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[mail-mi]

Hey Eevee,

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

[Eevee]

Hey Eevee,

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

No idea. I very much doubt we'd catch rae that way.

Somehow I do have a feeling she wants to appear pro-town a little too much, but I already feel my "bad feeling" about liopoil was misguided (although useful!) and I felt yuma was trying to appear too pro-town in pirates and he was town, so I'm not putting a vote down or anything.

I generally don't like statements like "scum raerae asks more questions than town raerae" or "scum eevee buddies less than town eevee". It'a just so hard to know if someone just knows how he/she is perceived and is fooling you.

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act I.VIII:

liopoil (2): Twistedarcher, raerae
mail-mi (2): EFHW, sudgy

Not Voting (5): mail-mi, nkirbit, liopoil, xeiron, Eevee

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[sudgy]

And of course, mail-mi tries to answer the question differently than lio, so as not to get suspicion...

Hey Eevee,

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

The one time I saw her as scum (I think the only time) (she subbed in D2 and couldn't really get on until D3 or later, so that may have been why), she was COMPLETELY different.  Was a lot more quiet, not asking many questions, practically no jokes, etc.  In RMM7 she played differently too, but she was town.

[mail-mi]

And of course, mail-mi tries to answer the question differently than lio, so as not to get suspicion...

Wait what? How did I do that?

[sudgy]

And of course, mail-mi tries to answer the question differently than lio, so as not to get suspicion...

Wait what? How did I do that?

Lio was like, "Sorry, I didn't notice" while you just answered them like nothing was wrong.

[mail-mi]

And of course, mail-mi tries to answer the question differently than lio, so as not to get suspicion...

Wait what? How did I do that?

Lio was like, "Sorry, I didn't notice" while you just answered them like nothing was wrong.

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

Does town!mail-mi or scum!mail-mi usually avoid my questions?

mail-mi, I challenge you to do something more than agree with the SD.  What are your thoughts on xeiron and nkirbit?

Oh missed that. Currently going to a movie, answer when on a computer.

[nkirbit]

Sudgy, keep in mind that mail-mi's response is consistent with his posting style.  He and lio do post different in general, so I don't think it's odd that mail-mi's response is different than lio's.

[Twistedarcher]

unvote with a wagon this size for reasons this nonexistent, I really don't think lio is town.

I answered this before when Nkirbit made the same point, but I don't think the conclusion you guys are drawing about Lio's wagon is true.  He's had 3 votes -- one of which was your random one, so that doesn't even really count -- and a few others (Sudgy, someone else I can't remember) pointing out that it's odd that he doesn't answer the questions, but it doesn't strike me as a scum-driven wagon. It seems to me like a wagon meant to apply pressure to get someone to talk, and to point out something scummy. I just don't think that this is the wagon that scum are going to jump on to try to get a lynch going, not with so little on Lio -- they'd wait for a case with more behind it.

I actually think scum, at this point, would be more likely to oppose the wagon than hopping on board. I don't suspect Raerae for jumping on board, and it gives me a town read on her.

The fact that multiple people find someone scummy for the same thing doesn't mean that there's a scum motive behind it. Lio's ignoring the questions WAS weird, for someone who's been active.

[Twistedarcher]

Eevee, you earlier voted Lio because something was "off", if I'm recalling correctly -- can you expand on this?

[EFHW]

unvote with a wagon this size for reasons this nonexistent, I really don't think lio is town scum.

FTFE (fixed that for Eevee)

I think Eevee made a typo here - he goes on to say he doesn't find liopoil scummy.

I notice mail-mi has done a self-quote post again.  Why do you do that, mail-mi? 

[EFHW]

And of course, mail-mi tries to answer the question differently than lio, so as not to get suspicion...

This does seem like a bit of a stretch.

[Twistedarcher]

unvote with a wagon this size for reasons this nonexistent, I really don't think lio is town scum.

FTFE (fixed that for Eevee)

I think Eevee made a typo here - he goes on to say he doesn't find liopoil scummy.

I notice mail-mi has done a self-quote post again.  Why do you do that, mail-mi?

Yeah I assume that's what he meant -- its an easy typo to make

[raerae]

Hello all! it's worth note that eevee is the only real veteran in this game.

Lio, why did you think this was important to point out?

[sudgy]

And of course, mail-mi tries to answer the question differently than lio, so as not to get suspicion...

Wait what? How did I do that?

Lio was like, "Sorry, I didn't notice" while you just answered them like nothing was wrong.

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

Does town!mail-mi or scum!mail-mi usually avoid my questions?

mail-mi, I challenge you to do something more than agree with the SD.  What are your thoughts on xeiron and nkirbit?

Oh missed that. Currently going to a movie, answer when on a computer.

