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[mail-mi]

vote: EFHW I trust town.

[Eevee]

Just posting to confirm I'm not scum.

[Eevee]

I won't hammer until EHFW gets here to plead her case.

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act IV.IV:

EFHW (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Eevee, EFHW

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

[mail-mi]

Eevee end the madness! I've told you exactly what my role does! Its been proven by nkirbit, raerae, and you! And raerae, a Town player!, has told u its EFHW! End the madness!

[Eevee]

That's so scummy!!

[mail-mi]

That's so scummy!!

What?!?!? I'm pleading my case, what else am I supposed to do?

[Eevee]

Is there any proof of your potion doing nothing but killing?

[mail-mi]

Is there any proof of your potion doing nothing but killing?

It didnt kill nkirbit.

[EFHW]

Needless to say, I was shocked to sign on this morning to find I was being accused by a flipped townie in all caps and huge font of being scum.  It’s taken me awhile, but I’ve put together my arguments about why I am not scum and why I think mail-mi is.  I hope you will consider my points really carefully as you make your decision. 

1.    Why raerae’s post is suspicious.

a.   The method of death is thematically inconsistent.  Hamlet’s father was killed by poison being poured in his ear, not stabbed.  That's not a detail Ash would get wrong.
b.   Why didn’t she spell out how she came to think I was her killer?
c.   Why didn’t she warn us D3 that this would be coming so that we would be more likely to believe her?
d.   What was the relevance of mentioning that mail-mi sent her a potion?  Did that contribute to her death?

2.   Why I’m not scum.

a.   Nothing in my play stands out as scummy.
b.   I was one of the leaders in the sudgy lynch.
c.   Sudgy let slip that his partner was male.
d.   I’d have come up with a fakeclaim that would exonerate me, instead of the kinda lame real claim I had to make instead.

3.   Why mail-mi is scum.  Some of the reasons above are theoretical.  These are all factual:

a.   He hasn’t done any scum-hunting.  He did fasten on you in response to your reading him as scum and peppered the thread with random attacks against you, but never making an actual case.
b.   He spontaneously defended sudgy on a number of occasions, when he didn’t give strong reads otherwise on other people.
c.   His role is quite negative utility if town, and we have only his word that there is a 1/3 chance of giving someone a boon. 
d.   There was a poison doctor – since when are there doctors to protect town from their own power roles?   There is no evidence that scum kills with poison.  In fact, raerae says she was stabbed.
e.   Like Proteus, his flavor name (fakename) is not unambiguously good – Friar Laurence came up with the crazy plan for Juliet to fake her death and failed to get the all important letter to Romeo on time.  He also ran when he could have stayed to protect Juliet and tell Romeo what happened.  All the town flavor characters have been sparkly clean heroes. 

[EFHW]

Is there any proof of your potion doing nothing but killing?

It didnt kill nkirbit.

I don't think his power is a killing power.  I think it is a supplemental scum power.

[EFHW]

Eevee end the madness! I've told you exactly what my role does! Its been proven by nkirbit, raerae, and you! And raerae, a Town player!, has told u its EFHW! End the madness!

"methinks he doth protest too much." (I couldn't resist  )

[mail-mi]

d.   What was the relevance of mentioning that mail-mi sent her a potion?  Did that contribute to her death?

No, or she would have died during the night, not after a post.

2.   Why I’m not scum.

a.   Nothing in my play stands out as scummy.

So? Remember Jimmmmm from RMM7? He wasn't very scummy there either.

b.   I was one of the leaders in the sudgy lynch.

Oh, so there's no such thing as bussing now, huh?

c.   Sudgy let slip that his partner was male.

WIFOM.

d.   I’d have come up with a fakeclaim that would exonerate me, instead of the kinda lame real claim I had to make instead.

Again, WIFOM. There can be such things as scum backups (that would actually be really cool).

3.   Why mail-mi is scum.  Some of the reasons above are theoretical.  These are all factual:

a.   He hasn’t done any scum-hunting.  He did fasten on you in response to your reading him as scum and peppered the thread with random attacks against you, but never making an actual case.

Sorry that I'm a student and don't have much time for things like this? And then there was my hawaii trip.

b.   He spontaneously defended sudgy on a number of occasions, when he didn’t give strong reads otherwise on other people.

Also sorry that I got a read wrong. Like that never happens.

c.   His role is quite negative utility if town, and we have only his word that there is a 1/3 chance of giving someone a boon. 

1. It is possible for scum to get it.
2. Town didn't have to drink it.

d.   There was a poison doctor – since when are there doctors to protect town from their own power roles?   There is no evidence that scum kills with poison.  In fact, raerae says she was stabbed.

