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[Archetype]

Put me in for another RMM game. It'll (finally) be DoMafia 2. Any first time RMM game moderators that sign up for a game are welcome to hop in front of my position in the queue.

[shraeye]

Liopoil or raerae, still on hold for modding?

If so, Yuma can jump me in the invented queue.

OK, if raerae is not ready I will open it up in a day or so. BUT it will not accept /ins beyond half capacity until faust's game has started.

If raerae is hosting! Yay! Can I have an auto-/in?

I'm asking now.  She's still thinking about it, but wants to be pushed back one more time.

[ashersky]

Okay, raerae and lio are bumped again, with yuma's X-Men game taking the next Invented spot.

I think the priority now is getting Wheel of Time started, as the RMM queue is the long one.

My invented Monsters University game is ready, too.  It'll go after yuma's, unless raerae or liopoil are ready.


Joth, I think you said you'd invent your set up as well; post here when it's good to go.

[jotheonah]

Will do.

[yuma]

with yuma's X-Men game taking the next Invented spot.

X-Men mafia is now open. Come sign up! But first go sign up for this game

[Twistedarcher]

We haven't had a normal game with a serial killer in awhile now -- any particular reason why people are moving away from it? I quite like having the role in the game as town, gives town more stuff to figure out.

[yuma]

We haven't had a normal game with a serial killer in awhile now -- any particular reason why people are moving away from it? I quite like having the role in the game as town, gives town more stuff to figure out.

I think it has been moved away from because it is a hard role to play and win with (a game is rarely 33% town, 33% mafia 33% SK chances of winning). Most games are more 10% SK, 40% Mafia, 40% Town. Given we have only had one SK win out of ... I don't know how many... but quite a few I think shows this. The ++ games have the possibility of there being an SK. X-Men will have a possibility of having a SK in a way that I hope will be balanced.

[Voltaire]

I think we can definitely have them more...but they need buffs and very careful balance considerations, and that's tricky, and probably why mods are moving away from them.

And as yuma says, it's just chance our ++ setups missed them.

[Axxle]

One thing that I think we haven't done too much is for mods to give scum believable fakeclaims.

[yuma]

One thing that I think we haven't done too much is for mods to give scum believable fakeclaims.

In terms of flavor or roles? I think mods have modified how they assign flavor to account for that and make sure that flavor can't be used to break.

Roles... yes to an extent. Except that so many of the games we are hosting these days are open setups where mafia's fakeclaim possibilities are already written into the setup. In terms of closed setups I think there is a slight need for that, but are there any games specifically where you felt that it was lacking as we haven't had too many closed setups of late.

[ashersky]

Philosopher's Stone or Wheel of Time needs to fill and start ASAP.  I am without mafia!

[Axxle]

Philosopher's Stone or Wheel of Time needs to fill and start ASAP.  I am without mafia!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10673.new#new

I've already run into a few f.ds'ers there.

[shraeye]

Hey! I'll check that out!

[mail-mi]

Philosopher's Stone or Wheel of Time needs to fill and start ASAP.  I am without mafia!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10673.new#new

I've already run into a few f.ds'ers there.

Its more crazy than forum mafia, definitely

[ashersky]

Alright, hopefully we can get Wheel of Time and Philosopher's started up in the coming few days.  Then we can get the next RMM open for signups.

Does anyone want to run a standard setup next?  I'd nominate another run through of asher9++, as I'd like more data on that.

Then my Monster University invented awesomesauce can open.

[ashersky]

One game ongoing only.  Crazy.

yuma, is your off-week next week?

[ashersky]

ZM17 is here.

[Archetype]

Put me in for another RMM game. It'll (finally) be DoMafia 2. Any first time RMM game moderators that sign up for a game are welcome to hop in front of my position in the queue.

After thinking about the mechanic I planned on using, I realized it wouldn't work. So, instead put me down for running a smaller "The Office" RMM game.

[scott_pilgrim]

Okay I think I would like to jump in the queue for a 13-player Yoshi’s Island themed game.  The set-up is invented and will be either open or semi-open (probably the former).  I think it’s balanced but if someone else wants to take a look at it and let me know, that would be helpful.  I’m not really sure how Role Madness and Regular are defined, but I think this would be regular.  (Everyone or nearly everyone will have a PR, but they will mostly be simple, standard, weak, and 1-shot, kind of like Diffusion of Powers.)

[yuma]

Okay I think I would like to jump in the queue for a 13-player Yoshi’s Island themed game.  The set-up is invented and will be either open or semi-open (probably the former).  I think it’s balanced but if someone else wants to take a look at it and let me know, that would be helpful.  I’m not really sure how Role Madness and Regular are defined, but I think this would be regular.  (Everyone or nearly everyone will have a PR, but they will mostly be simple, standard, weak, and 1-shot, kind of like Diffusion of Powers.)

I would be willing to take a look. From the sounds of it you are veering close towards RMM if nearly everyone will have a role, regardless of how standard or weak they are. Diffusion of Power was kind of an exception as it was an established mafiascum setup and all roles were night specific and either cop or doc.

Here is the definition of RMM that we are currently working off:

Role Madness (RMM) is a category that generally includes more roles, variety, and creativity than a normal game.  It's defining factor is the interaction of the players through their role actions, usually but not only at night.  The line between Role Madness and Normal is fuzzy, but generally these characteristics would classify your game as RMM:

--nights take center stage in the game to diminishment of days
--no "vanilla" roles such as Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon
--minor alignment changes, specifically traitors and survivors
--greater focus on "fun" even at a cost to "balance"
--frequent role interaction above and beyond the "normal" investigation/protection/killing triad

The keystone to an RMM game is how the players use their roles to affect the outcome of the game.  This is in contrast to a normal game, where good scumhunting during the day will always be enough for town to win.

and here is normal:

And we come to normal games.  These are the hardest to define in spite of being the most restrictive category.  Normal games focus on the days, and the "essence" of social deception games.  The roles and their actions should not overshadow good scumhunting, normal interaction during the day in the game thread, or be able to thwart great town or scum play in thread.  The list for this category includes what "may" be part of the game, as opposed to the restrictive nature of the two categories above.

--may use a prepared set-up such as C9++
--may have fewer power roles than vanilla roles
--may be an "open" or "semi-open" set-up with all information available to the players ahead of time

Generally, if you've ruled out RMM or BM, you've got a normal game.  You should work through it in that manner, though.  Rule out the more complicated categories first, then settle here.

From the little you have said it appears your game looks closer to MXIX - DS9 than say Modern Community, both of which were at the time considered normal, but would not be considered RMM if run again.

[scott_pilgrim]

I just PM'd you with the set-up.

I'm still not really sure whether it counts as RMM or normal but I think you're right it probably leans more into RMM territory, you can tell me what you think though.

[ashersky]

Okay, we have no regular or RMM games playing right now.  That's insane.

[yuma]

Okay, we have no regular or RMM games playing right now.  That's insane horribly, terribly wrong and depressing.

FTFY

[yuma]

italics aren't the same as a strikethrough apparently...

[Robz888]

Peeps need to join that faust game.