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Author Topic: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (Full, waiting for Snow to return)  (Read 3049 times)

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (8-10 slots left)
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2019, 05:52:12 pm »

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

We will get back to you on this, I have a stance but need to make sure Snow agrees before I publicize it.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (8-10 slots left)
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2019, 05:53:46 pm »

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

We will get back to you on this, I have a stance but need to make sure Snow agrees before I publicize it.

I vote yes, for what it's worth. That's always how I would make these win conditions.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (8-10 slots left)
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2019, 06:23:29 pm »

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

We talked, we agree, Lyncher who didn't self-doctor and got killed loses. Plus it's pretty lame if people accidentally stumble into giving you a win in LYLO when you died N1 or something.

Editing the role PM now.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (8 slots left)
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2019, 07:39:21 pm »

okay, /in but i hope we can start after the other game is a bit further along
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (8 slots left)
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2019, 07:42:34 pm »

Hmmm...
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2019, 08:13:42 pm »

Does the Supersaint Jester trigger immediately, or “after” his lynch:

1T-1M-1J, Mafia hammers Jester.

A) Jester dies, scum control half, game ends before SS activates.
B) Jester dies, SS activates killing scum, town wins with Jester.
C) Jester is “lynched”, SS activates killing Mafia, game ends before lynch is finalized, town wins but not Jester.

Scenario above: Jester cannot lynch the town or scum without losing. He must himself be the lynch. So he refuses to vote either player. In scenario A Jester has already lost, so it doesn’t matter. In scenario B, neither scum nor town can hammer without losing. As scum wins by doing nothing, town has effectively lost. In scenario C, essentially the same as B. Both town and scum lose by hammering, but scum wins by doing nothing.

Assuming Scenario B, if all but one scum are dead, can the Jester claim to become the lynch (town doesn’t care if he wins/loses, and he’s not a town PR) but town forces the hammer on someone - effectively treating them like the lynch while Jester meets his wincon?
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Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2019, 08:14:58 pm »

Also, if I /in, can I be the SuperSaint Jester? I get lynched all the time.
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Quote from: Voltgloss
Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.


Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2019, 03:04:49 pm »

Does the Supersaint Jester trigger immediately, or “after” his lynch:

1T-1M-1J, Mafia hammers Jester.

A) Jester dies, scum control half, game ends before SS activates.
B) Jester dies, SS activates killing scum, town wins with Jester.
C) Jester is “lynched”, SS activates killing Mafia, game ends before lynch is finalized, town wins but not Jester.

Scenario above: Jester cannot lynch the town or scum without losing. He must himself be the lynch. So he refuses to vote either player. In scenario A Jester has already lost, so it doesn’t matter. In scenario B, neither scum nor town can hammer without losing. As scum wins by doing nothing, town has effectively lost. In scenario C, essentially the same as B. Both town and scum lose by hammering, but scum wins by doing nothing.

Assuming Scenario B, if all but one scum are dead, can the Jester claim to become the lynch (town doesn’t care if he wins/loses, and he’s not a town PR) but town forces the hammer on someone - effectively treating them like the lynch while Jester meets his wincon?

UE pushed us into a non-standard wording of Supersaint, it doesn't activate in Twilight it activates the following night. So Mafia and Jester would win, Town loses.

But TvSvJ LYLO is weird, Jester needs town to vote Jester, which is motivation to try to find and vote town. If Jester accidentally votes scum and town hammers, that's a town win. If Jester correctly votes Town and Town crossvotes, scum wins and kingmakes Jester or not, which is lame but I think that's the way it has to go. At least this is a pretty unlikely scenario. Also the plurality lynch rules make these weird LYLOs even weirder, need to ponder whether or not that's a problem. Fortunately it only matters in TvSv3 LYLO.

To get to TvSvJ, Jester has played somewhat poorly, Town has played poorly, scum has played well. I think I'm okay with the outcome the way it is.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2019, 03:07:10 pm »

Also, if I /in, can I be the SuperSaint Jester? I get lynched all the time.

Sadly you have the same odds as faust.

