Topic: RMM6 Redux - Shakespeare Mafia (Town wins!) (Read 167656 times)

liopoil · « **Reply #575 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:39:34 pm »

sudgy, why do you want to get a lynch by midnight tonight when you have to leave?

liopoil · « **Reply #576 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:40:28 pm »

Quote from: Twistedarcher on June 05, 2013, 08:39:12 pm

I just don't get what benefit it has claiming as town, either.

It's valuable info!

Eevee · « **Reply #577 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:40:34 pm »

People sometimes make hasty decisions when they have power roles and get excited about them in these games. If I had a nickel for every time I did something like that.. I'd have a couple of nickels.

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #578 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:40:59 pm »

Claim makes perfect Shakespearean sense...hm. Let me think.

nkirbit · « **Reply #579 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:41:13 pm »

Okay. So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

Are we sure that role is town?

Eevee · « **Reply #580 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:41:16 pm »

Unvote to process the claim.

Eevee · « **Reply #581 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:41:36 pm »

Quote from: nkirbit on June 05, 2013, 08:41:13 pm

Okay. So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

Are we sure that role is town?

It could be a creative scum role, why not?

Eevee · « **Reply #582 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:42:42 pm »

The people how know their Shakespeare: does it make any sense thematically to be lovers and not know the person you are in love with? Isn't that like very weird?

I think I'm fine with letting sudgy live and having him whisper me.

EFHW · « **Reply #583 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:43:35 pm »

The main danger is that if we lynch sudgy now and he's telling the truth, we also kill someone else. BUT, the main benefit is that this is confirmable - if there is a Julia or Sylvia who is lovers with Proteus.

liopoil · « **Reply #584 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:44:47 pm »

I'm confident sudgy's claim is true. So if we lynch him two people die. Should we have silvia/julia claim? I don't think so. Should we have silvia/julia just say who they are?

Eevee · « **Reply #585 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:45:15 pm »

Nkirbit, do you think xeiron should claim as well? I don't think we want a sudgy lynch, so that seems like the most logical course of action.

Eevee · « **Reply #586 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:45:36 pm »

Quote from: liopoil on June 05, 2013, 08:44:47 pm

I'm confident sudgy's claim is true. So if we lynch him two people die. Should we have silvia/julia claim? I don't think so. Should we have silvia/julia just say who they are?

I'm thinking absolutely not. Let's just not lynch sudgy and deal with that tomorrow.

EFHW · « **Reply #587 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:46:09 pm »

From Wikipedia (I just googled the three names): "Meanwhile, Proteus' father has decided that Proteus should travel to Milan and join Valentine. He orders that Proteus must leave the next day, prompting a tearful farewell with Julia, to whom Proteus swears eternal love. The two exchange rings and vows and Proteus promises to return as soon as he can.

In Milan, Proteus finds Valentine in love with the Duke's daughter Silvia. Despite Julia's love, Proteus falls instantly in love with Silvia and vows to win her."

Eevee · « **Reply #588 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:46:15 pm »

Generally claiming for lovers is pretty darn terrible. It sucks there is one out, but having multiple people would make it hell for our potential doctor.

nkirbit · « **Reply #589 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:48:08 pm »

Yes, I want xeiron to claim.

Twistedarcher · « **Reply #590 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:48:18 pm »

what I'm getting from wikipedia:

Proteus is one of the main characters is two gentleman of verona. He is, at different times, in love with Julia and Silvia.

However, looking closer, it's unclear as to if Proteus is actually a hero or a villain. Early on, he is to marry Julia. At the same time, his best friend Valentine is in love with Silvia. Proteus decides to scorn Julia, and connives to take Silvia from his best friend. Quote from a website: "The character of Proteus clearly presents a problem because audiences have a hard time believing (1) that his love can change so drastically in mere seconds and (2) that he will severely betray a true friend in order to win Silvia."

"He begins as a hero, turns into an antihero, and attempts to convert back to a hero when he says to Valentine, Silvia, and Julia “‘Tis true: O heaven, were man but constant, he were perfect. That one error fills him with faults; makes him run through all the sin; Inconstancy falls off, ere it begins. What is in Silvia’s face, but I may spy more fresh in Julia’s, with constant eye?” (5.4.109 114)

In order for The Two Gentlemen of Verona to be successfully performed, audiences must believe in both Proteus the hero and Proteus the antihero.Both are essential to the believability of the character as a whole.

Hmmm. So he could be a town, or a scum character.

xeiron · « **Reply #591 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:50:18 pm »

unvote and going to sleep.
I think we can afford one more day before lynching.
I have to think about sudgys claim.
It seems believable at first glance.

liopoil · « **Reply #592 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:50:55 pm »

of course he can be town or scum, ash wouldn't put characters in who are obviously one alignment or another.

It is possible that this is a fakeclaim provided to him by ashersky.

I do not think xeiron should claim. We're all very curious as to what he knows, but we don't know what his role is or anything. Xeiron should decide for himself whether fullclaiming is a good idea or not, or maybe if claiming a little bit more is a good idea.

PPE: no claim from xeiron today.

nkirbit · « **Reply #593 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:51:40 pm »

We do not want lovers to claim. If the lovers are both town, and scum would know if they were or not, scum would have multiple players to choose to hit two town at once.

The more and more I think about it, it seems like it would be very hard to have two lovers on town. Would make the game difficult if we mislynch than lovers get hit. And if one of these lovers is scum, it'd definitely be proteus

Eevee · « **Reply #594 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:51:51 pm »

xeiron please claim before going to sleeps.

EFHW · « **Reply #595 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:51:55 pm »

Quote from: xeiron on June 05, 2013, 08:50:18 pm

unvote and going to sleep.
I think we can afford one more day before lynching.
I have to think about sudgys claim.
It seems believable at first glance.

What? This is totally scummy.

Eevee · « **Reply #596 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:52:39 pm »

Liopoil, I want xeiron to claim because I have intention of lynching him.

nkirbit · « **Reply #597 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:53:28 pm »

Quote from: Eevee on June 05, 2013, 08:42:42 pm

The people how know their Shakespeare: does it make any sense thematically to be lovers and not know the person you are in love with? Isn't that like very weird?

I think I'm fine with letting sudgy live and having him whisper me.

It is possible there is both a Sylvia and a Julia character, and only ash knows which of the one is actually proteus' lover

EFHW · « **Reply #598 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:54:00 pm »

Maybe xeiron is trying to get lynched?

nkirbit · « **Reply #599 on:** June 05, 2013, 08:55:19 pm »

Could we have a vote count? I'm on my phone so it's hard to check who's invited or whatever

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