But you ignored it for a while afterwards, and got called out on it AFTER that.  After getting called out, you responded differently than lio did.

[Eevee]

Eevee, you earlier voted Lio because something was "off", if I'm recalling correctly -- can you expand on this?

I can when I get to computer access (need to dig back), but it really was the most minor thing, I like to kill RVS by making a suspicion from any small thing I can find and seeing what happens.

I also didnt realize the lio-wagon was just 3 votes and a bunch of people wondering him not answering the questions. It does make me a little less certain he is town.

[liopoil]

Hello all! it's worth note that eevee is the only real veteran in this game.

Lio, why did you think this was important to point out?

The game had just started and it was just something I noticed when discussing our opponents in my scum QT. It's not really important.

[raerae]

Hello all! it's worth note that eevee is the only real veteran in this game.

Lio, why did you think this was important to point out?

The game had just started and it was just something I noticed when discussing our opponents in my scum QT. It's not really important.

Dude, settle down, there wasn't anything accusatory about that question. I was rereading a bit, had a question, and asked it. You've spent a lot of time defending yourself because you came under pressure early so let's move beyond that and generate some different conversation. What do you think about nkirbit and EFHW?

[Twistedarcher]

I have a question for Ashersky (and I guess Raerae can weigh in too):

I want to look back at Nkirbit's behavior in Mean Girls, since it's his only other game. But the game's still ongoing, although he's dead. Am I allowed to look at his behavior there and compare it to his behavior here, and post about it? Or is that taboo since Mean Girls is still ongoing?

[raerae]

I have a question for Ashersky (and I guess Raerae can weigh in too):

I want to look back at Nkirbit's behavior in Mean Girls, since it's his only other game. But the game's still ongoing, although he's dead. Am I allowed to look at his behavior there and compare it to his behavior here, and post about it? Or is that taboo since Mean Girls is still ongoing?

Ash, I have my opinions but I believe you have the final say, leaving this one to you.

[Twistedarcher]

Raerae if Ash says it's okay but you're not okay with it, I won't do it, either

[liopoil]

oh, I guess that came off wrong. It wasn't supposed to be sarcastic

raerae, questions are great and all, but you should say more about what YOU think of other players.

EFHW: Townread for high activity and pushing converstation forward.

Nkirbit: I'd like to wait for an answer to TA's question before answering.

[shraeye]

I have a question for Ashersky (and I guess Raerae can weigh in too):

I want to look back at Nkirbit's behavior in Mean Girls, since it's his only other game. But the game's still ongoing, although he's dead. Am I allowed to look at his behavior there and compare it to his behavior here, and post about it? Or is that taboo since Mean Girls is still ongoing?

As a mod for both games, I emphatically say no.  I'll allow an ash-overrule, but I strongly advise against discussing any ongoing games, even for people who are dead.  This could affect, say, the "stances" that a living scum player in either game is taking regarding that player.

[Twistedarcher]

I have a question for Ashersky (and I guess Raerae can weigh in too):

I want to look back at Nkirbit's behavior in Mean Girls, since it's his only other game. But the game's still ongoing, although he's dead. Am I allowed to look at his behavior there and compare it to his behavior here, and post about it? Or is that taboo since Mean Girls is still ongoing?

As a mod for both games, I emphatically say no.  I'll allow an ash-overrule, but I strongly advise against discussing any ongoing games, even for people who are dead.  This could affect, say, the "stances" that a living scum player in either game is taking regarding that player.

Ok, sounds good, thanks for the clarification!

Lio, let's hear your answer now

[liopoil]

aww shucks. I can understand that ruling though. Let me take a look:

I'm not sure how to make this game progress at this point?  Anyone have any ideas?

For some reason this reads town. I remember as scum in another dinner party I just disappeared when nothing was happening early D1. Then again, I got called out for that, so hmmm...

similar to EFHW, he's a big contributer. Managing to make this post:

More to come!

With more to come so early in the game isn't easy.

This response is adequate:

Is it worth noting that mail-mi still hasn't answered raerae's question, despite being online since the point at which he said he would?

I actually don't find him particularly scummy for it.  I think a mafia would be much more certain to not let answering a question that they were asked, then reasked, than a town would.  It's just much more reasonable for a townie to forget to answer a question.

My question for you - why were you uncomfortable pointing out something that might make mail-mi look scummy, to the point where you made an extra post saying you didn't find him scummy?

I think the first post was incomplete.  I generally don't like when players bring up issues without giving their views on it... it comes off to me as trying to direct the conversation a certain direction without having it be tied back to you.  I think it would be hypocritical of me to not meet my own standards, so I added more.  I would have made it one post had I done it again, but I can't edit, so double-posting was the best I could do.

So yeah, another town read. I need to find scum though... and I have too many townreads.