
All players receive the next Boon. Discard any number of cards. Gain a Horse for each card you discarded this way.

and an unlucky one
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Monkey's Paw
$4 - Treasure - Victory
Choose one: Gain a Curse and if you do, gain a Wish; or +$2 and the player to your left gains this on top of their deck.
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Worth 1 VP if you gained this after your last turn of the game. Otherwise, worth -1 VP.

If the bar were higher than this, it would be Very Good Card Ideas.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #92 on: September 09, 2020, 03:05:03 pm »
+1

I was looking at Way of the Chameleon and misread the name, which lead to this:



Probably way too strong, but does require having multiple actions in hand at once to do anything.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2020, 03:20:42 pm »
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I was looking at Way of the Chameleon and misread the name, which lead to this:



Probably way too strong, but does require having multiple actions in hand at once to do anything.
With this you can make up your deck of just terminal draw cards. Who needs villages anyway?
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #94 on: September 09, 2020, 03:21:14 pm »
+3

I think "Lighthouse that doesn't make $" would have been actually passable, but WotC as originally presented doesn't really belong here.   ::)
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« Reply #95 on: September 09, 2020, 11:33:45 pm »
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I was looking at Way of the Chameleon and misread the name, which lead to this:



Probably way too strong, but does require having multiple actions in hand at once to do anything.

The image doesn't work for me.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2020, 01:03:24 am »
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I was looking at Way of the Chameleon and misread the name, which lead to this:



Probably way too strong, but does require having multiple actions in hand at once to do anything.

The image doesn't work for me.

It worked earlier and now it doesn't for me either.  It was a Way Of The Champion that does the action part, but just for this turn.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2020, 03:20:15 pm »
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The image doesn't work for me.

It worked earlier and now it doesn't for me either.  It was a Way Of The Champion that does the action part, but just for this turn.

Weird. It's hosted on Google Images, and apparently they make it basically impossible to get an actual link to the image. Even if the image is "available to anyone with the link", the link they give you only goes to a page in their site which shows the photo, not a link to the actual photo. And if you right-click to "copy image url", it gives you a url which apparently works for a little while and then suddenly stops working. Fixed now; using some third-party site that allows you to get a fixed url for a Google photo.
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« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2020, 04:05:38 pm »
+3

I was looking at Way of the Chameleon and misread the name, which lead to this:



Probably way too strong, but does require having multiple actions in hand at once to do anything.
Strictly better than Ox and utterly broken.
Now a card that says +5 Actions is not that impressive. But in combination with the flexibility of Ways it becomes broken and also pretty boring. Managing terminal space well is one of the usual tasks in Dominion.
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« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2020, 04:07:47 am »
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Was looking again at the latest couple pages of the RCBI thread, found this, and thought "hmmm, just put "trash this" on there and it could be playable."
Scrap market - 6
+1 Card
+1 Action
+1 Buy
+1 Coin
Gain a silver
Gain a horse

So, with a couple other tweaks...
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Market Day
$5 - Action
+1 Card
+1 Buy
+1 Coffers. +1 Villager. Gain a Silver. Gain a Horse. Trash this. If you don't, gain a Curse.

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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2020, 04:19:34 am »
+1

Was looking again at the latest couple pages of the RCBI thread, found this, and thought "hmmm, just put "trash this" on there and it could be playable."
Scrap market - 6
+1 Card
+1 Action
+1 Buy
+1 Coin
Gain a silver
Gain a horse

Is gaining a Silver and a Horse actually good though?  You already had to pay $6 for this, how often do you really want Silver at this point?  It seems like it should balance it pretty nicely against the Horse.

The one-shot version with tokens seems really expensive for what it does, too.  Compared to Experiment and Acting Troupe, I don't immediately see a compelling reason it should cost more than $3.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #101 on: October 26, 2020, 07:07:05 am »
+1

Was looking again at the latest couple pages of the RCBI thread, found this, and thought "hmmm, just put "trash this" on there and it could be playable."
Scrap market - 6
+1 Card
+1 Action
+1 Buy
+1 Coin
Gain a silver
Gain a horse

Is gaining a Silver and a Horse actually good though?  You already had to pay $6 for this, how often do you really want Silver at this point?  It seems like it should balance it pretty nicely against the Horse.

The one-shot version with tokens seems really expensive for what it does, too.  Compared to Experiment and Acting Troupe, I don't immediately see a compelling reason it should cost more than $3.

Well then, I'll just have to make it sillier:
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Market Day
$5 - Action
+1 Card
+1 Buy
+1 Coffers. +1 Villager. +1 VP. You may trash a card from your hand. Gain a Silver. Gain a Horse or a Will-o-Wisp.
Trash this. If you don't, gain a Curse and a Copper.