We should do a bastard game where each person is assigned roles that suit them or something. (And avoid the temptation to make faust Jester, Galz Survivor, Ash Priest, etc. Which is tough, because that's funnier.)
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2019, 03:14:03 pm »

I call Vig

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2019, 08:11:08 pm »

/in haven’t read anything
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Losses: M20, M22, M25, M27, M30, M31, M35, M38, M40, M42, M46, M60, M90, M93, M96, M98, M100, M101, M106, M111, M113
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (7 slots left)
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2019, 08:30:04 pm »

We should do a bastard game where each person is assigned roles that suit them or something. (And avoid the temptation to make faust Jester, Galz Survivor, Ash Priest, etc. Which is tough, because that's funnier.)

I would totally play that.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2019, 04:44:14 am »

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2019, 08:38:09 am »

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?

I think they are supposed to be board games. I’ll take Avalon or Carcassonne.
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Losses: M20, M22, M25, M27, M30, M31, M35, M38, M40, M42, M46, M60, M90, M93, M96, M98, M100, M101, M106, M111, M113
Winrate: 38.2%(13/34) 29.6%(8/27), 71.4%(5/7)

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2019, 12:04:17 pm »

/in, seeing as I'm dead in Ds9 now.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2019, 12:05:37 pm »

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2019, 12:13:04 pm »

Coup

Add that for me too. So BattleCON/Star Realms/Coup.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2019, 12:15:55 pm »

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.

I love Camel Up!

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 03:35:21 pm »

Ah, hell. /in

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.


Blitz:
TOWN Wins: ZM11, ZM13
TOWN Losses: ZM3, ZM5, ZM6, ZM8, ZM9, ZM10
SCUM Wins: ZM1
SCUM Losses: ZM4

Total Wins: 3
Total Losses: 7

Normal Games:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Traitor)

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 10

Other:
TOWN Wins: DM1, BM4, BM4, BM5, BM8, BM13, DoM1, OZ2, RM45
TOWN Losses: BM1, BM2, BM3, BM6, BM11, RM3, RM4
SCUM Wins: DM3, BM7, RM1, RM2
SCUM Losses: BM9, OZ1

Total Wins: 13
Total Losses: 9

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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2019, 03:36:39 pm »

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?

I think they are supposed to be board games. I’ll take Avalon or Carcassonne.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (4 slots left!)
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2019, 07:30:21 pm »

Questions about plurality lynch:

Can players still vote no lynch?
How are ties resolved?
What happens if no one votes for a whole day?
Does the Jester still win if lynched by plurality?
How does the supersaint ability work if the Jester is lynched by plurality?
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (4 slots left!)
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2019, 07:40:01 pm »

Questions about plurality lynch:

Can players still vote no lynch?
How are ties resolved?
What happens if no one votes for a whole day?
Does the Jester still win if lynched by plurality?
How does the supersaint ability work if the Jester is lynched by plurality?

Again, I want to respond but need to discuss it with Snow before making rulings public.

Ties are explained in the plurality rules listed, though.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (4 slots left!)
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2019, 07:45:05 pm »

Questions about plurality lynch:

Can players still vote no lynch?
How are ties resolved?
What happens if no one votes for a whole day?
Does the Jester still win if lynched by plurality?
How does the supersaint ability work if the Jester is lynched by plurality?

Again, I want to respond but need to discuss it with Snow before making rulings public.

Ties are explained in the plurality rules listed, though.

Ah, I see. I think that covers my first three questions.
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (6 slots left)
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2019, 09:55:33 pm »

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?
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Re: M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia (4 slots left!)
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2019, 09:58:00 pm »

We kind of already discussed the last couple questions over Skype and Uncleeurope just doesn't remember I think.

No lynch is reached when half the players vote No Lynch, which you can do. Ties in the OP as you noticed.

Jester does win if lynched by plurality, that was actually part of the reason we wanted plurality in the first place. Supersaint hits the last player actually on the wagon when the lynch happens (deadline if no one has a majority, or the player that hammers, that pushes it over into being a majority lynch.)

I don't think we ever actually talked about no one voting for a whole day, but I'd say that's a No Lynch, but it's actually kind of hilarious to use the current Rules as Written with the last player to have won a board game, so lets do that. (It's pretty much theorycrafting anyway, if it were for some reason important scum could always just vote and unvote and break the tie.)
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