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[nkirbit]

EFHW, what do you think about kermit's idea that Eevee and I are partners?

I think it is based on a number of assumptions, any one of which could be mistaken.  Also, one of you is dogged about lynching sudgy, the other fought hard to save him.

I'm surprised at how little heat Eevee is getting for leading the TA lynch, though.  nkirbit was the first to say the equivalent of "don't worry about it."  Eevee hasn't answered my question about how TA's flip changes his logic.

Of course my case is based on assumptions.  If cases weren't based on assumption, then they wouldn't be cases!  We're working with incomplete knowledge, so we have to assume stuff.

Do you think my assumptions are good?  To make this more clear, I'm going to put out the assumptions that I believe I'm making.

• Eevee is lying about receiving that message from Sudgy.  This is based on the fact that I simply refuse to believe a mafia member would ever risk telling a non-mafia member that they are mafia
• Raerae is the most logical partner for Eevee.  This is based on Eevee not changing his vote from TA to raerae despite having a stronger scumread on raerae, and raerae refusing to vote for Eevee over Sudgy.

Keep in mind, just because raerae didn't support a TA lynch doesn't make her auto-town.  She had been hammering on the Sudgy lynch all day.  She couldn't move onto TA without raising major suspicion.

[EFHW]

EFHW:  As soon as I drank the potion, Ash replied with a message saying 'you're going to be asleep for one day, then wake up'.  I always knew I was going to be alive D3.  This is probably the only way to handle it, honestly, as you don't want a player to think they're dead, stop checking in on the game, then not be around when they wake up.

Were you awake N2?

[nkirbit]

EFHW:  As soon as I drank the potion, Ash replied with a message saying 'you're going to be asleep for one day, then wake up'.  I always knew I was going to be alive D3.  This is probably the only way to handle it, honestly, as you don't want a player to think they're dead, stop checking in on the game, then not be around when they wake up.

Were you awake N2?

Yes, I was.

[EFHW]

Do you think my assumptions are good?  To make this more clear, I'm going to put out the assumptions that I believe I'm making.

• Eevee is lying about receiving that message from Sudgy.  This is based on the fact that I simply refuse to believe a mafia member would ever risk telling a non-mafia member that they are mafia
• Raerae is the most logical partner for Eevee.  This is based on Eevee not changing his vote from TA to raerae despite having a stronger scumread on raerae, and raerae refusing to vote for Eevee over Sudgy.

Keep in mind, just because raerae didn't support a TA lynch doesn't make her auto-town.  She had been hammering on the Sudgy lynch all day.  She couldn't move onto TA without raising major suspicion.

Your assumptions about raerae are more questionable.  If she is sure about sudgy and unsure about Eevee, and has doubt about his lover claim, then the best way to kill sudgy is to kill sudgy, not try to kill him through killing someone else.  This is especially true because Eevee could be telling the truth about being Julia or Silvia, but be unwittingly wrong about being the real lover. 

I don't think raerae is auto-town for not voting TA. 

[EFHW]

I need to look again at what Eevee said about TA vs raerae.

[EFHW]

So, raerae, I checked and your first post D2 started with a "C".  Was this intended as a communication?

[nkirbit]

I thought scum would have quickhammered TA if he was town already, so that's why I kept pushing the TA lynch. Maybe I got impatient too.

After TA had already claimed, you posted this:

That's a believable claim, but I don't see any other possible scum team. I wish people would stop claiming and just lynch TA (raerae I'm like sure of, TA I want to believe but can't see no way for him to be town)

So at that point, you still "sure of" raerae and merely "wanted to believe" TA.  It was clear there were no quickhammers coming to either yourself or TA at that point.  Sudgy was never going to quickhammer his lover, raerae was around as resistance to change, EFHW was around and considering hammering TA, but not without talking it through first, and mail-mi was around and not hammering yourself.  There was plenty of time to move to raerae if that's what you wanted.. I'm questioning if you really did want that.

[raerae]

Nkirbit, your forcing me to fit as Eevee's partner without making a case on me. 

EFHW, it was a mistake as I just wasn't reading closely enough and thought I wasn't supposed to start with the first half of the alphabet if I was his partner. 

[mail-mi]

I hand out the drinks. It's a town role, don't worry.

And after yesterday (argh I was so so wrong!) and nkirbit's case, one of sudgy or Eevee is scum. I don't see any other way.

vote: Eevee.

[EFHW]

I hand out the drinks. It's a town role, don't worry.