Since when is there doctors to protect from vigs? Since when is this freakin' RMM??

e.   Like Proteus, his flavor name (fakename) is not unambiguously good – Friar Laurence came up with the crazy plan for Juliet to fake her death and failed to get the all important letter to Romeo on time.  He also ran when he could have stayed to protect Juliet and tell Romeo what happened.  All the town flavor characters have been sparkly clean heroes.

Um... so?

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act IV.V:

EFHW (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): Eevee, EFHW

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

[ashersky]

If after every tempest come such calms,
May the winds blow till they have waken'd death!

[EFHW]

mail-mi is so sarcastic. 

Yes there is WIFOM. 

I still maintain that it would be very strange to have a doctor to protect town from their own power role.  And if you were town, with such a dangerous power, why didn't you tell everyone not to drink the potion?  If it works like you said, the chances of hitting scum would have been smaller than hitting town, and there was also the slight chance of giving scum the great boon.  It really hurt town to have nkirbit out of commission that whole day.

The flavor names are relevant.  They reflect alignment.  Your character is flawed.  The other town characters are all idealized.  The scum character we know about is very flawed, since he betrayed Julia and tried to rape Silvia.

[Eevee]

EHFW is making a compelling case..

[EFHW]

I looked up Dogberry.  He is also from Much Ado About Nothing.

from Wikipedia:  In the play, Dogberry is the chief of the citizen-police in Messina.  .... Dogberry and his crew ... are ... given a thematic function, for it is they who (accidentally) uncover the plot of Don John and begin the process of restoration that leads to the play's happy conclusion. In that sense, Dogberry's comic ineptitude is made to serve the sense of a providential force overseeing the fortunate restoration of social and emotional order.

[mail-mi]

mail-mi is so sarcastic. 

Yes there is WIFOM. 

I still maintain that it would be very strange to have a doctor to protect town from their own power role.  And if you were town, with such a dangerous power, why didn't you tell everyone not to drink the potion?  If it works like you said, the chances of hitting scum would have been smaller than hitting town, and there was also the slight chance of giving scum the great boon.  It really hurt town to have nkirbit out of commission that whole day.

The flavor names are relevant.  They reflect alignment.  Your character is flawed.  The other town characters are all idealized.  The scum character we know about is very flawed, since he betrayed Julia and tried to rape Silvia.

I did. The day I claimed I did.

Eevee, both raerae and I are not going to be happy if you vote me and lose this game for town.

[EFHW]

Eevee, both raerae and I are not going to be happy if you vote me and lose this game for town.

Really?  This is why he should believe you are town?  There will be happy and unhappy people no matter how this turns out.

[mail-mi]

Eevee, both raerae and I are not going to be happy if you vote me and lose this game for town.

Really?  This is why he should believe you are town?  There will be happy and unhappy people no matter how this turns out.

What I'm saying is that a CONFIRMED TOWN whose role name is Town Ghost said that you stabbed her.

P.S. my Dictionary.com app just said that the word of the day was hamlet. Lol.

[EFHW]

Yes, I know, believe me.  But she doesn't say why she thinks that or what the source of her information is and there is nothing else to point to me being scum.

And since apparently scum do nightkills by stabbing, that means the poison doctor was there to protect town against you.

[mail-mi]

Yes, I know, believe me.  But she doesn't say why she thinks that or what the source of her information is and there is nothing else to point to me being scum.

And since apparently scum do nightkills by stabbing, that means the poison doctor was there to protect town against you.

Yep, remember this is RMM??

[Eevee]

Yes, I know, believe me.  But she doesn't say why she thinks that or what the source of her information is and there is nothing else to point to me being scum.

And since apparently scum do nightkills by stabbing, that means the poison doctor was there to protect town against you.

Yep, remember this is RMM??

So, you are saying you have a borderline negative utility role, that you didn't choose to claim it early to warn people, and that there was actually someone in town that had a role of PROTECTING us from you? Hmm-hmm..

EHFW is definitely swaying me about maill-mi's scumminess, but not really seeming any less scummy herself. It's like DS9 all over again, they are both scum!

[mail-mi]

Yes, I know, believe me.  But she doesn't say why she thinks that or what the source of her information is and there is nothing else to point to me being scum.

And since apparently scum do nightkills by stabbing, that means the poison doctor was there to protect town against you.

Yep, remember this is RMM??

So, you are saying you have a borderline negative utility role, that you didn't choose to claim it early to warn people, and that there was actually someone in town that had a role of PROTECTING us from you? Hmm-hmm..

After D1 did I only know that. I (think) I claimed D2.