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[xeiron]

Lio, X,

Where does the one of Sudgy/TA/Eevee thing come from?

It comes from the fact that i found those three most plausible to be not lovers. And I needed a not lover to be scum as to come up with a setup with two scumteams where we do not start in lylo.

[nkirbit]

vote: xeiron

If xeiron and Lio are correct, I'm going to have to vote for a pair of lovers no matter what. Xeiron and Lio are my top two scum reads, so it doesn't make sense for me to vote elsewhere

If they are incorrect, they're probably scum.

Even if they are correct about the set up, they could be a scum team

[liopoil]

I'm 90% sure there's at least 3 sets of lovers, 70% sure there's 4.

It's possible there's 3 sets, then sudgy/julia/silvia, and everyone is a lover.

[nkirbit]

From what you guys are saying, you've been playing a different game than me almost. And your game sounds like way more fun

[liopoil]

It sounds way cooler than it really is, I promise. Honestly, we don't have anything that's mod-confirmed.

[Twistedarcher]

Are we sure there's 2 scum teams?

And if there are, is that even true? I mean, a lot depends on the NKs -- scum could kill each other, scum could kill the same team...

Also, if you assume 2 scum teams, but only 1 person who's not on lover team, if you're assuming that they're scum, then you have unbalanced teams.

Your deductions don't add up..

[xeiron]

Let's slow down on the claiming lover / notlover.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea eventually, but let's think it through, ok?

So, say we have 4 sets of lovers, and 1 non-lover.

I'd be inclined to believe the non-lover was town, and that we have 2, heck maybe even 3, scum teams of lovers.

If we don't have 4 sets of lovers, that means that the information X and Lio gave us was bad. Now, this doesn't necessarily make them scummy, but man.

They seem to have gotten a LOT of information pre-game. Like, a list of information never seen before, I think. To be able to determine the setup of the game, AND be able to create a list of players that contains a scum? Crazy.

Is the amount of information you have going to increase over the course of the game, or did you get everything you're going to have pre-game?

We do not have information pregame. We deduce based on roles.

[Twistedarcher]

I'm 90% sure there's at least 3 sets of lovers, 70% sure there's 4.

It's possible there's 3 sets, then sudgy/julia/silvia, and everyone is a lover.

If this is true then Nkirbit is lying, so no, I doubt it

[Twistedarcher]

Let's slow down on the claiming lover / notlover.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea eventually, but let's think it through, ok?

So, say we have 4 sets of lovers, and 1 non-lover.

I'd be inclined to believe the non-lover was town, and that we have 2, heck maybe even 3, scum teams of lovers.

If we don't have 4 sets of lovers, that means that the information X and Lio gave us was bad. Now, this doesn't necessarily make them scummy, but man.

They seem to have gotten a LOT of information pre-game. Like, a list of information never seen before, I think. To be able to determine the setup of the game, AND be able to create a list of players that contains a scum? Crazy.

Is the amount of information you have going to increase over the course of the game, or did you get everything you're going to have pre-game?

We do not have information pregame. We deduce based on roles.

On your roles, or on everyone else's roles?

[EFHW]

Xeiron, why do you think we shouldn't role-claim? we're gonna get killed...

I think scum would know all lover-pairs by now.
They get an advantage during night. We have to lynch right today.

How would they know?  And why do you think there are 3 or 4 sets of lovers?

[xeiron]

Are we sure there's 2 scum teams?

And if there are, is that even true? I mean, a lot depends on the NKs -- scum could kill each other, scum could kill the same team...

Also, if you assume 2 scum teams, but only 1 person who's not on lover team, if you're assuming that they're scum, then you have unbalanced teams.

Your deductions don't add up..

I am thinking unbalanced teams, yes.

[Twistedarcher]

Wait, so let me get this straight -- apart from knowing you and Liopoil are lovers, you have not been able to use your power role yet?

[liopoil]

on our roles

I actually think there is probably only one scum team.

[EFHW]

Also scum are really vulnerable if they are also lovers with each other.  It would be an interesting set up if scum from two different teams were lovers!

[liopoil]

no, we haven't done anything. Like we said, we don't have anything mod-confirmed. Seriously, if we tell you, you're gonna be disapointed.

[EFHW]

Are we sure there's 2 scum teams?

And if there are, is that even true? I mean, a lot depends on the NKs -- scum could kill each other, scum could kill the same team...

Also, if you assume 2 scum teams, but only 1 person who's not on lover team, if you're assuming that they're scum, then you have unbalanced teams.

Your deductions don't add up..

I agree, there must be more we don't know behind their deductions.

[xeiron]

Xeiron, why do you think we shouldn't role-claim? we're gonna get killed...

I think scum would know all lover-pairs by now.
They get an advantage during night. We have to lynch right today.

How would they know?  And why do you think there are 3 or 4 sets of lovers?

You make the third set, no?

[EFHW]

do you guys have day chat? or did you figure this all out N0?

[Twistedarcher]

I am damn disappointed, because that is NOT what Xeiron represented to us!

Vote: Xeiron

Xeiron grossly misled town, leading us dangerously close to a mass-claim territory.

If you do NOT have modconfirmed information, and have NOT used your power role, you just cannot be that vocal about what you Know when you don't actually know it.

I am frustrated, how can you be so certain when you have no more information than the rest of us?? You were making it VERY clear that you had more information.

[Twistedarcher]

I want you to reveal EVERYTHING you know. I will not trust anything less, you have misled town the entire past two days, tried to get Sudgy's partner to claimed, tried to get us to announce who is a lover and who isn't. I don't see how in the world this has been good for town.

[liopoil]

do you guys have day chat? or did you figure this all out N0?

I see no reason this info should be public. We have a QT.

[liopoil]

I want you to reveal EVERYTHING you know. I will not trust anything less, you have misled town the entire past two days, tried to get Sudgy's partner to claimed, tried to get us to announce who is a lover and who isn't. I don't see how in the world this has been good for town.

It hasn't, and it's unfortunate. I haven't been advocating this as much as Xeiron.

[Twistedarcher]

Are we sure there's 2 scum teams?

And if there are, is that even true? I mean, a lot depends on the NKs -- scum could kill each other, scum could kill the same team...

Also, if you assume 2 scum teams, but only 1 person who's not on lover team, if you're assuming that they're scum, then you have unbalanced teams.

Your deductions don't add up..

I am thinking unbalanced teams, yes.

Why?

[liopoil]

Are we sure there's 2 scum teams?

And if there are, is that even true? I mean, a lot depends on the NKs -- scum could kill each other, scum could kill the same team...

Also, if you assume 2 scum teams, but only 1 person who's not on lover team, if you're assuming that they're scum, then you have unbalanced teams.

Your deductions don't add up..

I am thinking unbalanced teams, yes.

Why?

Good question.

[EFHW]

do you guys have day chat? or did you figure this all out N0?

I see no reason this info should be public. We have a QT.

Well it seems very implausible to me that you guys came to this level of agreement and conclusions N0, before there had been any interactions.