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[The_Wine_Merchant]

Oh, and he's got the only possibly-valid pointed-out scumslip in the game so far, unless I missed something more exciting when I was reading.

It wasn't even close to a scumslip.

[LaLight]

ok, if Awaclus isn't happening, I'll return to vote: mcmc

[Eevee]

Galz how do you feel about eevee. Same question to eevee but vise versa.

I missed Galzria! I don't think he looks scummy. I also don't think I would suspect anything if he was scum.

Fun fact: The worst I've ever been duped, it was Ozle's first murder mystery game (maybe my favorite game ever), I was some sort of a semi-cop, and had a QT with Galzria for some reason. I hadn't claimed, and was withholding my results from town, but felt so comfortable with Galzria in our QT, I told him what I had found out and asked for advice.

I didn't make it to the morning and never got to claim. Galzria was scum.

[faust]

Regarding mcmc, I seem to remember him seeming really scummy when he's town and then really towny when he's scum.  However, this was years ago and might have changed.  To anybody who's played with him recently, is this still how he seems?

Yes, it's compounded by the fact that he is active about enlisting help on his crusades. He's like a faust wearing a cheerleader skirt and waving pompoms and armbands with swastikas.

I'm mildly hurt that I don't usually wear a cheerleader skirt in your mind.

[sudgy]

Vote: J Reggie as promised

[Galzria]

faust -

What? You guys are crazy. Catching up now.

As your first post, it probably means nothing really. But can you give detail to "What? You guys are crazy."? What were you referring to?

I hope you follow through with post counts. They were always favorites of mine. Maybe not at catching scum, but at least we can FoS people for not participating. It's a game! Play!

Please explain a little below - I don't know what "classic Reggie" means:

gkrieg, what do you think about pps as SK?

Classic Reggie.

Vote: J Reggie

Also this. Why should you not attempt to read mcmc?

I was happy with the cuzz' vote on me, it's exactly like the vote I make on other people super early in games. It was a non rvs vote and we are well in the swing of thing with legitimate interactions going on. I give cuzz town points for it even though he voted for a townie.

This is such a weird post.

I should probably not attempt to read mcmc.

faust, what is your success rate at catching scum d1? Because this post just feels really.... arrogant? I dunno. Just rubs me wrong. D1 for me isn't about catching scum - certainly we try - but rather it's about creating interactions that allow us to catch scum as the game goes on.

what even is day 1 "scumhunting"

It's what shows whether you're good at this game.

As far as faust's "On/Off the lynch table" stuffs go - I like it from a posting town/scum reads point of view - something to hold him to later. I dislike it because it's very.... I dunno. Steering? I feel like he's trying to steer town with them, and that reads more scummy than townie to me - at least, I think it's WAY easier to pull off as scum than as town. I get people have said (I think?) that those lists are town!faust... but that seems like a very manipulate-able thing.

Also, this just feels weird to me. You have feels, record said feels, but don't record why you have said feels?

I like what galz is doing, but I don't think J Reggie is scum for it.

Update on lynch pool removals:

RR
LaLight
TWM
iguana
O
mcmc
Andrew
ash

Why Andrew?  And why mcmc?  And why ash?

I get O.

I don't keep notes on these reads, I just put them in my QT as soon as I feel them.

And that wraps you up I suppose. More scummy than town, definitely. But not super vote worthy right now.

[mcmcsalot]

Calam, RoadRunner, Jimmm - let's get some thoughts and opinions down plz. You three have not yet voted, nor really contributed much.

Jimmm: 1 post: "Hello"
RR: 14 posts. Some early stuff about not reading the thread, some stuff about being proud about propheting O's "I'm the 2-shot Vig", but no real reads or opinions on players ("Awaclus is town" aside)
Calam: 8 posts - decent questioning going on, but hasn't really posted his own thoughts.

I really don't have thoughts. It's very unusual for me to have any reads so early at all because most stuff is just not alignment-indicative. And the bunch of unindicative fluff in here clearly does not help

This is 100% consistent with town and scum calamitous just so people who haven't played with him know. I actually don't know if I've seen scum calam but this is calam in a nutshell. He will post more as he gets more reads later.

[Eevee]

@faust
Why do you think I'm scum?

[pingpongsam]

As far as faust's "On/Off the lynch table" stuffs go - I like it from a posting town/scum reads point of view - something to hold him to later. I dislike it because it's very.... I dunno. Steering? I feel like he's trying to steer town with them, and that reads more scummy than townie to me - at least, I think it's WAY easier to pull off as scum than as town. I get people have said (I think?) that those lists are town!faust... but that seems like a very manipulate-able thing.

This is quintessential faust regardless of his alignment. Remember, no cheerleader skirt or pompoms but nevertheless he is on a crusade. Thing is, his reads are usually so good, especially as the game progresses, that it becomes very steering.

I don't see it as an alignment tell in and of itself because it is faust. Otherwise, I think the criticism largely holds.

As I said earlier, my main play today is to try and discern if either Andrew or faust are town or scum. I've not gotten any hard read on faust other than he is well within his meta regardless of alignment.

If I weren't in his lynch pool I would be way more suspicious of him.

[Eevee]

Want to vote andrew with me?