And after yesterday (argh I was so so wrong!) and nkirbit's case, one of sudgy or Eevee is scum. I don't see any other way.

vote: Eevee.

So we have town-aligned drinks AND a poison doctor?

[raerae]

I hand out the drinks. It's a town role, don't worry.

And after yesterday (argh I was so so wrong!) and nkirbit's case, one of sudgy or Eevee is scum. I don't see any other way.

vote: Eevee.

ARE YOU F-ING KIDDING ME???  Why should we trust you?  Why?  Why?  You can't just say "trust me" and have it be so!  Explain why you picked the people you wanted to be poisoned/potioned/drugged.

[EFHW]

And what is the benefit to town of having one less player for a day?  They could have daytime roles.  Their being asleep makes parity harder.  We don't get their input.  Is this a kind of sleeping-vigilante thing, where you target people you think are scum?

[mail-mi]

I hand out the drinks. It's a town role, don't worry.

And after yesterday (argh I was so so wrong!) and nkirbit's case, one of sudgy or Eevee is scum. I don't see any other way.

vote: Eevee.

So we have town-aligned drinks AND a poison doctor?

I hand out the drinks. It's a town role, don't worry.

And after yesterday (argh I was so so wrong!) and nkirbit's case, one of sudgy or Eevee is scum. I don't see any other way.

vote: Eevee.

ARE YOU F-ING KIDDING ME???  Why should we trust you?  Why?  Why?  You can't just say "trust me" and have it be so!  Explain why you picked the people you wanted to be poisoned/potioned/drugged.

I am going to claim to stop the confusion.

I am Laurence, town Friar.

I got my remedies all mixed up with the Apothecary and I don't know what my potions will do. I choose someone to give it to, they can choose to drink it or not. It will either kill them, seem to kill them (as it did to nkirbit), or give them "a great benefit" (i don't know what it is).

N1 was nkirbit because he was a middling read that could have been town or scum. N2 Eevee because I hoped it would kill him and sudgy and if it made him seem to die it would just kill sudgy.

[raerae]

Why would sudgy be affected by a fake death?

[mail-mi]

Why would sudgy be affected by a fake death?

I assumed because it would look like his lover died, so he'd suicide.

[nkirbit]

You're right, raerae.  I have two cases:  eevee being scum, and you being his partner. The second obviously depends on the first, but I can be correct I. The first without being wrong in the second.

I believe mail mi's claim. Which makes me even more sure of eevee, as mail-mi wa his only viable partner from my point of view

[nkirbit]

I mean that mail-mi was sudgys only viable partner

[sudgy]

Um, Eevee, could you explain that reply to my PM?  I'll say a bit more once I've heard Eevee say what he will.

[nkirbit]

Um, Eevee, could you explain that reply to my PM?  I'll say a bit more once I've heard Eevee say what he will.

What do you want him to explain?  He claimed he got that PM... what more is there to say about it?

[nkirbit]

That just seems like a very odd question, Sudgy.. I'm not sure what you're asking of him.

[EFHW]

Ok, so if mail-mi is telling the truth, the poison doctor would have been intended to counteract the two negative effects of mail-mi's potions and it is also possible that scum kill with poison.  Those potions seem more anti-town than pro-town to me, with two negative effects and an unknown positive effect.  It's like a vig with 2/3 chance of success.

Laurence being a friar would suggest to me that mail-mi does not have a lover.  He is the friar in Romeo and Juliet.  He marries them and gives them the sleeping medicine that makes Juliet seem dead.  It's his letter that never makes it to Romeo telling him she is actually still alive.

[EFHW]

So you are admitting to sending the pm, sudgy?

[EFHW]

Eevee has come under a great deal of suspicion because of the PM, so hopefully you can lend some clarity to the situation.

[EFHW]

I thought scum would have quickhammered TA if he was town already, so that's why I kept pushing the TA lynch. Maybe I got impatient too.

Eevee decided TA was scum because no one was quickhammering.  But there is another explanation for that, which is that both scum were already on the wagon.

[nkirbit]

I thought scum would have quickhammered TA if he was town already, so that's why I kept pushing the TA lynch. Maybe I got impatient too.

Eevee decided TA was scum because no one was quickhammering.  But there is another explanation for that, which is that both scum were already on the wagon.

Yeah.  Or scum were off, and couldn't quickhammer because they knew we weren't in MYLO.  There's any number of possibilities, really.