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[Voltaire]

Actually maybe it's better if it's not Voltgloss who answers so it can be analyzed by others. I repose my question to anyone who feels like answering who is not Voltgloss.

Of the top of my head...

read starting around 288 for Galz's claim/sudgy's almost-claim, then keep reading for some reactions
read nkirbit's "slip" and the reactions
read where xeiron gets modkilled (it's at the end of the nkirbit stuff)
read bocaJ's claim and the response
read the end of the day/look at those wagons

and then otherwise it's up to you for what interactions you've seen referenced today look like they could be compelling.

[sudgy]

A quick google search seems to say I'm from Community.  (I'm showclaiming now because of Voltgloss' request)

[EFHW]

Not caught up, on phone, but saw the instructions to show claim.  I am from Community.

[Voltaire]

Dsell, your turn to showclaim.

[Voltaire]

The wagon on nkirbit, known town, at various times drew 10 unique votes.
mail-mi, xeiron, EFHW, bocaJ, Robz888, faust, sudgy, Walrus, chairs, mcmc

I also went back and looked at the Galzria wagon. He had 6 unique votes.
chairs, nkirbit, mcmc, lio, mail-mi, EFHW

I also looked at the shraeye wagon:
Voltaire, sudgy, mail-mi, Walrus, faust, chairs

and the wagon on Walrus today:
Archetype, AHoppy, faust

I honestly don't know what this means. I guess I just want it easier to reference later since it's probably important.

The more I think things through the more I think I want to put EFHW back into my lynch pool. I've looked at Galz's point every way, and I think that EFHW's Galz vote came in so late it can't be used to clear her. Galz clearly wasn't going to be lynched at that point, and I think it easily could have been made for cover/towncred down the line.

I think I also want to remove Robz from the lynch pool for today. Galz's reasons are plausible and though I actually disagree with much of his reasoning and actions, I don't see how he's not town due to shraeye's flip. (sidenote: who made the point that Galz would be a great SK candidate? I want to consider that). However, I think today the right thing to do is look for shraeye's partner, and that being Galz just doesn't make sense to me.

Eevee, EFHW, Twistedarcher, WalrusMcFishSr, Dsell

If Eevee is who he says he is, we can decide later if we need to lynch him.

EFHW, Twistedarcher, WalrusMcFishSr, Dsell

Out of this pool, I'd want to vote: Dsell or Walrus the most, I think. Walrus's post count dropping off today is a red flag, and Dsell made that fishy comment about nkirbit's "slip". Walrus avoided taking stands, though (in a townie this-is-confusing sort of way), and I did have a true town read on him yesterday (that is quite diminished today).

I do see the case on TA, but I do not want to lynch him today I do not think.

/all this pending finishing the showclaims, chairs's result, etc.

[Twistedarcher]

I do see the case on TA, but I do not want to lynch him today I do not think.

I'm sorry, what case? All I see is me being PoE'd by Galz. Did I miss a case being made on me?

It's very odd to me that you're already distancing yourself from a non-existent case...Unless I'm missing something, no one's made a case on me?

I can also claim now or I can wait for Dsell. I mean, it doesn't matter since everyone should know anyways.

[Twistedarcher]

I could get on board with a Dsell lynch as well. There were several downright scummy posts from him yesterday that I saw -- the two that stick out are his view on Nkirbit (who we now know is town), and him being completely ok lynching both Jorbles and Mcmc, but not budging towards EFHW.

[Voltaire]

I'm sorry, what case? All I see is me being PoE'd by Galz. Did I miss a case being made on me?

Note that I am also POEing you. That's the case on you.

I don't want to lynch you today because shraeye came after you. Could have been an attempt to give both of you cred. But in a 5-man scum team (my assumption until something proves otherwise), not everyone on the team will have bussed everyone.

[Voltaire]

I could get on board with a Dsell lynch as well. There were several downright scummy posts from him yesterday that I saw -- the two that stick out are his view on Nkirbit (who we now know is town), and him being completely ok lynching both Jorbles and Mcmc, but not budging towards EFHW.

Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch EFHW then?

