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[nkirbit]

And, since apparently we can do this, this is the message sudgy sent me.  If you're town, is this what you waste your PM on?

"I'm whispering to you, as you're my top townread. I'll say I whispered to you, then you say so. Also, if you are Julia or Silvia, please start you're first post with a letter in the first half of the alphabet."

Eevee - So you were allowed to send a reply PM to sudgy?

raerae - were you?

Yes, and I quoted it word for word.

One of you is lying!  Eevee says that Sudgy's PR allowed him to make a reply.  Raerae says that Sudgy left instructions for how to communicate based on her first post of the day.  Why would raerae need to communicate this way if she could just reply directly to Sudgy?!?!

[nkirbit]

I'm inclined to think it's raerae.  Sudgy had asked for Eevee to clarify his reponse... this implies that there was, in fact, a response.

[EFHW]

Bump

Soft deadline, anyone?  How about Tues night? 

[nkirbit]

Tuesday night works for me.

[Eevee]

I'm inclined to think it's raerae.  Sudgy had asked for Eevee to clarify his reponse... this implies that there was, in fact, a response.

Are you implying raerae and sudgy are scum together?

Is there any other play than to lynch sudgy tonight? Like I know it kills me as well, but we can't possibly win while he lives, so those are dem beats.

[nkirbit]

I don't know what to think.  All of my scumreads are focused on the group of Sudgy, Eevee, and Raerae.  I don't know within those three.

I was damn sure it was Eevee-Raerae before today, but gosh, could Sudgy have been more shady?  He still hasn't denied sending another player a message in which he admitted he was scum!

I don't want to rush into anything here.  I could see myself deciding to lynch Sudgy, or Raerae, or Eevee.  I don't know at this point.

[nkirbit]

I guess I should say I was sure it was eevee-raerae early today after early interactions, before Sudgy showed up.

[EFHW]

I'm inclined to think it's raerae.  Sudgy had asked for Eevee to clarify his reponse... this implies that there was, in fact, a response.

Are you implying raerae and sudgy are scum together?

Is there any other play than to lynch sudgy tonight? Like I know it kills me as well, but we can't possibly win while he lives, so those are dem beats.

I think a sudgy lynch is probably the best course.

[EFHW]

I'm going to be busy a bunch tomorrow, so I'll put my vote down now.  But no rush!

vote: sudgy

[nkirbit]

EFHW:  Do you agree with my comment that one of Raerae and Eevee must be lying?

[mail-mi]

EFHW:  Do you agree with my comment that one of Raerae and Eevee must be lying?

I do.

And yes EFHW (to the question you asked me last page), nkirbit's answer was right.

With sudgy being so shady, could do either Eevee or sudgy (even though killing one will probably kill the other) and maybe raerae.

[sudgy]

Sorry I was being so shady in what I was saying, I was trying to figure out if Eevee was a survivor (it seemed he should say but he didn't).  I think he isn't now (but please feel fine to correct me).

First, I missed a part of my PM that said my lovers can whisper me back.  I completely missed that when I read it, and I'm sorry.

So: I PMed Eevee, but not with that message.  I said:

"Since we both basically know each other is town (and we're flavorfully linked, so why not), we should try to coordinate our efforts."

So, his fabrication is a lie.  Vote: Eevee.  I'm pretty sure he claimed my lover as a fakeclaim to not get lynched.

[nkirbit]

If you're town, why does it matter if he's a survivor or not?  If he's a survivor, he's not the one you're trying to lynch, right?

Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, as I've never played a game with a survivor before.  Couldn't, at this point, a survivor say "Hey mafia!  I'm a survivor!  I can join with you guys, it's 3v3, we win!" ? and just win the game there (assuming there is a 2 scum team, of course.  If there's multiple teams (I don't think there are) this wouldn't work).

[nkirbit]

Mail-Mi:  Please don't vote Sudgy yet.  I still think that an eevee-raerae team is a strong possibility, and if both you and EFHW are on Sudgy (which EFHW already is), they can quickhammer for the win.

[sudgy]

Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't matter.  He wasn't even responding how I would think he would respond if that was what I would actually send him.

