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[Eevee]

TA, me claiming being bad is independent from me thinking sudgy is town. I don't want to claim because my role is better left unclaimed. I think sudgy is town, but can't explain it without claiming.

Note, I don't know that he is town for sure. I think I have good reason to assume.

[mail-mi]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

No.  No, I will not.  I believe kermit was the ATTEMPTED night kill and somebody saved him sort of. Consider:  I'm pushing the hell out of lynch a claimed lover and there is plenty of resistance.  Was there for the other set of lovers?  NO!  Because scum knew they were both town.  Sudgy and/or his lover is/are scum.

I disagree with this -- our poison doctor is gone. I'm pretty confident that nkirbit was the poison target and NOT the attempted night kill. If he was the attempted night kill, I think he dies with normal flavor.

Well nkirbit's coma is hurting us because we need 4/6 people to agree for a lynch.  mail-mi, where do you stand on the sudgy lynch?

It will be very hard to convince me to vote for him. This has town sudgy written all over it. Town!sudgy is always suspected early on in the game.

Now, if hes still alive tomorrow I will be a bit more suspicious of him.

[mail-mi]

@soft deadline: I'm gone Thursday to Saturday with 0 Internet access. So I say we move it later.

[EFHW]

Unless sudgy wants to self-vote , we're looking pretty stalemated here.

[EFHW]

sudgy and Eevee, what are your thoughts about mail-mi?

[mail-mi]

Unless sudgy wants to self-vote , we're looking pretty stalemated here.

Lunch Eevee!

[EFHW]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

No.  No, I will not.  I believe kermit was the ATTEMPTED night kill and somebody saved him sort of. Consider:  I'm pushing the hell out of lynch a claimed lover and there is plenty of resistance.  Was there for the other set of lovers?  NO!  Because scum knew they were both town.  Sudgy and/or his lover is/are scum.

I disagree with this -- our poison doctor is gone. I'm pretty confident that nkirbit was the poison target and NOT the attempted night kill. If he was the attempted night kill, I think he dies with normal flavor.

Well nkirbit's coma is hurting us because we need 4/6 people to agree for a lynch.  mail-mi, where do you stand on the sudgy lynch?

It will be very hard to convince me to vote for him. This has town sudgy written all over it. Town!sudgy is always suspected early on in the game.

Now, if hes still alive tomorrow I will be a bit more suspicious of him.

What's the "this"?  I don't see anything relevant in the quotes you included.

[Eevee]

sudgy and Eevee, what are your thoughts about mail-mi?

Well, earlier I thought despite his play feeling scummy, it actually fits a town narrative better.

[EFHW]

Sudgy's lover. If Sudgy is town, his claim was truthful, and he has a lover, who's DEFINITELY town.

I'm pretty tired, so maybe I'm being dense, but what makes town!sudgy's lover definitely also town?

Sudgy's lover was one of the women from 2 gentlemen of verona, forget their names. Unknown which one. But both were definitely good people in shakespeare, and role presupposes alignment, so therefore if Sudgy is town, his lover is town.

If we go by this logic, then Proteus was real scum.  He tries to rape Silvia towards the end of the play.

[mail-mi]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

No.  No, I will not.  I believe kermit was the ATTEMPTED night kill and somebody saved him sort of. Consider:  I'm pushing the hell out of lynch a claimed lover and there is plenty of resistance.  Was there for the other set of lovers?  NO!  Because scum knew they were both town.  Sudgy and/or his lover is/are scum.

I disagree with this -- our poison doctor is gone. I'm pretty confident that nkirbit was the poison target and NOT the attempted night kill. If he was the attempted night kill, I think he dies with normal flavor.

Well nkirbit's coma is hurting us because we need 4/6 people to agree for a lynch.  mail-mi, where do you stand on the sudgy lynch?

It will be very hard to convince me to vote for him. This has town sudgy written all over it. Town!sudgy is always suspected early on in the game.

Now, if hes still alive tomorrow I will be a bit more suspicious of him.

What's the "this"?  I don't see anything relevant in the quotes you included.

His entire play. (Pun intended.)

[Twistedarcher]

I think I want to lynch Sudgy today, I just don't see him being town.

Vote: Sudgy

Eevee, I know you don't want to claim, but it looks like we're stalemated here. Sudgy's obviously not going to vote, and if you won't and mail-mi won't, we're in a crappy position. I don't like any of the other options, honestly. EFHW probably, but I'm starting to feel like that's more of a shot in the dark than anything else.

[Eevee]

How about we lynch twisted for continuing to push this very pro-scum notion?

[Twistedarcher]

It's pro-scum from your point of you. You have yet to convince me that your point of view is correct. I don't take your word for it, at all, and if you want to convince me, I'll need something more from you. Sorry.

[mail-mi]

How about we lynch twisted for continuing to push this very pro-scum notion?

I could see that. Although I'd still rather lynch you.

[EFHW]

How about we lynch twisted for continuing to push this very pro-scum notion?

What's the pro-scum notion?

[mail-mi]

@twisted:

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

@ash: your sig still says D1, by the way.

[mail-mi]

How about we lynch twisted for continuing to push this very pro-scum notion?

What's the pro-scum notion?

Lynching sudgy.

[EFHW]

How about we lynch twisted for continuing to push this very pro-scum notion?

What's the pro-scum notion?

Oh, I guess you mean voting sudgy.  I don't see that as pro-scum.  You have voted for me.  That's pro-scum from my perspective!  Who would you see as my partner, by the way?

[mail-mi]

Also, if sudgy and his lover are town, we pretty much lose by lynching him. Food for thought.

[Twistedarcher]

@twisted:

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

@ash: your sig still says D1, by the way.

Sudgy is scum and wasn't targeted. I could explain a missing night kill that didn't target Sudgy, and I believe that's EXACTLY what happened last night.

[Twistedarcher]

Also, if sudgy and his lover are town, we pretty much lose by lynching him. Food for thought.

Yes, and this is why it's confusing to me that Eevee won't claim ANYTHING.

If Eevee is town, and Sudgy is town, and Sudgy's partner is town, how is Eevee claiming going to be any more detrimental to town than saving two town members!! If I'm town Eevee, and I have PROOF that Sudgy is town, I'm all over that, and I make sure 100% that Sudgy DOES NOT GET LYNCHED.

[Twistedarcher]

than not saving two town members***

[Eevee]

Hypothetical role "You are sudgy's lover, and you love him so much that you use your medical expertise to protect him on all even nights.".

[Eevee]

The anti-town notion is saying "Eevee, I think you are probably town" and then not trusting me that lynching sudgy / making me claim to avoid that is a bad idea for town. Starting to feel like scum wanting to weed out a claim from me to make more informed night decisions.

[EFHW]

Also, if sudgy and his lover are town, we pretty much lose by lynching him. Food for thought.

Yes, and this is why it's confusing to me that Eevee won't claim ANYTHING.

If Eevee is town, and Sudgy is town, and Sudgy's partner is town, how is Eevee claiming going to be any more detrimental to town than saving two town members!! If I'm town Eevee, and I have PROOF that Sudgy is town, I'm all over that, and I make sure 100% that Sudgy DOES NOT GET LYNCHED.

He said he doesn't have proof.  It's something he's reasoned out.