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[AndrewisFTTW]

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming

You are correct, Sir.

Unhelpful and sarcastic posts. Sounds familiar.

That's funny.

I'm not trying to be funny. You took that out of context in an effort to discredit me. ash was making similar posts all game.

[Jimmmmm]

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming

You are correct, Sir.

Unhelpful and sarcastic posts. Sounds familiar.

That's funny.

I'm not trying to be funny. You took that out of context in an effort to discredit me. ash was making similar posts all game.

You weren't trying to be funny, no, but you were describing your own post.

I didn't take it out of context at all, nor did I use it to try to discredit you.

[AndrewisFTTW]

That WW, ash and Andrew all combined their powers to the ultimate goal of making ash looked blocked? WW targeted Andrew and redirected that power to ash?

Didn't ash suggest something like that? To me it seems pointless and farfetched. I don't believe for a second that ash was ever blocked and nobody can definitively prove he was or wasn't at any period of time. The best explanation for keeping me alive that I can see is that when WW was alive he could redirect my night action wherever and ultimately they can push for what they see as an easy mislynch whenever it might be most useful, like right now.

Also notice that ash didn't lie about his role and I don't think Jimm is either. That doesn't mean he isn't scum. I'm not going to push for Jimm to flavor claim anymore but I will say that it's ridiculous considering that everyone else has done it and even if it doesn't matter whatsoever, there is absolutely no reason why Jimm should be so defensive about it. I'm asked him to flavor claim a few times over the past few days. If he missed the first request, fine. The second one, fine. But flat out refusing to flavor claim? I just don't get it.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm not going to push for Jimm to flavor claim anymore but I will say that it's ridiculous considering that everyone else has done it and even if it doesn't matter whatsoever, there is absolutely no reason why Jimm should be so defensive about it. I'm asked him to flavor claim a few times over the past few days. If he missed the first request, fine. The second one, fine. But flat out refusing to flavor claim? I just don't get it.

Point to where I was defensive about. Why are you making such a big deal out of flavour claiming?

[Jimmmmm]

That should say "defensive about it".

[AndrewisFTTW]

You weren't trying to be funny, no, but you were describing your own post.

I didn't take it out of context at all, nor did I use it to try to discredit you.

Ok Jimm. Here is the full post and it's one sentence long. You don't have to quote the whole thing but you purposefully omitted the part that would actually get across what I was trying to say. I bolded it for you.

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming and only claiming the obvious results from his fake claimed night actions (no result from shraeye (dead), WW targeting me (would know this from scum QT), Arch (no result from D1 targeting), and me (of course I was going to doctor Arch).

Are you referring to this post when you say I was describing my own post?

Unhelpful and sarcastic posts. Sounds familiar.

Because this is neither sarcastic nor unhelpful. ash had a similar posting style to how you are posting now, which is sarcastic, empty, and meant to annoy and discredit. ash is conf!scum. There is a connection here.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I'm not going to push for Jimm to flavor claim anymore but I will say that it's ridiculous considering that everyone else has done it and even if it doesn't matter whatsoever, there is absolutely no reason why Jimm should be so defensive about it. I'm asked him to flavor claim a few times over the past few days. If he missed the first request, fine. The second one, fine. But flat out refusing to flavor claim? I just don't get it.

Point to where I was defensive about. Why are you making such a big deal out of flavour claiming?

The point is you're reluctant to post it. Whether it's because you think it might be incriminating or you're lazy or you don't think it matters is irrelevant. If town thinks it matters (which town did, a couple days ago now), there's no reason why you should be so reluctant to post it.

[Jimmmmm]

You weren't trying to be funny, no, but you were describing your own post.

I didn't take it out of context at all, nor did I use it to try to discredit you.

Ok Jimm. Here is the full post and it's one sentence long. You don't have to quote the whole thing but you purposefully omitted the part that would actually get across what I was trying to say. I bolded it for you.

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming and only claiming the obvious results from his fake claimed night actions (no result from shraeye (dead), WW targeting me (would know this from scum QT), Arch (no result from D1 targeting), and me (of course I was going to doctor Arch).

You seem to think I was using this post as part of some grand case against you. What you said sounded funny. You said either I was a Tracker or I was fake-claiming. Sure there was an and after that, but the part I quoted still meant the same by itself as it means in context.

Are you referring to this post when you say I was describing my own post?

Unhelpful and sarcastic posts. Sounds familiar.

