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[Twistedarcher]

Eevee, does this make you want to unvote Xeiron at all?

[Eevee]

Yeah xeiron, you need to commit to it more if you want it to matter at all. Saying "one of these three probably is scum but I'm not sure" is just such an advantageous lie for scum.

[Eevee]

Eevee, does this make you want to unvote Xeiron at all?

I don't want to coach him on how to proceed here if he is scum.

[sudgy]

The reason I am voting for you is mostly setup speculation. I find it highly likely that at least one of you, TwistedArcher and eevee are scum. I have a town-read on eevee, so I will not vote for him. I would still lynch Twisted if anyone would support me. If not, it has to be you.
I will not elaborate on this topic before a massclaim.

How does setup speculation lead you to thinking one of us three is scum?!?  I don't see ANYTHING related between the two.

Several people have mentioned scumreads on you, which means there might be more potential for a lyncy that there is on twisted.

"Oh, TA isn't getting lynched.  Let's try to find another lynch that people have said they're interested in to get a mislynch going without getting suspected!"

This drastically increases your scuminess in my eyes.

[xeiron]

The reason I am voting for you is mostly setup speculation. I find it highly likely that at least one of you, TwistedArcher and eevee are scum. I have a town-read on eevee, so I will not vote for him. I would still lynch Twisted if anyone would support me. If not, it has to be you.
I will not elaborate on this topic before a massclaim.

Not elaborating is ofc fine, but man, Xeiron, that was HUGE. Can you at least say how sure you are?

Not very sure yet, a night or two would help,
But so sure that i put this over whatever D1 cases that have been made.

Well...give me a night or two, and I'm sure I could pick out a group of 3 where at least 1 person is scum, too So I don't know how useful this is.

I hope to know a bit more than that.

[Twistedarcher]

Xeiron, this got asked by Eevee:

Is this PM-based, or thread-based?

[Eevee]

I think going after the "popular easy lynch" is actually a very wrong way to go about it.

[nkirbit]

On Xeiron:

His first real interaction this game was voting for TA.  That's remarkable.  He thinks that TA is wrong that I'm discrediting him instead of his case (which I agree with, btw.), and thinks that TA is manufacturing his case, but doesn't get any more specific than that.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people jumping on to the wagon here.  I think I did a good job defending myself from TA, but when I accused him of being scum, my case was certainly helped by some creative thought.  I had a good reason to look at TA, but come on, that case on him was a stretch.  He made a good point about me being a bad target if he were scum.  There are a couple of leaps of faith required to get where I got.

I don't like his switching to Sudgy.  Even if his guess is correct, and he's not that sure, it's bizarre that he would want to go after Sudgy given that TA is his highest scum read.  If you know 1 out of 3 are scum, and your highest scumread is in that group, there's no way I'm voting for someone else.

I think that if Xeiron wasn't willing to claim, he shouldn't have come forward with information.  Half-claiming is extremely weak.

[Twistedarcher]

I think going after the "popular easy lynch" is actually a very wrong way to go about it.

For town or for scum? Is this an answer to Sudgy's post?

[sudgy]

We have 25 minutes until the soft deadline.  I will vote (tomorrow) anybody who isn't voting by 8:30 who is on here.

[xeiron]

Xeiron, this got asked by Eevee:

Is this PM-based, or thread-based?

Both, mainly pm.

[nkirbit]

We have 25 minutes until the soft deadline.  I will vote (tomorrow) anybody who isn't voting by 8:30 who is on here.

NO!  Vote who you think is scum!  The time for voting inactive players is passed... we'll worry about that early day two.

We need a lynch as soon as possible, and the longer your vote is parked on inactive players, the longer this will take.

Please stop focusing on players who aren't here (mostly just mail-mi at this point, right?)

[Eevee]

I think going after the "popular easy lynch" is actually a very wrong way to go about it.

For town or for scum? Is this an answer to Sudgy's post?

Oh, for town. In that the easy lynches tend to hit town. Optimally you see something others didn't, point it out and convince all the town to join you. Like, all the townies should work really hard to get their #1 preferred lynch through.

[EFHW]

The one you just quoted. The way I see it, here are the possible reactions to the nkirbit-twistedarcher argument, from towniest to scummiest.

"seems like town on town"

"nkirbit is right, vote: ta"

"ta is right, vote: nkirbit"


And the more time someone takes before commiting to any of these three, the scummier he is (I could see scum waiting to see which side will "win" before choosing their opinion).