And a bonus thematic semi-silly card:

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Swamp
$3 - Action - Victory
Gain a Will O Wisp.
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Worth 1VP
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When you buy this, reveal your hand. +1 VP for every two Action or Treasure cards revealed.
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When you trash this on your turn, lose 2 VP tokens.
Haven't we always wanted a card with 3 dividing lines?
(If I print this to use, I won't actually put 3 dividing lines. I really don't think they're all necessary, just like I don't think it's necessary for Harem or Noble Brigand to have any line.)

EDIT: one more:
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Haunted Well
$4 - Night - Victory
Gain a Curse. If you do, choose one: +2 Coffers or +2 Villagers.
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Worth 1 VP per X Curses in the trash, where X = the number of players in the game.
Night / Victory is a type combination not yet represented in my fan card rotation, so I made one.
Worth a lot of VP if all curses get trashed. If your opponent has more Haunted Wells than you, maybe you shouldn't trash that last Curse. Possibly OP with Watchtower, but then so are some other cards.
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Re: Actually Passable Card Ideas
« Reply #102 on: October 26, 2020, 08:36:50 pm »
+1

Haunted Well is mostly garbage if there's no trashing, and maybe it should come with an Heirloom at the very least.  Like, idk...

Drowned Spirit
Heirloom-Treasure
$1

+$2
You may trash a Curse from your hand.  If you do not, gain a Curse.  If you do not, trash this.
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« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2020, 01:35:20 am »
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I just wouldn't put it in a kingdom with no trashing, but that's a good option too.

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« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2020, 06:29:30 pm »
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Was looking again at the latest couple pages of the RCBI thread, found this, and thought "hmmm, just put "trash this" on there and it could be playable."
Scrap market - 6
+1 Card
+1 Action
+1 Buy
+1 Coin
Gain a silver
Gain a horse

Is gaining a Silver and a Horse actually good though?  You already had to pay $6 for this, how often do you really want Silver at this point?  It seems like it should balance it pretty nicely against the Horse.
Indeed, vanilla Market may well be preferable to this when your deck can't cope with gaining extra Silvers every shuffle. The Horse gain is only a short-term compensation, effectively drawing the Silver for free a single time.
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« Reply #105 on: November 14, 2020, 03:23:49 pm »
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Horsemen pile: 
Each one is different like Knights, but with an additional rule: Add the Ride event to the supply. Ride has this additional effect: At the start of clean-up, you may exchange a Horseman you have in play with the top Horseman in the supply.

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Centaur
$6 - Action - Night - Horseman
If it's your action phase: +2 Cards, +1 Action. If it's your night phase: Gain a Horse on top of your deck. Then reveal up to 2 cards from your hand, discard pile, or from play, and put them on top of your deck. If you topdecked a victory card, +1 VP and +1 Coffers.
(Horse Stargazer (my card) -I've posted this one before)
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Mounted Knight
$6 - Action - Attack - Horseman
+1 Card, +1 Action, +$1.
Turn your journey token over (it starts face down). If it's face up, +1 Card and each other player reveals the top 2 cards of their deck, trashes one of them costing from $3 to $6, and discards the rest.
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Headless Horseman
$6 - Night - Attack - Horseman
Gain two Horses, putting one of them on top of your deck. Each other player gains a Curse.
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Royal Cavalry
$6 - Action - Horseman
Choose one: +2 Cards, +1 Action or Gain three Horses.
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When you gain this, +1 Buy, return to your action phase, and play this.
(Horse Cavalry)
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Pony Express
$6 - Action - Horseman
+1 Action.
Choose one: +2 Cards, or +$2 and +1 Buy.
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When you discard this from play, you may look through your discard pile and shuffle up to two cards from it into your deck.
(Horse Messenger -kind of)
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Mounted Ranger
$6 - Action - Horseman
+1 Card, +1 Action, +1 Buy.
Turn you journey token over (it starts face down). If it's face up, +2 Cards.
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Mounted Scout
$6 - Action - Horseman
+1 Card, +1 Action.
Reveal the top 4 cards of your deck and put the revealed victory cards and one additional card into your hand. Put the others back onto your deck in any order.
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Mounted Pilgrim
$6 - Action - Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action. Turn your journey token over. (it starts face down). If it's face up, at the end of your Buy phase, gain a Horse or a copy of a card you have in play.
(Horse Pilgrimage)
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Jouster
$6 - Action - Victory - Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action.
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Worth 1 VP per 5 differently named cards you have.
(Horse Fairgrounds)
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Ghostly Horseman
$6 - Night - Attack - Duration - Horseman
Each other player with at least 5 cards in hand puts a card from their hand on top of their deck. At the start of your next turn: +2 Cards and +1 Action.
(Horse Ghost Ship/Ghost) (Maybe this should be "Headless Horseman" and the one I called Headless Horseman should be "Mounted Nighthag" or something like that.)