[Twistedarcher]

I could get on board with a Dsell lynch as well. There were several downright scummy posts from him yesterday that I saw -- the two that stick out are his view on Nkirbit (who we now know is town), and him being completely ok lynching both Jorbles and Mcmc, but not budging towards EFHW.

Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch EFHW then?

Yes, it would. But I'd be happy to look at Dsell as an alternative, since, once again, no one is talking about EFHW again.

[Galzria]

I will not lynch EFHW.
I will not lynch Dsell.

[Twistedarcher]

You are so frustratingly wrong about EFHW, Galz. I don't know why you are giving her so much town credit but it's completely undeserved.

[Voltaire]

I will not lynch EFHW.
I will not lynch Dsell.

Galz, I just don't understand your playstyle. Can you please give reasons for these two statements.

Right now, I think it is most likely that we are on the same side. Shraeye's flip really has me thinking you're town. But I don't follow your reasoning (your first post about EFHW just had weird jumps in it), you're clearly actilurking, you're giving posts without reads, you waited forever to vote yesterday, you didn't follow your own D1 advice, etc. etc.

Suffice to say I am flummoxed.

[Galzria]

I will not lynch EFHW.
I will not lynch Dsell.

Galz, I just don't understand your playstyle. Can you please give reasons for these two statements.

Right now, I think it is most likely that we are on the same side. Shraeye's flip really has me thinking you're town. But I don't follow your reasoning (your first post about EFHW just had weird jumps in it), you're clearly actilurking, you're giving posts without reads, you waited forever to vote yesterday, you didn't follow your own D1 advice, etc. etc.

Suffice to say I am flummoxed.

They're both townreads.

A) "I'm clearly acti-lurking"
- Baseless and untrue.

B) "Your giving posts without reads"
- Blatantly false, my reads are very well established. Further, at least I've made reads with reasons, unlike most of your "reads" which just exist for the sake of existing and have no explanation.

C) "You waited forever to vote yesterday"
- I voted within one of my first couple of posts, arguably one of the earliest non-RVS votes of the game. The fact that it was on you has clearly escaped your memory.

D) "You didn't follow your own D1 advice"
- Nope, you're right about that. I developed reads instead. But you were more than happy to sheep right along with our IC and that "method". Look what it got us. Voltgloss has done some things well, and he's done some things terribly. I'll be happy to discuss where his mistakes were after the game.

[Voltaire]

This was the peak of the EFHW wagon. She was tied with our eventual lynch, mcmc. I've colored our flips.

Vote Count 1.33:

liopoil (7): Robz888, shraeye, AHoppy, Dsell, faust, sudgy, Galzria
nkirbit (1): bocaJ
sudgy (1): Eevee
mcmc (5): EFHW, Walrus, mail-mi, Archetype, chairs
chairs (1): nkirbit
EFHW (5): Voltgloss, Voltiare, mcmcsaolot, liopoil, Twistedarcher

Not Voting (0):

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on September 23 at 9:22 p.m.

OneHalf hour to deadline.

[Voltaire]

They're both townreads.

A) "I'm clearly acti-lurking"
- Baseless and untrue.

B) "Your giving posts without reads"
- Blatantly false, my reads are very well established. Further, at least I've made reads with reasons, unlike most of your "reads" which just exist for the sake of existing and have no explanation.

C) "You waited forever to vote yesterday"
- I voted within one of my first couple of posts, arguably one of the earliest non-RVS votes of the game. The fact that it was on you has clearly escaped your memory.

D) "You didn't follow your own D1 advice"
- Nope, you're right about that. I developed reads instead. But you were more than happy to sheep right along with our IC and that "method". Look what it got us. Voltgloss has done some things well, and he's done some things terribly. I'll be happy to discuss where his mistakes were after the game.

Ugh. I hesitated to even make that post because I knew you would come back attacking me. It's what you've been doing all game, except for that wonderful window after my mega-post today.

1. I think this is clearly true (usually a scummy trait, can easily be done by town as well who have nothing to say, I understand that). I've seen you reading the thread at various points without posting, and you showed up right away today when asked a question.

2. Then can you please direct me to your post that contains your read of Dsell. I am willing to trust you that it's out there. I cannot find it. This thread is huge.

