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[EFHW]

Hm.  You guys are prime NK targets. Is it significant enough info that it would be very helpful if you die, or is it not much more concrete than what you've already told us?

Well, it does add a fair bit of insight into the nature of the setup. It might lead to a massclaim.

what do you mean a lot better than a misslynch? it's a double misslynch!

Either of you could still be scum.

[nkirbit]

I think we should come out with it. what do you think X? We really did not want to claim, but you guys were just too curious!

We would have lynched xeiron had you not claimed, almost certainly. This is better

[nkirbit]

Hm.  You guys are prime NK targets. Is it significant enough info that it would be very helpful if you die, or is it not much more concrete than what you've already told us?

Well, it does add a fair bit of insight into the nature of the setup. It might lead to a massclaim.

what do you mean a lot better than a misslynch? it's a double misslynch!

Either of you could still be scum.

Is it possible for one but not the other?  Either they both are or neither are.

[liopoil]

well, I mean, you shouldn't have tried to lynch X at all

unless somebody objects soon, I'm claiming our roles.

[xeiron]

Fine.
There are four pairs of lovers in this game.
And most likely two scumteams.

[liopoil]

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with 2 scumteams.

I really wanted to wait for an intent to hammer, but it seemed to me that it would come inevitably and I knew a hammer would be a disaster.

[Twistedarcher]

Holy hell.

[liopoil]

Maybe people should claim lover-not lover?

[Twistedarcher]

Unvote

Wow, what the heck, I don't know what to think..

[liopoil]

Fine.
There are four pairs of lovers in this game.
And most likely two scumteams.

We don't know this 100%, just seems the most likely possibility.

[xeiron]

This is why I have a problem with  scummy flavor names. Their town lover would understand something is wrong.

[liopoil]

Maybe people should claim lover-not lover?

Actually, I think this is a VERY good idea.

[liopoil]

Xeiron, why do you think we shouldn't role-claim? we're gonna get killed...

[xeiron]

Xeiron, why do you think we shouldn't role-claim? we're gonna get killed...

I think scum would know all lover-pairs by now.
They get an advantage during night. We have to lynch right today.

[raerae]

I think I want to look at raerae here. It was odd that she was against allowing a claim. Certainly we wish that they hadn't had to claim, but this is a lot better than a mislynch.

ALLOWING ANY CLAIM AND HAVE BEEN AGAINST IT ALL GAME.  I'm so flipping upset at other events.  I need to take the night off.  My vote is where I want it to be.  I can't see Ash putting in lovers of the same team because that would be too powerful in a 9 player game and X is scummier than Lio.

[nkirbit]

Do you think all lovers have the same alignment?

[liopoil]

If scum know the lover-pairs, then we should claim them so that we know the lover-pairs too!

raerae, lots of things are possible, this is RMM, and most players are lovers.

[nkirbit]

I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm not a lover.  Anyone else?

[Twistedarcher]

Lio, X,

Where does the one of Sudgy/TA/Eevee thing come from?

[liopoil]

it comes from one of our roles. I don't quite agree with it, I'd say a different group of players.

anyone else not a lover?

[xeiron]

I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm not a lover.  Anyone else?

Does this include that you are not silvia or julia either?

[Twistedarcher]

Let's slow down on the claiming lover / notlover.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea eventually, but let's think it through, ok?

So, say we have 4 sets of lovers, and 1 non-lover.

I'd be inclined to believe the non-lover was town, and that we have 2, heck maybe even 3, scum teams of lovers.

If we don't have 4 sets of lovers, that means that the information X and Lio gave us was bad. Now, this doesn't necessarily make them scummy, but man.

They seem to have gotten a LOT of information pre-game. Like, a list of information never seen before, I think. To be able to determine the setup of the game, AND be able to create a list of players that contains a scum? Crazy.

Is the amount of information you have going to increase over the course of the game, or did you get everything you're going to have pre-game?

[nkirbit]

I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm not a lover.  Anyone else?

Does this include that you are not silvia or julia either?

I am neither.

[Twistedarcher]

Can you please put a number on how sure you are that there are 4 sets of lovers? Lio, X, do this separately

[liopoil]

we don't actually know that much. A lot of it is just deductions.

That said, I find it very unlikely that claiming lover-not lover will hurt town, and there is info to be gleaned.

I am not confident in that list of players that contains a scum.