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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1375 on: June 12, 2013, 10:30:15 pm »

What's the case on TwistedArcher?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1376 on: June 12, 2013, 10:30:20 pm »

Went back, it was just like I thought. I don't understand how it implies there must be scum in lovers, can you explain that?

It doesn't. But what's the utility of the role if there's NOT scum in them. I guess a role to confirm townies, but it seems like a really, really, really weak role unless there's scum in those lover pairs.
How does there being or not being scum in the lover pairs have any bearing with that role's utility? Heck, isn't the role actually SIGNIFICANTLY stronger if all the lovers are town and each investigation has a chance at creating two ic's?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1377 on: June 12, 2013, 10:30:59 pm »

You couldn't pay me to claim.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1378 on: June 12, 2013, 10:31:15 pm »

What's the case on TwistedArcher?

I want to lynch Sudgy.

Same as the case on you, or EFHW.

Basically, the case is, I'm the person they could get Eevee to support.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1379 on: June 12, 2013, 10:31:18 pm »

So Eevee, you realize you are risking the game here, right?
I'm extremely confident, and you can all blame me if I'm drawing the wrong conclusions from what I know.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1380 on: June 12, 2013, 10:31:53 pm »

So Eevee, you realize you are risking the game here, right?
I'm extremely confident, and you can all blame me if I'm drawing the wrong conclusions from what I know.

I feel the same -- at least we see eye to eye on something! ;)
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1381 on: June 12, 2013, 10:32:14 pm »



I appreciate the assistance but somebody on wagon needs to spell this out for me.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1382 on: June 12, 2013, 10:32:54 pm »

WAIT A SECOND!!  Voting TA over voting me???  Who's scummy now.  Why is one of us, both of whom have been pushing damn hard for sudgy's lynch, more scummy than the other.  Analyzing the shit out of this wagon right now.

It's mail-mi, Eevee, and sudgy, otherwise known as the possible partner, the recently claimed lover, and the scummy lover.

Are we in a legitimate stalemate?

One more time, kids, why is TA the scummiest of us all? 
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1383 on: June 12, 2013, 10:33:39 pm »

TA, the thing is, as long as sudgy is town, you can't be, and I'm super eager to bet the game on that.

The problem with massclaiming is that most of the town are lovers so just identifying the scum team might not be enough. Lets not massclaim.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1384 on: June 12, 2013, 10:34:10 pm »

WAIT A SECOND!!  Voting TA over voting me???  Who's scummy now.  Why is one of us, both of whom have been pushing damn hard for sudgy's lynch, more scummy than the other.  Analyzing the shit out of this wagon right now.

It's mail-mi, Eevee, and sudgy, otherwise known as the possible partner, the recently claimed lover, and the scummy lover.

Are we in a legitimate stalemate?

One more time, kids, why is TA the scummiest of us all?
I'm not on the wagon, but the main thing that has seemed scummy to me has been the cases he made on nkirbit, lio and me.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1385 on: June 12, 2013, 10:34:24 pm »

TA, the thing is, as long as sudgy is town, you can't be, and I'm super eager to bet the game on that.

The problem with massclaiming is that most of the town are lovers so just identifying the scum team might not be enough. Lets not massclaim.

Why couldn't the team be EFHW/raerae?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1386 on: June 12, 2013, 10:34:38 pm »

WAIT A SECOND!!  Voting TA over voting me???  Who's scummy now.  Why is one of us, both of whom have been pushing damn hard for sudgy's lynch, more scummy than the other.  Analyzing the shit out of this wagon right now.

It's mail-mi, Eevee, and sudgy, otherwise known as the possible partner, the recently claimed lover, and the scummy lover.

Are we in a legitimate stalemate?

One more time, kids, why is TA the scummiest of us all?
If he was town, the team would have to be raerae-ehfw and either of you would have hammered him for the win long ago.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1387 on: June 12, 2013, 10:34:53 pm »

WAIT A SECOND!!  Voting TA over voting me???  Who's scummy now.  Why is one of us, both of whom have been pushing damn hard for sudgy's lynch, more scummy than the other.  Analyzing the shit out of this wagon right now.

It's mail-mi, Eevee, and sudgy, otherwise known as the possible partner, the recently claimed lover, and the scummy lover.

Are we in a legitimate stalemate?

One more time, kids, why is TA the scummiest of us all?
I'm not on the wagon, but the main thing that has seemed scummy to me has been the cases he made on nkirbit, lio and me.

0/3, I'm thinking :(
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1388 on: June 12, 2013, 10:35:15 pm »

TA, the thing is, as long as sudgy is town, you can't be, and I'm super eager to bet the game on that.

The problem with massclaiming is that most of the town are lovers so just identifying the scum team might not be enough. Lets not massclaim.