3. I meant at the deadline, I was unclear.

4. It's stuff like this that makes you come across as so scummy to me. What do you mean, "look what it got us?"

[Galzria]

You are so frustratingly wrong about EFHW, Galz. I don't know why you are giving her so much town credit but it's completely undeserved.

Amazing how confident you are, when your only case on her has been that she was "lurking but not receiving attention" and "OMG 1 hour to deadline and we couldn't force her lynch through!".

You couldn't force her lynch because there hasn't been a legitimate case made on her, and every point you've "established" is either untrue (she wasn't lurking, she had almost 50 posts D1. They came in groupings because that's when she was available) - (she had plenty of content, asked questions, developed her reads, took stances, etc.), or equally true of others (She hadn't received much suspicion. Neither had AHoppy, who had 1/3 her posts and less content overall).

The fact that she was obviously a bad deadline lynch has no impact (and certainly not anything like you're trying to paint) on her alignment. People (excepting you and Voltaire) reread her and came to a pretty basic conclusion. She was a bad lynch choice.

Further, while you may disagree, her stance on my lynch came at a time when there was still very much a possibility of it going through. I'm not judging just when she voted, I'm judging based on when she first commented, and the conversation that resulted after. The entirety of her play just doesn't point towards partners with Shraeye.

[Voltaire]

4. It's stuff like this that makes you come across as so scummy to me. What do you mean, "look what it got us?"

More importantly, why didn't you point these things out/prevent them from happening etc.?

[Voltgloss]

Voltgloss has done some things well, and he's done some things terribly. I'll be happy to discuss where his mistakes were after the game.

Love you too, Galz.  :p

[Galzria]

Voltaire, you obviously have no experience with me, but I spend about 90% of my vast amount of time on the forums viewing from my phone. I've almost 50% again the most active f.ds user. I keep up with all my games from my mobile, but I only post when I need to. Even with that, must of my posts are made from my mobile. That's been the case since M-II, and it's not likely to change.

If I'm reading, it's to not fall behind. Much of the time I'm doing other things in other Apps and the browser is open in the background. Hardly even close to "actlurking".

[Voltaire]

Voltaire, you obviously have no experience with me, but I spend about 90% of my vast amount of time on the forums viewing from my phone. I've almost 50% again the most active f.ds user. I keep up with all my games from my mobile, but I only post when I need to. Even with that, must of my posts are made from my mobile. That's been the case since M-II, and it's not likely to change.

If I'm reading, it's to not fall behind. Much of the time I'm doing other things in other Apps and the browser is open in the background. Hardly even close to "actlurking".

Fine fine whatever. Most importantly, please direct me to your read on Dsell.

[Galzria]

Voltgloss has done some things well, and he's done some things terribly. I'll be happy to discuss where his mistakes were after the game.

Love you too, Galz.  :p

Hey, you abandoned me in Mafia Noir. I never forget.

[Galzria]

4. It's stuff like this that makes you come across as so scummy to me. What do you mean, "look what it got us?"

More importantly, why didn't you point these things out/prevent them from happening etc.?

Umm, I tried very hard to prevent mcmc's lynch....

[Voltgloss]

Voltgloss has done some things well, and he's done some things terribly. I'll be happy to discuss where his mistakes were after the game.

Love you too, Galz.  :p

Man, I typed this response flippantly but the more I think about it the more this comment makes me legit angry.  Like, unrelated-to-alignments and unrelated-to-the-game angry.  Just angry.  Like yuma-spiritbears angry.

I'll be back Monday.  No, this doesn't mean Galz is scum.  It does mean he's making me not want to play.

[Voltaire]

Voltgloss has done some things well, and he's done some things terribly. I'll be happy to discuss where his mistakes were after the game.

Love you too, Galz.  :p

Man, I typed this response flippantly but the more I think about it the more this comment makes me legit angry.  Like, unrelated-to-alignments and unrelated-to-the-game angry.  Just angry.  Like yuma-spiritbears angry.

I'll be back Monday.  No, this doesn't mean Galz is scum.  It does mean he's making me not want to play.

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