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[EFHW]

So you can get your stories straight.

[nkirbit]

I don't care about simultaneity.  I do believe they have a day chat.

[liopoil]

I'd love to defend xeiron for him, except for all I know he might be scum. I don't think he is though. While I disagree with his play, I can't imagine him doing it as scum. I mean, what's his motive?

[EFHW]

I think these guys have day chat. 

so what if we do?

And that's crazy powerful.

[liopoil]

So you can get your stories straight.

...but we disagree.

[liopoil]

I'd like to hear from TA/nkirbit why they think scum!X might do this.

[EFHW]

So you can get your stories straight.

...but we disagree.

about the conclusions.  But it's your process that isn't adding up.

[nkirbit]

I'd love to defend xeiron for him, except for all I know he might be scum. I don't think he is though. While I disagree with his play, I can't imagine him doing it as scum. I mean, what's his motive?

To try and get out of being lynched.  He didn't make his semi-claim until it was pretty much down to just him and sudgy.

[Twistedarcher]

I'd love to defend xeiron for him, except for all I know he might be scum. I don't think he is though. While I disagree with his play, I can't imagine him doing it as scum. I mean, what's his motive?

Is Xeiron's role being Claudio mod-confirmed to you, or has he just said he's Claudio?

[liopoil]

modconfirmed. says in my PM and OP of QT.

[nkirbit]

Okay.  If lio and xeiron are a scum pair, this claim surely has the best chance of getting Xeiron out alive.  It's pretty clear from our attitudes before the claim (raerae saying she doesn't even want a claim, I was saying I want a claim but to most likely hammer afterwards) that Xeiron was going to get lynched.  This double claim made us discuss and think it, and there's a chance you get out of that.

[liopoil]

I'm willing to lynch nkirbit just based on not being a lover. I think that means he's either a survivor or SK or member of scumteam. And if he's town, it's only one death, not two.

[liopoil]

If Xeiron gets lynched and I'm still alive, by all means, lynch me.

[Twistedarcher]

I'd like to hear from TA/nkirbit why they think scum!X might do this.

Because he has another teammate who's not you, and he's trying to pick out every single lover pair to make their job much, much, much easier. Knowing everyone who's a lover and who's not? Cmon, that's just too easy for a scum team. Bad information to be out there for town.

He also waited to claim against Sudgy, and not against me.

He has been trying to get Sudgy's partner to claim.

His initial vote of me was silly and sheepy.

The worst to me, though, is he claimed having WAY more information than he did. I mean, he represented it as game-warping, confirmed information, when it's all just speculation that's no better than anyone else's reads. He misled town again and again and again, and he HAD to know what he was doing. Town shouldn't lie!!

[nkirbit]

I'm willing to lynch nkirbit just based on not being a lover. I think that means he's either a survivor or SK or member of scumteam. And if he's town, it's only one death, not two.

Woah.  Xeiron himself had said he believed there were 3 non-lovers (Eevee, TA, Sudgy).  And now you're willing to lynch someone for not being on a lover team?  Seems a stretch.

[Twistedarcher]

I'm willing to lynch nkirbit just based on not being a lover. I think that means he's either a survivor or SK or member of scumteam. And if he's town, it's only one death, not two.

Could not disagree me. This is an utterly silly reason to lynch someone.

Nkirbit has made so much sense at the end of the day today. I really need to rethink my case from earlier, because he's been very scummy at the end of today. He was so reactive, but ugh, he's talking sense now.

Once again, you're rolefishing to see who's a lover and who's not a lover!

[Twistedarcher]

disagree more**

[liopoil]

Do people believe our claim? well, I can pretty much prove we're lovers.

if we aren't lovers, then we must both be scum. That means that if Xeiron gets lynched I get lynch too, and we lose. Why include me in the claim? just claim cop or something!

I'm willing to lynch nkirbit just based on not being a lover. I think that means he's either a survivor or SK or member of scumteam. And if he's town, it's only one death, not two.

I disagree with xeiron.

Woah.  Xeiron himself had said he believed there were 3 non-lovers (Eevee, TA, Sudgy).  And now you're willing to lynch someone for not being on a lover team?  Seems a stretch.

[EFHW]

Town shouldn't lie!!

[Twistedarcher]

Ugh, very towny, not very scummy. /e should proofread.

[liopoil]

Do people believe our claim? well, I can pretty much prove we're lovers.

if we aren't lovers, then we must both be scum. That means that if Xeiron gets lynched I get lynch too, and we lose. Why include me in the claim? just claim cop or something!

I'm willing to lynch nkirbit just based on not being a lover. I think that means he's either a survivor or SK or member of scumteam. And if he's town, it's only one death, not two.

Woah.  Xeiron himself had said he believed there were 3 non-lovers (Eevee, TA, Sudgy).  And now you're willing to lynch someone for not being on a lover team?  Seems a stretch.

I disagree with xeiron.

[nkirbit]

Lio:  We would've lynched right through a cop-claim.  Almost certainly.  I don't know if EFHW and TA will agree with me, but that's my perception of the situation, and it was obvious.

[Twistedarcher]

Claiming "If you lynch me, we lose the game" is over-the-top. If we have four sets of lovers, if we lynch ANY of them, we would lose the game, by your logic.

Do you really think we have a game that starts out with a 8/9 chance of having the game end D1? No way.

[Twistedarcher]

Lio:  We would've lynched right through a cop-claim.  Almost certainly.  I don't know if EFHW and TA will agree with me, but that's my perception of the situation, and it was obvious.

Yes, I agree

[liopoil]

Lio:  We would've lynched right through a cop-claim.  Almost certainly.  I don't know if EFHW and TA will agree with me, but that's my perception of the situation, and it was obvious.

Well, that's still better than this if we're both scum and not lovers.