The only person who waited was efhw. Everyone else voted immediately.

And since there was one vote on each of you, it wasn't because I was waiting to see who would win.

[Twistedarcher]

Sudgy,
I agree with what you're saying in principle, but in practice, I'd rather do an informed lynch, after I figure out what Xeiron has to say, in a couple hours than a less informed one now. I'd focus instead on if the people online are trying to move towards a lynch -- which is seems like everyone on is -- rather than a black/white policy there.

[liopoil]

Hi, I'm here. I too am very curious about what xeiron knows.

[sudgy]

We have 25 minutes until the soft deadline.  I will vote (tomorrow) anybody who isn't voting by 8:30 who is on here.

NO!  Vote who you think is scum!  The time for voting inactive players is passed... we'll worry about that early day two.

We need a lynch as soon as possible, and the longer your vote is parked on inactive players, the longer this will take.

Please stop focusing on players who aren't here (mostly just mail-mi at this point, right?)

That's why I said "tomorrow".

[Eevee]

I think it's pretty clearly either sudgy or Xeiron today. Anyone disagree?

[Twistedarcher]

The one you just quoted. The way I see it, here are the possible reactions to the nkirbit-twistedarcher argument, from towniest to scummiest.

"seems like town on town"

"nkirbit is right, vote: ta"

"ta is right, vote: nkirbit"


And the more time someone takes before commiting to any of these three, the scummier he is (I could see scum waiting to see which side will "win" before choosing their opinion).

The only person who waited was efhw. Everyone else voted immediately.

And since there was one vote on each of you, it wasn't because I was waiting to see who would win.

Oh I wasn't saying it was, it was just an observation.

What do you think on Xeiron / Sudgy? And on Xeiron's claim

[nkirbit]

I think going after the "popular easy lynch" is actually a very wrong way to go about it.

For town or for scum? Is this an answer to Sudgy's post?

Oh, for town. In that the easy lynches tend to hit town. Optimally you see something others didn't, point it out and convince all the town to join you. Like, all the townies should work really hard to get their #1 preferred lynch through.

Man, this is exactly the opposite of what I did in my last game, and you're 100% right.

[Twistedarcher]

I think going after the "popular easy lynch" is actually a very wrong way to go about it.

For town or for scum? Is this an answer to Sudgy's post?

Oh, for town. In that the easy lynches tend to hit town. Optimally you see something others didn't, point it out and convince all the town to join you. Like, all the townies should work really hard to get their #1 preferred lynch through.

Hey, I tried!!

[nkirbit]

I think it's pretty clearly either sudgy or Xeiron today. Anyone disagree?

Lio is still on two votes.  I'd rather lynch Lio than Xeiron.  I would also consider raerae.

[sudgy]

I would make a case on xeiron, but that's hard to do as he has barely any posts.

We should lynch him because he has been very lurky, and the few things he has done haven't been much.  And his half-claiming thing was very strange.

Xeiron, at this stage, claiming something very believable will be the only way for me to unvote you.

[xeiron]

We have 25 minutes until the soft deadline.  I will vote (tomorrow) anybody who isn't voting by 8:30 who is on here.

This is the reason I am trying the popular easy lynch.

[Twistedarcher]

On Xeiron:

His first real interaction this game was voting for TA.  That's remarkable.  He thinks that TA is wrong that I'm discrediting him instead of his case (which I agree with, btw.), and thinks that TA is manufacturing his case, but doesn't get any more specific than that.

I'm a little uncomfortable with people jumping on to the wagon here.  I think I did a good job defending myself from TA, but when I accused him of being scum, my case was certainly helped by some creative thought.  I had a good reason to look at TA, but come on, that case on him was a stretch.  He made a good point about me being a bad target if he were scum.  There are a couple of leaps of faith required to get where I got.

I don't like his switching to Sudgy.  Even if his guess is correct, and he's not that sure, it's bizarre that he would want to go after Sudgy given that TA is his highest scum read.  If you know 1 out of 3 are scum, and your highest scumread is in that group, there's no way I'm voting for someone else.

I think that if Xeiron wasn't willing to claim, he shouldn't have come forward with information.  Half-claiming is extremely weak.

Agree. Half claiming is extremely weak, especially when it's RMM -- we knew he had a power role already if he's town!

The claim seemed less to be saving himself and more on pushing another lynch through. I think that's slightly more likely to come from scum..