Because this is neither sarcastic nor unhelpful. ash had a similar posting style to how you are posting now, which is sarcastic, empty, and meant to annoy and discredit. ash is conf!scum. There is a connection here.

Maybe it wasn't literally sarcasm, but the tone I inferred was something similar. And on its own it's not helpful at all. I thought you were referring to me being unhelpful.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm not going to push for Jimm to flavor claim anymore but I will say that it's ridiculous considering that everyone else has done it and even if it doesn't matter whatsoever, there is absolutely no reason why Jimm should be so defensive about it. I'm asked him to flavor claim a few times over the past few days. If he missed the first request, fine. The second one, fine. But flat out refusing to flavor claim? I just don't get it.

Point to where I was defensive about. Why are you making such a big deal out of flavour claiming?

The point is you're reluctant to post it. Whether it's because you think it might be incriminating or you're lazy or you don't think it matters is irrelevant. If town thinks it matters (which town did, a couple days ago now), there's no reason why you should be so reluctant to post it.

I'm not reluctant to post it. I'm flat out refusing. If you gave a reason it might help that could be another thing.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I'm not going to push for Jimm to flavor claim anymore but I will say that it's ridiculous considering that everyone else has done it and even if it doesn't matter whatsoever, there is absolutely no reason why Jimm should be so defensive about it. I'm asked him to flavor claim a few times over the past few days. If he missed the first request, fine. The second one, fine. But flat out refusing to flavor claim? I just don't get it.

Point to where I was defensive about. Why are you making such a big deal out of flavour claiming?

The point is you're reluctant to post it. Whether it's because you think it might be incriminating or you're lazy or you don't think it matters is irrelevant. If town thinks it matters (which town did, a couple days ago now), there's no reason why you should be so reluctant to post it.

I'm not reluctant to post it. I'm flat out refusing. If you gave a reason it might help that could be another thing.

The point isn't that you "dig through your PMs" for your flavor anymore. The point is exactly what you said, you're refusing, which is unhelpful and uncooperative for town. It also makes you look like you have something to hide.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Ok Jimm. Here is the full post and it's one sentence long. You don't have to quote the whole thing but you purposefully omitted the part that would actually get across what I was trying to say. I bolded it for you.

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming and only claiming the obvious results from his fake claimed night actions (no result from shraeye (dead), WW targeting me (would know this from scum QT), Arch (no result from D1 targeting), and me (of course I was going to doctor Arch).

You seem to think I was using this post as part of some grand case against you. What you said sounded funny. You said either I was a Tracker or I was fake-claiming. Sure there was an and after that, but the part I quoted still meant the same by itself as it means in context.

Cutting a sentence in half to make it sound like I'm saying something that I'm not is indeed taking something out of context. I don't see how you can possibly argue this. By doing that, you made me sound like I'm posting something ridiculously obvious and thus just posting for the sake of posting. Thus, you were trying to discredit me.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Ok Jimm. Here is the full post and it's one sentence long. You don't have to quote the whole thing but you purposefully omitted the part that would actually get across what I was trying to say. I bolded it for you.

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming and only claiming the obvious results from his fake claimed night actions (no result from shraeye (dead), WW targeting me (would know this from scum QT), Arch (no result from D1 targeting), and me (of course I was going to doctor Arch).

You seem to think I was using this post as part of some grand case against you. What you said sounded funny. You said either I was a Tracker or I was fake-claiming. Sure there was an and after that, but the part I quoted still meant the same by itself as it means in context.

Are you referring to this post when you say I was describing my own post?

Unhelpful and sarcastic posts. Sounds familiar.

Because this is neither sarcastic nor unhelpful. ash had a similar posting style to how you are posting now, which is sarcastic, empty, and meant to annoy and discredit. ash is conf!scum. There is a connection here.

Maybe it wasn't literally sarcasm, but the tone I inferred was something similar. And on its own it's not helpful at all. I thought you were referring to me being unhelpful.

Yes I am referring to you being unhelpful. Your posting style has suddenly changed into quick smart remarks and mocking anecdotes. I pointed out that scum!ash was doing the same thing. There's no sarcasm and I was being completely serious when I posted that. How can you turn around and call that post and my other one, which were both essentially scumhunting, unhelpful?

[Jimmmmm]

Ok Jimm. Here is the full post and it's one sentence long. You don't have to quote the whole thing but you purposefully omitted the part that would actually get across what I was trying to say. I bolded it for you.

yuma I think Jimm is either actually a tracker or he's fake claiming and only claiming the obvious results from his fake claimed night actions (no result from shraeye (dead), WW targeting me (would know this from scum QT), Arch (no result from D1 targeting), and me (of course I was going to doctor Arch).

