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[A Drowned Kernel]

It's in mail-mi's introduction post at the beginning, do we really want to get into this flavor claim stuff? It's probably not helpful and will confuse people who haven't read the books.

[faust]

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

Policy vote: Xerxes

Don't just flavor claim without us having a consensus about it.

[Witherweaver]

Does yuma get to vig every single day?

Does this mean you're Mordeth?

If I was Mordeth, I think I would know what kind of guy I am.

vote: faust
Sounds like he set himself up for this to look towny.

I get a town read on Faust.  It's suspicious, but, like, way too suspicious.  If he was scum and really didn't know, I can't see bringing up Mordeth as a worthwhile risk.  It being in his flavor text (though I'm not sure it is) points to him being Mat, which is as good as goodies get.

[Archetype]

Would some kind of DaySK work?

Vote: jimm
For implying that yuma is someone that we might want to lynch.

How is evaluating someone's claim voteworthy? I said it's pretty unlikely. I'd love to have an IC, but giving someone IC status without considering alternative explanations would be downright stupid. I think at this stage (obviously pending actually seeing him use his power), yuma's pretty close.

Getting defensive?
I take that as a sign that I might be on to something with my vote on you.

Vote: xeiron

Jimmmm was just asking a question (which my answer to is: no. I think it's very likely Yuma is Town). I think xeiron's vote was him jumping to conclusions too quickly.

[xeiron]

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

Please stop flavor-claiming.

I think this is a game where flavor matters.

Both because flavor and role are linked, and because I suspect that there are some events/mechanics going on based on chacacter interaction.  Flavor claiming can give scum too much information on who to kill, roleblock. Etc.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Would some kind of DaySK work?

Vote: jimm
For implying that yuma is someone that we might want to lynch.

How is evaluating someone's claim voteworthy? I said it's pretty unlikely. I'd love to have an IC, but giving someone IC status without considering alternative explanations would be downright stupid. I think at this stage (obviously pending actually seeing him use his power), yuma's pretty close.

Getting defensive?
I take that as a sign that I might be on to something with my vote on you.

Is there something wrong with getting defensive?

Mordeth is only mentioned in the first book so maybe faust read the first book and gave up or something. More importantly, who cares?

I don't like that xeiron still hasn't answered this.

[Archetype]

I'm iffy on faust. According to Wither, Moredeath would be a 3rd party role. This could be a ploy by 3rdparty!faust to gain Towncred, but I'm leaning Town. The way Wither reacted to Moredead is scummy in a way that makes me think he could be Moredead if Faust isn't.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: xeiron

Jimmmm was just asking a question (which my answer to is: no. I think it's very likely Yuma is Town). I think xeiron's vote was him jumping to conclusions too quickly.

The other reason flavor claiming is bad is that it's distracting us from the other thing that's happening that's actually important, which is Yuma's claim and people's reaction to it. I'm going to go ahead and agree with arch that xeiron jumping on Jim is voteworthy here.

Vote: xeiron

[shraeye]

Is there something wrong with getting defensive?

Mordeth is only mentioned in the first book so maybe faust read the first book and gave up or something. More importantly, who cares?

I don't like that xeiron still hasn't answered this.

This is a great question.  I also want xeiron to answer it.

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

Policy vote: Xerxes

Don't just flavor claim without us having a consensus about it.

A policy vote over that??  You, sir, have much stricter policies than I do.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Does yuma get to vig every single day?

Does this mean you're Mordeth?

If I was Mordeth, I think I would know what kind of guy I am.

vote: faust
Sounds like he set himself up for this to look towny.

I get a town read on Faust.  It's suspicious, but, like, way too suspicious.  If he was scum and really didn't know, I can't see bringing up Mordeth as a worthwhile risk.  It being in his flavor text (though I'm not sure it is) points to him being Mat, which is as good as goodies get.

This is weird. Why is faust getting towncred? xeiron already said he has a townread on faust, then this (after a somewhat lengthy back-and-forth), and now Arch after he said he's iffy on him? Hmmm...

[AndrewisFTTW]

Is a vote count possible?

[Witherweaver]

Does yuma get to vig every single day?

Does this mean you're Mordeth?

If I was Mordeth, I think I would know what kind of guy I am.

vote: faust
Sounds like he set himself up for this to look towny.

I get a town read on Faust.  It's suspicious, but, like, way too suspicious.  If he was scum and really didn't know, I can't see bringing up Mordeth as a worthwhile risk.  It being in his flavor text (though I'm not sure it is) points to him being Mat, which is as good as goodies get.

This is weird. Why is faust getting towncred? xeiron already said he has a townread on faust, then this (after a somewhat lengthy back-and-forth), and now Arch after he said he's iffy on him? Hmmm...

Because if he was scum, and he was honest about not knowing much about WoT, then bringing up Mordeth seems like a huge risk.  He wouldn't know what flavor implications that could have, and it doesn't make sense to take that risk if he has something to hide. 

