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[XerxesPraelor]

That's a lot of text.  Sadly my extra thing isn't that powerful. If someone is at a "meeting" with me and I send a message to them, I become mod-confirmed town to them.

Xeiron said he did not get my alignment confirmed to him.

[Jimmmmm]

Night 2 I Tracked Witherweaver. The ONLY person he targeted was Andrew. I think that probably means he was targeting Andrew for the Nightkill?

Or redirecting his power.

I say this because, well, Andrew didn't die.  So if he was trying to kill him, why didn't he die?

Scumspiracy theory: Andrew's role works as described (a dual role that lets him do both if he is targeted), so they used one scum role (redirector) to direct another scum role (RB + ?) to whomever they wanted?

If he redirected from Andrew to someone else, I would have seen the other name as well right? I checked with mail-mi, and Witherweaver only targeted Andrew.

[Jimmmmm]

Obviously if we don't have an explanation as to how Andrew survived that casts some doubt onto it being the kill, but I don't think I'd only see one name for a redirection.

[ashersky]

Night 2 I Tracked Witherweaver. The ONLY person he targeted was Andrew. I think that probably means he was targeting Andrew for the Nightkill?

Or redirecting his power.

I say this because, well, Andrew didn't die.  So if he was trying to kill him, why didn't he die?

Scumspiracy theory: Andrew's role works as described (a dual role that lets him do both if he is targeted), so they used one scum role (redirector) to direct another scum role (RB + ?) to whomever they wanted?

If he redirected from Andrew to someone else, I would have seen the other name as well right? I checked with mail-mi, and Witherweaver only targeted Andrew.

I don't know, but my mod gut says you are conflating redirector with bus driver.  Bus driver switches two players, so you would target two.  Redirector aims someone else where they want, so I think you'd only target one.

I could be wrong, although that's how I'd mod it.

Andrew is alive, I was blocked.  If Andrew is telling the truth, redirected makes the most sense.  If you are telling the truth, scum targeted Andrew and he didn't die, so it seems likely he's either a partner who needed redirecting or not scum.  (I guess he could be a third party, but I just don't see that.)

[Jimmmmm]

My understanding of Redirector is that you target two players, and all other actions that target the first player are redirected to the second player. After I got my result and saw WW's flip I asked mail-mi if that meant he ONLY targeted Andrew, and he said it did.

[ashersky]

I'm a Role Cop.

I targeted TA on N1, and he's a 1-shot Forsaken-immune Thief. 

I targeted Jimmmmm on N2, but got a no result result.  Hence knowing I was blocked.  Commuting or Hiding could have caused a no result, but Jimmmmm didn't claim those.

Lots of investigative roles claimed/flipped:

Tainted Cop (ADK), Tracker (Jimmmmm), Voyeur (Faust), Thief (TA), Role Cop (Ash)

The funny thing is, except for Tainted Cop, this isn't the craziest thing to see.  You've got Tracker and Voyeur, which are bits of a JOAT, and you've got Thief and Role Cop, which are both weaker than full cop since they focus on Flavor and Role (former and latter).  I don't know what Tainted Cop is, except I'm guessing that it's a cop that looks for the "tainted" players.  Maybe that's the FBI Agent (SK Cop) of the game?

That'd be a lot of smaller investigative roles in the game.  Not everyone has claimed shots, of course, so we don't know the limitations there.

If most or all of these are true, scum has roles that would help deflect this.  Redirector is clearly one.  Maybe there's a Godfather type role, maybe ninja/strongman?

[ashersky]

My understanding of Redirector is that you target two players, and all other actions that target the first player are redirected to the second player. After I got my result and saw WW's flip I asked mail-mi if that meant he ONLY targeted Andrew, and he said it did.

Mafiascum says: A Redirector is a role that causes all actions taken a specific by a specific player at Night to target a specific second player instead of whatever their original target was.

I mean, mod decision I guess, but to me, Redirector Targets Player A and tells the mod all of Player A's actions will target Player B.  So Redirector Targets A, A targets B.

[ashersky]

Everyone but Xeiron has claimed, right?

[Jimmmmm]

I mean, mod decision I guess, but to me, Redirector Targets Player A and tells the mod all of Player A's actions will target Player B.  So Redirector Targets A, A targets B.

You may be right. I'd find it weird if you can name and affect a player, but not "target" them. If there's no explanation as to how Andrew could have survived a NK we may have to assume you're right. Of course, it would seem that someone survived a NK.

[ashersky]

I mean, mod decision I guess, but to me, Redirector Targets Player A and tells the mod all of Player A's actions will target Player B.  So Redirector Targets A, A targets B.

You may be right. I'd find it weird if you can name and affect a player, but not "target" them. If there's no explanation as to how Andrew could have survived a NK we may have to assume you're right. Of course, it would seem that someone survived a NK.

At least one, right?  I mean, we only have one claimed vig, and that's yuma, who killed scum last night.

We had two deaths on N1, both town.  No one has claimed those.  Then no town deaths on N2?

Thing is, we've seen 1 claim that could block a kill (Andrew) and no one else.  There's blocking, but you either argue that Andrew RBed the killer or doctored the target, and you still seem to be missing a second kill, unless the SK shot WW along with yuma.

One theory that's been floated is:

yuma shoots WW
SK shoots WW
mafia shoots yuma
Andrew docs yuma

That results in three shots but one death.