You seem to think I was using this post as part of some grand case against you. What you said sounded funny. You said either I was a Tracker or I was fake-claiming. Sure there was an and after that, but the part I quoted still meant the same by itself as it means in context.

Cutting a sentence in half to make it sound like I'm saying something that I'm not is indeed taking something out of context. I don't see how you can possibly argue this. By doing that, you made me sound like I'm posting something ridiculously obvious and thus just posting for the sake of posting. Thus, you were trying to discredit me.

You DID post something ridiculously obvious. The fact that you added something less obvious is besides the point. Regardless, this is a silly argument.

[yuma]

OK:

so my main point right now is still this. Let me arrange it a little better...

If Andrew is scum then Jimmmm is town. From there two things happen Night2.

1. WW targets Andrew (partner) to redirect the power specifically to ash (partner)
2. WW targets Andrew (partner) to redirect to someone (apparently it was on ash...)

If Jimmmm is scum then Andrew is town. From there two things happen Night2.

3. WW targets Andrew (non-partner) to redirect the power to ash (partner)
4. WW targets Andrew (non-partner) to redirect the power to someone (apparently it was on ash...)

Out of these three I think 1. is the least likely. Using three mafia powers to the total effect of ashersky getting roleblocked just isn't worth it.

Number 2 I think is unlikely as well. Why wouldn't Andrew just use his power to block someone originally and allow WW to target another townie to wreck havoc on town.

3 I think could be possible to potentially jailkeep ash and save him from a SK or Vig death. But I think 4 is the most likely (assuming the chances that mafia could choose who to redirect to compared to not being able to choose are equal... we don't know since we don't know WW's PM) as I think it is the best play. Mafia uses a strong PR to 1. block it and 2. move it to another town PR. It is entirely possible that this is what happened and ash just pretended to be blocked. We don't know. Maybe they redirected it to me? Or arch? or something else.

Anyways....

This is a point for me.

Along with my consistent town read on Andrew all game and my scum read on Jimmmm.

I am ready to vote for Jimmmm.

Arch if you think different you will have to convince me...

vote: Jimmmmm

[Jimmmmm]

If Jimmmm is scum then Andrew is town. From there two things happen Night2.

3. WW targets Andrew (non-partner) to redirect the power to ash (partner)
4. WW targets Andrew (non-partner) to redirect the power to someone (apparently it was on ash...)

If I'm scum, how do you know who WW targeted?

[yuma]

If Jimmmm is scum then Andrew is town. From there two things happen Night2.

3. WW targets Andrew (non-partner) to redirect the power to ash (partner)
4. WW targets Andrew (non-partner) to redirect the power to someone (apparently it was on ash...)

If I'm scum, how do you know who WW targeted?

I am assuming you are telling the truth since you are scum and would know and want a claim that is potentially true.

But even if we disregard your information it makes the most sense to me.

A known powerful PR has claimed. You have a redirector. What scum team doesn't jump up and down with glee and think... we can redirect him thus blocking him and gaining a blocking role for ourselves! Awesome! So if you are scum I am pretty confident that WW targeted Andrew.

[Jorbles]

"If you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips"--Birgitte Silverbow

Vote Count 5.2

Jimmmmm (2): AndrewisFTTW, yuma

Not Voting (2): Jimmmmm, Archetype

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Day 5 ends on Monday, May 12 at 11 PM FT (note the shortened deadline).

[AndrewisFTTW]

Alright Arch, it's up to you.

[yuma]

Alright Arch, it's up to you.

Arch?

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: Andrew obviously.

[yuma]

Well arch has been online and hasn't hammered for the win... so I at this point he is confirmed town to me. Now just hope I am right about Jimmmm.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Well arch has been online and hasn't hammered for the win... so I at this point he is confirmed town to me. Now just hope I am right about Jimmmm.

I was thinking that, but I'd still like to see a post.

[Jimmmmm]

Well arch has been online and hasn't hammered for the win... so I at this point he is confirmed town to me. Now just hope I am right about Jimmmm.

You're not.

[yuma]

Well arch has been online and hasn't hammered for the win... so I at this point he is confirmed town to me. Now just hope I am right about Jimmmm.

You're not.

Blast!

[yuma]

Arch... I see you....

We don't need a vote right now, but where are you at? Do you still need some time? When do you think you will be ready to vote/discuss/etc.... I am kinda dying to know if I am right or not...