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[Twistedarcher]

of course he can be town or scum, ash wouldn't put characters in who are obviously one alignment or another.

It is possible that this is a fakeclaim provided to him by ashersky.

From the OP:

3.  All roles, with flavor names, are pre-designed.  That means they do presuppose alignment.  All roles will be assigned randomly.

I think it means that there ARE roles that will clearly indicate scum or town. But I also would think that Ash would give scum fake claims like he did in LOTR.

I kind of agree with Nkirbit's point that two lovers both on town would be tough.

[Eevee]

Maybe xeiron is trying to get lynched?

Nah, it's not a bastard game, no way anyone should want to die day 1.

[Twistedarcher]

Maybe xeiron is trying to get lynched?

Jester is a BM role, not a RMM role, correct?

[EFHW]

I'll do a vote count

[liopoil]

We do not want lovers to claim. If the lovers are both town, and scum would know if they were or not, scum would have multiple players to choose to hit two town at once.

The more and more I think about it, it seems like it would be very hard to have two lovers on town. Would make the game difficult if we mislynch than lovers get hit. And if one of these lovers is scum, it'd definitely be proteus

And it's totally possible that we have more lover-pairs. A town lover-pair could be easily balanced by there also being scum lovers. Just a lover pair with 1 town 1 scum is a big boon for town. That's why xeiron shouldn't claim.

Liopoil, I want xeiron to claim because I have intention of lynching him.

So he'll do that if you can get him to L-1 and intent to hammer.

[Twistedarcher]

We do not want lovers to claim. If the lovers are both town, and scum would know if they were or not, scum would have multiple players to choose to hit two town at once.

The more and more I think about it, it seems like it would be very hard to have two lovers on town. Would make the game difficult if we mislynch than lovers get hit. And if one of these lovers is scum, it'd definitely be proteus

And it's totally possible that we have more lover-pairs. A town lover-pair could be easily balanced by there also being scum lovers. Just a lover pair with 1 town 1 scum is a big boon for town. That's why xeiron shouldn't claim.

Liopoil, I want xeiron to claim because I have intention of lynching him.

So he'll do that if you can get him to L-1 and intent to hammer.

Scum lovers seems even more harsh for a 9 person game. It would definitely mean 3 scum, though.

[nkirbit]

We do not want lovers to claim. If the lovers are both town, and scum would know if they were or not, scum would have multiple players to choose to hit two town at once.

The more and more I think about it, it seems like it would be very hard to have two lovers on town. Would make the game difficult if we mislynch than lovers get hit. And if one of these lovers is scum, it'd definitely be proteus

And it's totally possible that we have more lover-pairs. A town lover-pair could be easily balanced by there also being scum lovers. Just a lover pair with 1 town 1 scum is a big boon for town. That's why xeiron shouldn't claim.

I don't know how you got xeiron shouldn't claim from that first bit

[Eevee]

Maybe xeiron is trying to get lynched?

Jester is a BM role, not a RMM role, correct?

Yes.

Also, I don't think lovers sound harsh for town at all. It's RMM, only two scum in nine is pretty harsh for them. Remember that almost everyone is a VT in the standard setups.

[nkirbit]

Maybe xeiron is trying to get lynched?

Jester is a BM role, not a RMM role, correct?

Yes.

Also, I don't think lovers sound harsh for town at all. It's RMM, only two scum in nine is pretty harsh for them. Remember that almost everyone is a VT in the standard setups.

That's a good point. Perhaps you're right.

Well xeiron went to bed and I don't want to lynch him before he can claim. Do you want to take this time to make your case on efhw, eevee?

[Eevee]

liopoil, look. sudgy isnt getting lynched, how do you propose we continue if you don't want xeiron to claim?

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act I.XIX:

liopoil (1): nkirbit
sudgy (1): raerae
xeiron (2): sudgy, Twistedarcher

Not Voting (5): mail-mi, EFHW, liopoil, Eevee, xeiron

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

8 days have passed.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[ashersky]

Please correct me if I got any votes wrong.

[nkirbit]

I'm also not sure why the Lio lynched died so quickly

[Twistedarcher]

Silvia and Julia would DEFINITELY be town.

So either Sudgy is town lover, and we'd lose 2 town, or scum lover, and we'd lose 1 town 1 scum.

[liopoil]

We do not want lovers to claim. If the lovers are both town, and scum would know if they were or not, scum would have multiple players to choose to hit two town at once.

The more and more I think about it, it seems like it would be very hard to have two lovers on town. Would make the game difficult if we mislynch than lovers get hit. And if one of these lovers is scum, it'd definitely be proteus

And it's totally possible that we have more lover-pairs. A town lover-pair could be easily balanced by there also being scum lovers. Just a lover pair with 1 town 1 scum is a big boon for town. That's why xeiron shouldn't claim.

Liopoil, I want xeiron to claim because I have intention of lynching him.

So he'll do that if you can get him to L-1 and intent to hammer.

Scum lovers seems even more harsh for a 9 person game. It would definitely mean 3 scum, though.

No it wouldn't!!! this is a RMM game. There are all sorts of crazy roles out there that can balances this. Xeiron might have all sorts of reasons for not wanting to claim. you just don't know. Don't assume ANYTHING.

Xeiron might be another lover, or some other role that shouldn't be claimed.

 

liopoil, look. sudgy isnt getting lynched, how do you propose we continue if you don't want xeiron to claim?

I propose we find scum! if that's xeiron, so be it.

[liopoil]

Silvia and Julia would DEFINITELY be town.

So either Sudgy is town lover, and we'd lose 2 town, or scum lover, and we'd lose 1 town 1 scum.

Or scum fakeclaimer, which is even better.

[Eevee]

I'm on mobile already as well, so no. It's mostly just a feeling that she's fanning the flames without putting herself out there, would need to reread her with that thought in mind to be able to say anything more concrete. Just a "where would you expect scum to be here" kind of a thing.

[EFHW]

Vote Count Act I.unofficial:

liopoil (1): nkirbit
sudge (1): raerae
xeiron (2): sudgy, TA

Not Voting (5): mail-mi, EFHW, Eevee, xeiron, liopoil

[Eevee]

EHFW, what do you think of this general feeling I have of your play? How do you think we should proceed from here?

[Twistedarcher]

Lio, if we're not lynching Sudgy, where do you want to look next? Xeiron?

[EFHW]

Sorry, my fingers are all tangled in the puppet strings....

I don't agree with your description of my play.  I'm not sure how to proceed.  Xeiron's going off to bed like that is odd.  I know it's late in Norway, but it really ties our hands.  There are only 5 of us here now.  We would all have to agree to a lynch, which seems very unlikely, so I think we have to wait.

[Twistedarcher]

Banked day wise, there's no difference between lynching now and between lynching anywhere before 8:30 tomorrow, right?

[EFHW]

I'm not comfortable lynching xeiron without a claim.

[Twistedarcher]

I agree. But we also need to make sure we don't run 3 separate people up to make a claim D1. So we should be pretty sure of the next person we want to lynch before asking for a claim.

[liopoil]

Banked day wise, there's no difference between lynching now and between lynching anywhere before 8:30 tomorrow, right?

right.

I'm interesting in looking into EFHW and eevee. Maybe xeiron, but I'm not sold on that. People are a bit overeager on him.