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[Twistedarcher]

If Sudgy lynch absolutely isn't going to fly, EFHW and Raerae, are you still up for mail-mi? It looks like this is only going to happen if Eevee self-hammers, which is a tough sell I admit.

[Twistedarcher]

I think we could get Eevee over to a mail-mi lynch. But yeah we're pretty stalemated right now.

[raerae]

I like the sudgy lynch more but will try to be less stubborn and consider mail-mi.  I do hate calling teams though.  It's rarely works well in my experience.

[sudgy]

Alright, here's what I'm thinking because of who's voting for who:

Vote Count Act II.sudgy:

Twistedarcher (3): mail-mi, Eevee, sudgy {L-1}
sudgy (3): raerae, EFHW,Twistedarcher {L-1}

First, TA and I can't both be town.  One of us would get quickhammered by scum at this point (because it's mylo, and scum would win (assuming nkirbit is dead, which I think he is)).

Second, I think two scum are on my wagon (I would be quickhammered by now if not).  I think it's TA and one of the other two, I would probably choose EFHW.

I thought I had more going there, but I can't think of anything else I could say with what I know.  Oh well.

[Twistedarcher]

I think the fact that we're stalemated at 3v3 means that we're pretty firmly set into town vs. scum. Now, given that we more than likely have 4 town and 2 scum alive, that means we have one town misplaced on the wrong side. That town member is Eevee, who of course has decent reason to join up with Sudgy and mail-mi.

Regardless, can anyone think of a situation where Eevee is scum? His ONLY possible scum partner is Sudgy. I'm basically going to treat Eevee as an IC at this point, even though I completely disagree with where his vote is (I can understand his train of thought, though.)

[Twistedarcher]

Haha, Sudgy just came out with the same argument, but from his point of view.

Here are the possible scum teams (excluding stuff with nkirbit):

Eevee-Sudgy
Mail-mi-Sudgy
Two of (TA, Raerae, EFHW)

Of course, I know the third choice is wrong, and I highly, highly, highly doubt Raerae and EFHW are a team at this point. Therefore, I'm forced to conclude that Sudgy is scum. Now, I doubt we can get rid of scum in one fell swoop, so I'm pretty sure the team is Mail-mi - Sudgy.

[mail-mi]

@raerae: No I am not still considering Eegee.

If I am wrong about this I'm gonna be so mad at myself, but this is so town!sudgy.

[Eevee]

I'm voting with my only town reads and am absolutely not moving.

The townie in the villains camp, really consider your situation! I feel each and every one of you could be scum, but the one who isn't needs to flip as scum is not going to.

Even your side agrees I'm an IC and I think this. You can 100% blame the loss on me if sudgy is scum.


Raerae, ehfw and ta, you read my doctor example. Consider that's my role. Would you ever consider voting sudgy in that case? ignore the fact that "he must be scum or the game would be over", this is rmm and the people responsible for missing night kills do not want to claim. I'm almost positive raerae is scum for not realizing this.

ta is almost guaranteed to be scum as well as he isn't getting hammered though, right?

[Eevee]

@raerae: No I am not still considering Eegee.

If I am wrong about this I'm gonna be so mad at myself, but this is so town!sudgy.

we need to make the townie voting for sudgy to come with us.

[EFHW]

Vote Count Act II.sudgy:
Twistedarcher (3): mail-mi, Eevee, sudgy {L-1}
sudgy (3): raerae, EFHW,Twistedarcher {L-1}

First, TA and I can't both be town.  One of us would get quickhammered by scum at this point ...
Second, I think two scum are on my wagon (I would be quickhammered by now if not).  I think it's TA and one of the other two, I would probably choose EFHW.

Could just as easily be that TA is town and the scum are on his wagon.  But yes, it does seem like the scum are likely to be on the same wagon.

[Eevee]

TA is scum, and either raerae or efhw needs to be convinced that's the case.

mail-mi and sudgy, please please let's stay strong and not give mafia the win.

efhw and raerae, I don't know which of you we should be convincing. I'm actually thinking raerae-ta for the scum team now.

do you both accept me as an IC?

[EFHW]

Raerae, ehfw and ta, you read my doctor example. Consider that's my role. Would you ever consider voting sudgy in that case?

Can you spell that out for me?  Sorry, I'm not getting all the implications.

[Eevee]

Raerae, ehfw and ta, you read my doctor example. Consider that's my role. Would you ever consider voting sudgy in that case?

Can you spell that out for me?  Sorry, I'm not getting all the implications.

Hypothetical scenario, I'm town and lovers with sudgy, and my role is to be an even night doctor that can only target sudgy. Would it make any sense for sudgy to be town?

[Eevee]

Raerae, ehfw and ta, you read my doctor example. Consider that's my role. Would you ever consider voting sudgy in that case?

Can you spell that out for me?  Sorry, I'm not getting all the implications.

Hypothetical scenario, I'm town and lovers with sudgy, and my role is to be an even night doctor that can only target sudgy. Would it make any sense for sudgy to be scum?

edit: town -> scum obviously

[EFHW]

Raerae, ehfw and ta, you read my doctor example. Consider that's my role. Would you ever consider voting sudgy in that case?

Can you spell that out for me?  Sorry, I'm not getting all the implications.

Hypothetical scenario, I'm town and lovers with sudgy, and my role is to be an even night doctor that can only target sudgy. Would it make any sense for sudgy to be town?

I think you mean to be scum?  I can see where the doctor would feel screwed over if he were scum.

[Twistedarcher]

Raerae, ehfw and ta, you read my doctor example. Consider that's my role. Would you ever consider voting sudgy in that case?

Can you spell that out for me?  Sorry, I'm not getting all the implications.

Hypothetical scenario, I'm town and lovers with sudgy, and my role is to be an even night doctor that can only target sudgy. Would it make any sense for sudgy to be scum?

edit: town -> scum obviously

Yes, that's what we're trying to say!

You haven't answered this one: Would a lovercop make sense is there were no scum in lover pairs to find? Kind of useless for rooting out town only, right?

[Eevee]

Yes, exactly. Sorry about that.

So, that's the direction I'm coming from with my sudgy read. Is that strong enough for you?

[Eevee]

How did lio's role work exactly?

[Eevee]

Went back, it was just like I thought. I don't understand how it implies there must be scum in lovers, can you explain that?

[mail-mi]

@raerae: No I am not still considering Eegee.

If I am wrong about this I'm gonna be so mad at myself, but this is so town!sudgy.

we need to make the townie voting for sudgy to come with us.

Yes EFHW or raerae come join us! (Mostly pointed at EFHW becuz raerae probably won't even if we say pretty please)

[Eevee]

(an aside,ehfw, raerae and ta haven't claimed anything about being or not being lovers nor should they, so sudgy actually could be town and the scum-town lover pair would still be possible)

[Twistedarcher]

Went back, it was just like I thought. I don't understand how it implies there must be scum in lovers, can you explain that?

It doesn't. But what's the utility of the role if there's NOT scum in them. I guess a role to confirm townies, but it seems like a really, really, really weak role unless there's scum in those lover pairs.

[raerae]

This is the newbie game all over with no Kooshie for the tie-breaker.

[EFHW]

So Eevee, you realize you are risking the game here, right?

[Twistedarcher]

You know, I know you're all so, so, so against claiming.

But if we're so sure that the scum team is on one side or the other (and I'm sure it is, and it seems like most people are) perhaps we should consider claiming to completely analyze what's going to happen?

It's seeming like the game will be won or lost today. If that's truly the case, I'd rather everyone make their decisions after a massclaim, not before.

No one jump out and claim before it's confirmed, but we should talk about this, I think.