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[ashersky]

Well then should I just day-vig one of the players not currently around and hasn't been around?

I mean... we have had time to get a lynch... 10 days if I remember right. I have been trying to get people to look elsewhere the entire game it feels like, so maybe we need to go back and see who has tried to stop looking elsewhere?

Are you offering your dayvig in exchange for a no lynch?  That's...interesting.

It just lets everyone off the hook for D1, though.  I don't like that.

[yuma]

Alright fine... vote: sudgy

[yuma]

I am going to be off again, might be back, but might not...

[Twistedarcher]

Well then should I just day-vig one of the players not currently around and hasn't been around?

I mean... we have had time to get a lynch... 10 days if I remember right. I have been trying to get people to look elsewhere the entire game it feels like, so maybe we need to go back and see who has tried to stop looking elsewhere?

I am probably the first person you will find if you look at that...Ash too...but I do agree with the sentiment that the stalled wagons are more likely to be scum.

The thing is the wagons fell apart not for good reasons IMO but because others just moved elsewhere...I don't know if it's cause people were bored or what but there were not really any major defenses for either player...yet people moved their votes....

I don't think there has been any real "direction" in another wagon, just more of "Hey, something scummy, let's vote here!" on like 6 different players. People have been moving votes but no one has really been "driving" any other wagon so that let to today's vote count where no one had more than 3 votes.

I am personally more interested in lynching the wagons we have than other ones...cause it seems those wagons are being formed just for the heck of it honestly...like "Hey, we have 3 days left, let's see if this sticks!"....no one has been super driving wagons and it means that nothing outside Andrew/Sudgy stuck.

[ashersky]

So that's 5 on sudgy, 4 on Andrew.

Jimmmmm, sounded more likely to vote Andrew.  We've got 90 minutes.

[Twistedarcher]

Faust is probably asleep already...no idea if Shraeye will get back on...

[Twistedarcher]

It looks like we may end up going for whomever of Sudgy/Andrew Jimmmmm lands on if Shraeye doesn't show up.

[Witherweaver]

I'm on my phone now and haven't read the last bunch of exchanges.  I have a volleyball game soon so I won't be on for the deadline.

[shraeye]

here; catching up on last 150 posts. 

Don't want Andrew. 

Do want ash or faust.  High suspicion there.  I'm suspicious of ash's arguments for pulling people back to andrew ("it's a suspiciously stalling wagon; must be scum!").  I think that argument resonates well, but isn't necessarily true.

[shraeye]

I like my vote for sudgy. People should vote for sudgy.

WHY?

Why not?

There have already been stated reasons for voting for him that should have been quite apparent as you caught up.

Why not? sudgy is a super-easy mislynch, so I want more reasoning than "well, he placed a strange vote".

this almost makes me want to add sudgy to the list;  I'll ahve to look more at their interactions before committing to that based on this one post.

[shraeye]

That should read "he tries to discredit yuma"

Isn't ash also discrediting yuma?  but nonetheless you only have great things to say about ash.  suspicious.

I don't want to lynch ashersky. He is a great player, helps the game progress, and there is no reason I can see to lynch him

[shraeye]

and seriously guys, why are we starting new wagon after new wagon, we need to get a lynch through and none of this is working towards it. we are going to end up no-lynching today.

Is not lynching something we have to avoid?

No, but everybody will say it is.  they're wrong though.

[shraeye]

If both TA and Ash votes for Andrew, that is still just {L-1}

It would be really nice if Faust, Yuma,  shraeye or jimmmmm could show up and move their vote to a useful place.

my vote IS in a useful place.  i think ash is highly likely to be scum.

[shraeye]

This vote count is a joke guys...come on. We can do better than this. We should be lynching Andrew and/or Sudgy.

I don't like Andrew AT ALL!

And tell me... does sudgy remind you of sudgy in LOR2. You were in that game I remember... It is eerily similar....

I see no reason why we couldn't have gone for another wagon... maybe now it is too late, but we had time to do so but people kept trying to stop that from happening which makes me think that mafia is fine lynching both!

Let's lynch faust! vote: faust or Jimmmm or WW

I would definitely lynch faust as well.

[shraeye]

I'll be around via phone, but I think that people should DEFINITELY not vote just to get a lynch.  That's not the smart play here, even if ash tells you it is.

[Twistedarcher]

So are you not gonna vote Sudgy or Andrew?

[ashersky]

shraeye, I know you've had a nice string of good games, but you can't just play the "I'm shraeye, I'm god, do what I say" card over and over.  It's condescending and rude, and it doesn't help anyone.

[Twistedarcher]

Less than an hour to go. We need you to vote for a lynch, Jim

[shraeye]

I think it is helpful to question overused and abusable mantras.  I don't think 'come on guys we gotta lynch someone, and stalled wagons mean Andrew is guilty' is completely accurate, and I'm currently accusing you of abusing it. 

People can choose to agree or disagree, its clear that you disagree.

[Twistedarcher]

Yes, I disagree, I want a lynch today, even discounting that Andrew and Sudgy are both on my "want to lynch" list. Not only do I feel that lynching someone is better, it's also more fun!

[ashersky]

I think it is helpful to question overused and abusable mantras.  I don't think 'come on guys we gotta lynch someone, and stalled wagons mean Andrew is guilty' is completely accurate, and I'm currently accusing you of abusing it. 

People can choose to agree or disagree, its clear that you disagree.

Disagreeing on the virtues of no lynch and whether stalled wagons implicate anything in regards to a player's alignment are fine; it doesn't make either side of the argument scum.  Those are actual theory/strategy/playstyle beliefs that transcend games and alignments.  It could just as easily be its own thead.

You thinking no lynch is fine isn't scummy.  I think it's wrong, but has nothing to do with your alignment.  Me thinking no lynch is not fine is the same thing.  However, scum prefers no lynch if the wagon is on scum, right?  Given I think at least one wagon is on scum, people pushing no lynch seem scummy to me, because it could be partner protection.

You don't even give a reason for your "no lynch is awesomesauce" argument.

[yuma]

Honestly I agree with you shraeye, but I feel that these guys are holding over mine and your head the threat of lynching andrew if we don't vote sudgy.

That I guess if enough, I don't like it, but I would rather lynch someone I am kinda sure about than someone I am very sure about....

It sucks, but this is the sitaution we are in because people werne't willing to do anything about it earlier. If you had come in maybe say yesterday, or even a few hours ago... with the willingness ot vote faust... we could do something we might.

But now... it is them voting Andrew unless we do something to stop it....

[ashersky]

Jimmmmm, I know you are around, you've been posting elsewhere.

[ashersky]

Honestly I agree with you shraeye, but I feel that these guys are holding over mine and your head the threat of lynching andrew if we don't vote sudgy.

That I guess if enough, I don't like it, but I would rather lynch someone I am kinda sure about than someone I am very sure about....

It sucks, but this is the sitaution we are in because people werne't willing to do anything about it earlier. If you had come in maybe say yesterday, or even a few hours ago... with the willingness ot vote faust... we could do something we might.

But now... it is them voting Andrew unless we do something to stop it....

Even if we vote Andrew, that's only L-1, and you get your No Lynch wish.

Jimmmmm needs to vote somewhere.


Jorbles, can we get an updated official vote count?

[yuma]

Can we all pause and take note of the people who aren't around right now. I am pretty positively sure there is scum there...