Why couldn't the team be EFHW/raerae?
Because you are still alive.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1389 on: June 12, 2013, 10:36:04 pm »

TA, the thing is, as long as sudgy is town, you can't be, and I'm super eager to bet the game on that.

The problem with massclaiming is that most of the town are lovers so just identifying the scum team might not be enough. Lets not massclaim.

Why couldn't the team be EFHW/raerae?
Because you are still alive.

This is a great point. And this has confirmed the sudgy-mail mi team for me.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1390 on: June 12, 2013, 10:37:14 pm »

WAIT A SECOND!!  Voting TA over voting me???  Who's scummy now.  Why is one of us, both of whom have been pushing damn hard for sudgy's lynch, more scummy than the other.  Analyzing the shit out of this wagon right now.

It's mail-mi, Eevee, and sudgy, otherwise known as the possible partner, the recently claimed lover, and the scummy lover.

Are we in a legitimate stalemate?

One more time, kids, why is TA the scummiest of us all?
If he was town, the team would have to be raerae-ehfw and either of you would have hammered him for the win long ago.

I still want to know the case on TA.  Like the reason you voted.  That thing.  I mean, our side has a case, yes we do, our side has a case, how 'bout you!?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1391 on: June 12, 2013, 10:38:15 pm »

Ehfw, I'm increasingly certain you are the townie. Read through the last page and see how painfully obvious it is that ta must be scum.

Ta, suddenly no interest in continuing the "lio's role means there must be scum" argument now that I pointed out it makes no sense?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1392 on: June 12, 2013, 10:38:32 pm »

We know there's 2 scum, 3 town voting correctly, and 1 misguided town. This is true for either side.

Eevee, don't you think you fit into that role of misguided town perfectly?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1393 on: June 12, 2013, 10:40:01 pm »

Ehfw, I'm increasingly certain you are the townie. Read through the last page and see how painfully obvious it is that ta must be scum.

Ta, suddenly no interest in continuing the "lio's role means there must be scum" argument now that I pointed out it makes no sense?

So, Raerae is the scum?

I concede that you may be correct on Lio's role, even though I disagree with you.  But I guess there's no way to confirm it either way. I think it only has utility catching scum. Creating ICs is useless if you're not 100% sure you're actually creating ICs!
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1394 on: June 12, 2013, 10:40:52 pm »

WAIT A SECOND!!  Voting TA over voting me???  Who's scummy now.  Why is one of us, both of whom have been pushing damn hard for sudgy's lynch, more scummy than the other.  Analyzing the shit out of this wagon right now.

It's mail-mi, Eevee, and sudgy, otherwise known as the possible partner, the recently claimed lover, and the scummy lover.

Are we in a legitimate stalemate?

One more time, kids, why is TA the scummiest of us all?
If he was town, the team would have to be raerae-ehfw and either of you would have hammered him for the win long ago.

I still want to know the case on TA.  Like the reason you voted.  That thing.  I mean, our side has a case, yes we do, our side has a case, how 'bout you!?
It doesn't even matter anymore, scum has painted themselves in the corner. Despite, wasn't the cornerstone of your case liopoil's role meaning there must be scum in lovers? I've refuted that and I've explained why sudgy doesn't necessarily die in the night in a rmm game and why the people responsible wouldn't want to claim. Why is your side dodging my questions? Do you accept me for an ic?
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1395 on: June 12, 2013, 10:42:53 pm »

How does confirming lover pairs, something that a townie would be 100% able to do anyways, make lio's role any stronger?

I think it's point was to make him able to whiteknight lovers under a lynch threat. A protective role of sorts, just like his lover xeiron.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1396 on: June 12, 2013, 10:43:17 pm »

I accept you for a misguided IC!

Sorry, why would Sudgy be alive?

I hate to ask you to claim more, but did you prevent Sudgy from being killed last night?

If no one can claim any reason why Sudgy would be alive, then that means it's more likely he's scum.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1397 on: June 12, 2013, 10:43:48 pm »

Ehfw, I'm increasingly certain you are the townie. Read through the last page and see how painfully obvious it is that ta must be scum.

Ta, suddenly no interest in continuing the "lio's role means there must be scum" argument now that I pointed out it makes no sense?

So, Raerae is the scum?

I concede that you may be correct on Lio's role, even though I disagree with you.  But I guess there's no way to confirm it either way. I think it only has utility catching scum. Creating ICs is useless if you're not 100% sure you're actually creating ICs!
Yes, I think raerae is scum.

And no, I don't think I'm a misguided townie as my narrative makes 100% sense while yours is full of holes.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1398 on: June 12, 2013, 10:44:20 pm »

Ok, Eevee, I hope you are right.  Intent to hammer.
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Re: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Act II)
« Reply #1399 on: June 12, 2013, 10:44:36 pm »

I will not lose without claiming.
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