[ashersky]

Flavor: matt cauthon.

Role: tainted semi-ascetic townie
It means I am:
- Immune against night action using the one power.
- If i loose my dagger i becomes hated the next day, and dies the next night.

So basically you are a completely negative utility? Do you know what the one power is that you are immune to?

http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/One_Power

Maybe SK is a channeler?  Are they bad?

[ashersky]

We also may need to be careful, with 8 alive, after lynch that's 7, xeiron's death + mafia death + SK death could leave us at 4 with 2 mafia remaining. Although I think no-lynching isn't in our best interest, because I think we have a decent chance of hitting scum today, and even if we mislynch the SK will definitely be shooting at mafia, so that's 2 chances.

Doesn't this math make a Xeiron lynch better today?

[yuma]

That's a lot of text.  Sadly my extra thing isn't that powerful. If someone is at a "meeting" with me and I send a message to them, I become mod-confirmed town to them.

Xeiron said he did not get my alignment confirmed to him.

this is consistent with something you said at the start of hte game, I won't pull the quote but I very much remember it...

[yuma]

I'm a Role Cop.

I targeted TA on N1, and he's a 1-shot Forsaken-immune Thief. 

I guess I don't understand why this makes TA town... He is a 1-shot? Then how has he used his role twice?

[yuma]

One theory that's been floated is:

yuma shoots WW
SK shoots WW
mafia shoots yuma
Andrew docs yuma

That results in three shots but one death.

Or...
yuma shoots WW
SK shoots yuma (blocked by Arch and Andrew)
mafia shoots yuma (blocked by Arch and Andrew)

[xeiron]

Flavor: matt cauthon.

Role: tainted semi-ascetic townie
It means I am:
- Immune against night action using the one power.
- If i loose my dagger i becomes hated the next day, and dies the next night.

So basically you are a completely negative utility? Do you know what the one power is that you are immune to?

The one power , is a flavor thing. It is magic in the WOT- universe,

Sudgy
A Drowned Kernel
Xerxes
Andrew
Yuma
Archetype
and all of the forsaken (mafia)
Are all charackter that in the book can use The one power.

Some of them apperently have roles that don't use this power.

I am mostly negative utility, except for one addition. I get notified if one or more player tried to use the one power on me during a night. This has not jet happened.

[XerxesPraelor]

Vote:ash
Lies going around here, and Ashersky is scummier than TA to me. (I was almost viable lynch candidate, and that's where scum really needs to vote.)

The situation makes lynching xeiron also possible.

I'll make a list of all claims in a bit.

[xeiron]

I'm a Role Cop.

I targeted TA on N1, and he's a 1-shot Forsaken-immune Thief. 

I guess I don't understand why this makes TA town... He is a 1-shot? Then how has he used his role twice?

I think it means TA is 1-shot bulletproof (only from mafia kills) and a theif.
A serialkiller role if I ever saw one.

[XerxesPraelor]

Oh. unvote

[yuma]

I'm a Role Cop.

I targeted TA on N1, and he's a 1-shot Forsaken-immune Thief. 

I guess I don't understand why this makes TA town... He is a 1-shot? Then how has he used his role twice?

I think it means TA is 1-shot bulletproof (only from mafia kills) and a theif.
A serialkiller role if I ever saw one.

ah, 1-shot Immune. Ok.

Do you think he targeted you last night? Xerxes can you confirm that you have the object TA said you had?

[xeiron]

One theory that's been floated is:

yuma shoots WW
SK shoots WW
mafia shoots yuma
Andrew docs yuma

That results in three shots but one death.

Or...
yuma shoots WW
SK shoots yuma (blocked by Arch and Andrew)
mafia shoots yuma (blocked by Arch and Andrew)

or...

yuma shoots WW
SK shoots yuma (blocked by arch)
Mafia shoots TA (blocked by forsaken immune)

or...
yuma shoots WW
SK shoots WW
Mafia Ashersky is blocked by a redirected Andrew.

There is suddenly lots of possibilities.

[yuma]

I think we still also need Andrew to claim his night1 actions and reverify what he did night2

[XerxesPraelor]

The object TA mentioned is not in my PM.

[xeiron]

I'm a Role Cop.

I targeted TA on N1, and he's a 1-shot Forsaken-immune Thief. 

I guess I don't understand why this makes TA town... He is a 1-shot? Then how has he used his role twice?

I think it means TA is 1-shot bulletproof (only from mafia kills) and a theif.
A serialkiller role if I ever saw one.

ah, 1-shot Immune. Ok.

Do you think he targeted you last night? Xerxes can you confirm that you have the object TA said you had?

Yes I think TA targeted me.

Ashersky just said his role name was theif, not bard as TA claimed. Smells like a fakeclaim.

TA also claimed to have targeted a already known flavor. It means he could have just googled a item to tie with the flavor. cuendillar is related to the flavor of Egwene, but totally unrelated to the role Xerxes has in this game. This stands in contrast to the maiden spear - a object both tied to the flavor of Aviendha and to the role of Vigilante.

I know something was stolen from me. The natural explanation is that the theif did it.

[yuma]

The object TA mentioned is not in my PM.

hmmmm.... does anyone else have this object in their flavor name? I guess technically the maiden spears weren't in my PM, but instead where in my flavor name....

Maybe TA's investigation was redirected somewhere via WW? No... not according to Jimmmmm.