He could actually be Mordeth.. but then why ask that question at all?  And I can't imagine Padan Fain and Mordeth being separate characters.  They're basically the same character throughout most of the series.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Does yuma get to vig every single day?

Does this mean you're Mordeth?

If I was Mordeth, I think I would know what kind of guy I am.

vote: faust
Sounds like he set himself up for this to look towny.

I get a town read on Faust.  It's suspicious, but, like, way too suspicious.  If he was scum and really didn't know, I can't see bringing up Mordeth as a worthwhile risk.  It being in his flavor text (though I'm not sure it is) points to him being Mat, which is as good as goodies get.

This is weird. Why is faust getting towncred? xeiron already said he has a townread on faust, then this (after a somewhat lengthy back-and-forth), and now Arch after he said he's iffy on him? Hmmm...

Because if he was scum, and he was honest about not knowing much about WoT, then bringing up Mordeth seems like a huge risk.  He wouldn't know what flavor implications that could have, and it doesn't make sense to take that risk if he has something to hide. 

He could actually be Mordeth.. but then why ask that question at all?  And I can't imagine Padan Fain and Mordeth being separate characters.  They're basically the same character throughout most of the series.

I doubt mail-mi made Mordeth a flavor character. But anyway, there's only three scum and sometimes they have to take huge risks. It's a null read for me right now but the argument is definitely WIFOM, and scum wants us to argue about things that don't have an obvious answer.

[A Drowned Kernel]

There's only three scum but there's also possibly (probably) at least one third party, i.e. a serial killer, which both town and scum have to worry about.

[Twistedarcher]

I don't get why Faust is voting xerxes for role claiming after claiming knowledge of mordath.

Not sure what to make of Faust - it's possible he's mordath but if he is I'd imagine he'd want to stay quiet. Which means if he's town he has some connection, which would verify that there is a sk in the game. It's also possible he's mafia an heard about mordath from his partners, but it doesn't seem extremely likely to me. It would mean though if he flips that its guaranteed his partner has previous wot knowledge though.

I disapprove of xerxes flavor claim but it reads towny to me.

[Twistedarcher]

@andrew and scum also wants us to be debating if there's a sk/ who it is, rather than who the mafia are.

[faust]

I don't get why Faust is voting xerxes for role claiming after claiming knowledge of mordath.

There's a difference between claiming because it might help use your role (which is what yuma did) and just randomly claiming (which is what Xerxes did). I think random claims are dangerous, since flavor is probably connected to roles, so I want to prevent them. Xerxes' claim could easily be a provided fakeclaim that he wanted to make use of. But what's more, my vote is there mainly to discourage people from doing stuff without considering the consequences.

[Twistedarcher]

Right I get that, but you are also claiming something too that maybe you shouldn't have, but turning around and voting xerxes for claiming.

Why did you ask about mordath in thread rather than just googling it?

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 1.1:

Jimmmm (1): xeiron
yuma (2): ashersky, sudgy
A Drowned Kernel (1): AndrewisFTTW
sudgy (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): XerxesPraelor
XerxesPraelor (1): faust
xeiron (2): Archetype, A Drowned Kernel

Not voting (4): Everyone else

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Jorbles]

The not voting players are: yuma, Twistedarcher, Witherweaver, shraeye.

(I thought I'd be able to edit it in later.)

[AndrewisFTTW]

@andrew and scum also wants us to be debating if there's a sk/ who it is, rather than who the mafia are.

Yeah you and ADK are right. In fact, I need to read up on roles some more. I'm heading out for a little bit, be back later.

PPE: Forgot I still had a vote on ADK. unvote

[Archetype]

I don't get why Faust is voting xerxes for role claiming after claiming knowledge of mordath.

There's a difference between claiming because it might help use your role (which is what yuma did) and just randomly claiming (which is what Xerxes did). I think random claims are dangerous, since flavor is probably connected to roles, so I want to prevent them. Xerxes' claim could easily be a provided fakeclaim that he wanted to make use of. But what's more, my vote is there mainly to discourage people from doing stuff without considering the consequences.

Twistedarcher makes a really good point. What I got from Xerxe's post is that it may actually help his role. I'll pull up his post in a little while.

[Archetype]

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

The bolded part is what I was referring to.

[sudgy]

Unvote.  People reacted to that a lot less than I was hoping they would... 

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

Policy vote: Xerxes

Don't just flavor claim without us having a consensus about it.

I'll also policy Vote: XerxesPraelor.  Where flavor is related to role, never claim it without consensus.

Speaking of flavor, does anybody have a place where I can look up flavor?

[faust]

Right I get that, but you are also claiming something too that maybe you shouldn't have, but turning around and voting xerxes for claiming.

Why did you ask about mordath in thread rather than just googling it?

I did google, but I was confused by what I found and couldn't tell if it meant he was good or evil. I have made the decision to ask after I considered the pros and cons.