Other semi-serious possibilities and silly joke Horsemen: (you decide which is which)
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Mounted Caravan Guard
$6 - Action - Duration - Reaction - Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action. At the start of your next turn: +$2.
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When another player plays an attack, you may play this from your hand.
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Mounted Adventurer
$6 - Action - Horseman
+1 Card, +1 Action.
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal 2 Treasure cards. Put those Treasure cards into your hand and discard the other revealed cards.
(haha. I think this might actually be balanced at $6 despite being strictly way better than Adventurer.)
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Mounted Gardener
$6 - Action - Victory - Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action.
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Worth 1 VP for each 10 cards in your deck.
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Mounted Duke
$6 - Action - Victory - Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action.
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Worth 1 VP per Duchy you have.
(Having there be only one of them makes it so you're not going to "go for" them for VP which I think makes it okay at $6 -unless maybe if regular Duke is also on the board.)
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Mounted Baron
$6 - Action - Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action.
Choose one: Discard an Estate from your hand for +$3 and +1 Buy, or gain an Estate.
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Mounted Bandit
$6 - Action - Attack - Horseman
+1 Card, +1 Action.
Each other player reveals the top two cards of their deck and trashes a revealed treasure other than Copper. Gain a treasure from the trash or a Silver, putting the gained card into your hand.
EDIT: a couple more:
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Cowboy
$6 - Action - Reaction - Horseman
+1 Card, +1 Action.
Discard any number of Victory cards, revealing them, for +2 Cards per card discarded.
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When another player plays an attack card, you may put this on top of your deck to gain a Horse into your hand.
(Horse Shepherd + a reaction)
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Masked Horseman
+2 Cards, +1 Action.
Each player with any cards in hand passes one to the next such player to their left, at once. Then you may trash a card from your hand.
(Horse Masquerade!)
Let me know if you think any of them are unbalanced. (or if you think any of them would be good as a pile by itself.)
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« Reply #106 on: November 14, 2020, 05:32:36 pm »
+1

Musician - Action $4]
Gain a song to the top of your deck

Songs are in a single pile and shuffled. Unlike ruins, they are not in the supply, and their top card is face down. There is duplicates of each.
Example songs:

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Valorous Ballad
Action-Attack-Duration-Song-
At the start of your next turn, return this to the bottom of the song pile
Now and at the start of your next turn, each other player reveals the top card of their deck, and trashes one costing between and and discards the rest.
It's like a knight, but because it's a song about one, it gets stuck in your head, so you do it twice
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Unfinished work
Action-Song-
+1 Action
Return this to the bottom of the Song pile
It's just a temporary Ruin. Not every song played by a musician is worth it
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Folk Tune
Action-Duration-Song-
+5 Villagers
Return this to the bottom of the Song pile
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Royal Fanfare
Action-Song-
You may play an action card from your hand twice. Return this to the bottom of the song pile
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Mundane Song
Action-Song-
+1 Card
+1 Action
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Return the to the bottom of the song pile

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« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2020, 12:39:11 am »
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Musician - Action $4]
Gain a song to the top of your deck

Songs are in a single pile and shuffled. Unlike ruins, they are not in the supply, and their top card is face down. There is duplicates of each.
Example songs:

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Valorous Ballad
Action-Attack-Duration-Song-
At the start of your next turn, return this to the bottom of the song pile
Now and at the start of your next turn, each other player reveals the top card of their deck, and trashes one costing between and and discards the rest.
It's like a knight, but because it's a song about one, it gets stuck in your head, so you do it twice
A double knight attack would be nasty and not fun. I'd just make it happen once and give it some other benefit.
I like the others, but I'd leave out the Unfinished Work. Maybe you can call the mundane song something like "Piano Concerto".
Also:
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Dirge
$0 - Action - Song
Trash up to 2 cards from your hand. Return this to the bottom of the Song pile.
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Lullaby
$0 - Night - Attack - Duration - Song
Each other player with at least 4 cards in hand discards one. At the start of your next turn: +2 Cards and return this to the bottom of the Song pile.
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March
$0 - Action - Song
Choose one: +1 Card and +1 Action; or Look through your discard pile, play an Action card from it, and return this to the bottom of the Song pile.
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Folk Dance about Horses
$0 - Action - Song
+1 Action, +2 Cards.
Each player with any cards in hand passes one to the next such player to their left, at once.
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