[Eevee]

vote: sudgy

[ashersky]

Vote Count III.I:

Eevee (2): mail-mi, sudgy
sudgy (2): EFHW, Eevee

Not Voting (2): nkirbit, raerae

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[EFHW]

Sorry I was being so shady in what I was saying, I was trying to figure out if Eevee was a survivor (it seemed he should say but he didn't).  I think he isn't now (but please feel fine to correct me).

First, I missed a part of my PM that said my lovers can whisper me back.  I completely missed that when I read it, and I'm sorry.

So: I PMed Eevee, but not with that message.  I said:

"Since we both basically know each other is town (and we're flavorfully linked, so why not), we should try to coordinate our efforts."

So, his fabrication is a lie.  Vote: Eevee.  I'm pretty sure he claimed my lover as a fakeclaim to not get lynched.

I don't know about this.  It's a he-said, he-said. 

[EFHW]

Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't matter.  He wasn't even responding how I would think he would respond if that was what I would actually send him.

What doesn't matter?  How would you expect him to respond to the message he says you sent?

[sudgy]

Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't matter.  He wasn't even responding how I would think he would respond if that was what I would actually send him.

What doesn't matter?  How would you expect him to respond to the message he says you sent?

If he's a survivor or not.  And, if he was the survivor, he would have responded a lot differently.

[EFHW]

If you're town, why does it matter if he's a survivor or not?  If he's a survivor, he's not the one you're trying to lynch, right?

Also, forgive me if I'm wrong, as I've never played a game with a survivor before.  Couldn't, at this point, a survivor say "Hey mafia!  I'm a survivor!  I can join with you guys, it's 3v3, we win!" ? and just win the game there (assuming there is a 2 scum team, of course.  If there's multiple teams (I don't think there are) this wouldn't work).

I don't think it works that way.  Even if survivor says they're joining mafia, the mafia themselves need to be half of town.  I think, though I don't understand it, that the survivor does not count as part of town in that calculation, though.  Can anyone clarify that?  Of course, it might not even apply in this game.

[EFHW]

Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't matter.  He wasn't even responding how I would think he would respond if that was what I would actually send him.

What doesn't matter?  How would you expect him to respond to the message he says you sent?

If he's a survivor or not.  And, if he was the survivor, he would have responded a lot differently.

So you're saying you didn't send the message, but now that he's put it out there, the way he has reacted to his own message tells you he isn't a survivor?

[sudgy]

Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't matter.  He wasn't even responding how I would think he would respond if that was what I would actually send him.

What doesn't matter?  How would you expect him to respond to the message he says you sent?

If he's a survivor or not.  And, if he was the survivor, he would have responded a lot differently.

So you're saying you didn't send the message, but now that he's put it out there, the way he has reacted to his own message tells you he isn't a survivor?

Yes.

[nkirbit]

EFHW:  If you want to lynch Sudgy, please, please lynch Eevee instead.

But, regardless of whether I'm correct, I think Eevee is a strictly better lynch than Sudgy.  Either

• Eevee is lying, and we catch scum, or
• Eevee is telling the truth that he's lovers with Sudgy, we mislynch Eevee but get Sudgy anyway, and are in the same exact spot as a Sudgy lynch.

Lynching Eevee is better than lynching Sudgy if Eevee is lying, and the same as lynching Sudgy if Eevee is telling us the truth.  Even if you think Eevee is telling the truth, you should be okay with lynching Eevee, because it's strictly better than lynching Sudgy!

[EFHW]

EFHW:  If you want to lynch Sudgy, please, please lynch Eevee instead.

But, regardless of whether I'm correct, I think Eevee is a strictly better lynch than Sudgy.  Either

• Eevee is lying, and we catch scum, or
• Eevee is telling the truth that he's lovers with Sudgy, we mislynch Eevee but get Sudgy anyway, and are in the same exact spot as a Sudgy lynch.

Lynching Eevee is better than lynching Sudgy if Eevee is lying, and the same as lynching Sudgy if Eevee is telling us the truth.  Even if you think Eevee is telling the truth, you should be okay with lynching Eevee, because it's strictly better than lynching Sudgy!

Lynching Eevee is NOT the same as lynching sudgy.  As I said in an earlier post, there is a lot of uncertainty about whether killing Eevee would kill sudgy.  1.  Eevee could be lying.  2.  Eevee could be the one who isn't really sudgy's lover.  3.  There could be some twist we don't understand.  Or, if you think it would work and you want to kill Eevee, why don't you switch to sudgy?