[mcmcsalot]

I want to point out in my notes I have written down that eevee was defending jreggie early on and he is currently voting jreggie. I don't think galz caught that in his reread so maybe the defending of jreggie early was insignificant and granted tons have happened since then.

[Eevee]

I don't remember defending Reggie.

[mcmcsalot]

I don't remember defending Reggie.

My first not is "Scummy: TWM, attacking JReggie, being defended by Gkrieg and eevee"
Followed by "Ash/Dylan support me" which I think is in reference to me pushing TWM. I should look back.

[Galzria]

I don't remember defending Reggie.

My first not is "Scummy: TWM, attacking JReggie, being defended by Gkrieg and eevee"
Followed by "Ash/Dylan support me" which I think is in reference to me pushing TWM. I should look back.

I'll admit I didn't see anything of the sorts - but I may have missed it.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I would be willing to lynch Robz

We may try that!

We are averaging a page an hour, stop this even though it's fun. I'm counting every post like this from now on as scummy seriously. You want a 60 page day 1 because this is how you get it.

Ppe 2: you've seen me as scum a lot, together and as a mod. Do you think I'm playing like then or like m96?

"Do you want ants? Because this is how you get ants!"

Although I agree it's a little annoying because at this rate I'm never going to get caught up, what's really scummy here is you trying to dictate how everyone else should play this game and arbitrarily finding something scummy regardless of content just because you don't like it.

[iguanaiguana]

iguana will you do a reread of just twm and if you want me as well and then post your conclusions.

Innocent Child? We don't appear to have one? How worried should we be about mafia with a 2-shot vig?

This has been much talked about as a scummy post. But I don't think scum is this blatant.

Gkrieg gets it. unvote

Get's what everyone else already gets?

vote: mcmcsalot

This is a weird almost naked vote. Later he seems overly defensive for getting a few early votes on him.

mcmc did something townie. I don't remember what it was. Oh wait. I liked that he said we should take notes (maybe if I had taken notes I would have remembered that easier). Sure anyone can suggest it for towncred, I acknowledge that but he gets towncred anyway.

So, vote: sudgy

I'll sheep faust

Scummy self awareness. I write this kind of over-drafted hedging as scum a lot.

Later when he goes back to McMc with no reason given, that is the opposite though. If he's self-aware of how others will perceive his posts, I'd think he would try to produce a reason again. If he's just following his gut, though, he might not.

He switches to Awaclus, he switches to McMc, he switches to J Reggie. His votes are a little over the place, which is townie, but he also seems to be hopping on whatever is the biggest current wagon that isn't him, which could be scummy, although not very sophisticated.

The main reason I haven't voted TWM is because someone (I think Gkrieg) pointed out that he's been basically lynchbait in previous games, and since then I've been reading his play as lynchbait play, not scum. Plus, if he's scum, that should mean he'll be easy to catch later. All the setup talk is super lynch-baity. Like, who thinks that scum is really going to try to trick people into PR-slipping by having a setup discussion?

[iguanaiguana]

Right now I like Galzria's case on J Reggie.

Vote: J Reggie

[mcmcsalot]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

This insinuates you support twm who was the one against jreggie. Ugh my note must be bad

[The_Wine_Merchant]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

mcmc. I think you misread your note. Eevee was defending me. Not JReggie.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I don't understand ppe and why I don't get them sometimes.

[iguanaiguana]

I wish I had time for more today, but I super don't! I'm going to go enjoy my evening and not think about who wants to lynch whom.

[mcmcsalot]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

mcmc. I think you misread your note. Eevee was defending me. Not JReggie.

Yea so was Gkrieg bad wording and note taking in my part.

[Galzria]

Cuzz has a lot of posts! More than I thought he would when I pulled him up, which means he's posted a lot of unmemorable stuff (sorry - but it's true, at least for me!).

There's a lot of short posts, which is part of why he doesn't really stand out. Votes all over the place. mcmc, O, gkrieg, Ash, RR, Iguana... definitely jumps around - but hasn't really ever gone TO a wagon (he started the one on mcmc if I recall. Not positive his vote was #1).

I like that he's at least attempted to post a "reason" for each of his votes, varied as they are. And he's pushed/questioned others to defend making theirs. Definitely townie points in my eyes for that.

Actually... without wanting to drag up every post he's made, Cuzz is my strongest town read right now by far. I just like the way he's playing. Yes, his posts aren't long, but there's meat to many of them. And his thoughts on playstyle (and d1) and almost everything else mirror mine quite strongly. Some of that is NOT indicative of alignment of course - but I feel like a decent chunk is. If anybody wants exact quotes and examples of things he's said that I find towny, I'll be happy to provide.

[mcmcsalot]

I agree 100% with galz about cuzz, he's one of my top townreads as well.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

False.

Well we definitely have a better chance of lynching scum if we try to lynch scum instead of trying not to...

Part of a series of scummy posts from gkrieg. Not going to vote now because I don't know what the current vote count is. But at page 18 or so gkrieg just seems to be trying very hard to seem pro-town and such.

What would I do differently as town?

Well I just meant it looks like in this game you're a little more cheerleadery and less defiant in your reads. Not the best explanation but that's just the vibe I'm getting.