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[Twistedarcher]

well, I read the whole very short thread, and based off hardly anything:

slight slight slight scum: EFHW, eevee
slight slight slight town: xeiron, raerae, sudgy.

nkirbit, TA, and mail-mi aren't even slightly slightly slightly slightly anything.

Why isn't nkirbot anything? I get me and mail mi since we've contributed nothing but you should have some read one way or another on nkirbit for his vote of efhw. He's been probably the most active contributor thus far.

[raerae]

well, I read the whole very short thread, and based off hardly anything:

slight slight slight scum: EFHW, eevee
slight slight slight town: xeiron, raerae, sudgy.

nkirbit, TA, and mail-mi aren't even slightly slightly slightly slightly anything.

Why isn't nkirbot anything? I get me and mail mi since we've contributed nothing but you should have some read one way or another on nkirbit for his vote of efhw. He's been probably the most active contributor thus far.

What is your definition of an "active contributor"?

[Twistedarcher]

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

Does town!mail-mi or scum!mail-mi usually avoid my questions?

mail-mi, I challenge you to do something more than agree with the SD.  What are your thoughts on xeiron and nkirbit?

He avoided mcmcs questions in samurai when he was scum.

I'm 2/2 on figuring out mail mi being scum so far so I'm hoping ill be able to do it again this game if hes scum again. No read on him yet though.

[Twistedarcher]

well, I read the whole very short thread, and based off hardly anything:

slight slight slight scum: EFHW, eevee
slight slight slight town: xeiron, raerae, sudgy.

nkirbit, TA, and mail-mi aren't even slightly slightly slightly slightly anything.

Why isn't nkirbot anything? I get me and mail mi since we've contributed nothing but you should have some read one way or another on nkirbit for his vote of efhw. He's been probably the most active contributor thus far.

What is your definition of an "active contributor"?

He's been posting. Which I haven't been and I don't think mail mi has been as far as I remember.

[Twistedarcher]

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

I have no idea but I think this is a very good question. It seems she's making an active attempt to be proactive rather than reactive. Generally I'd attribute that to a town member but I'm not sure in her case since I've never played with her before.

[nkirbit]

Cursory reread, vote: liopoil. Feels a bit off. Town read on sudgy.

I do feel a bit off. This is my first RMM game, not sure what to do from here. maybe I'll go find a scummy person and vote for them.

This is my plan.  Until I have a reason not to, I'm going to treat it as a normal game.

What kind of reason would you anticipate/are you looking for?

I don't know.  I've never played an RMM game before, and I have played a regular one, so my default is to treat it as a regular game.  I don't know what reason I'm anticipating.. or if there even will be.  But as a default, I'm treating it the same way I treated my first game.

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act I.V:

nkirbit (2): xeiron, sudgy
raerae (1): liopoil
liopoil (1): Eevee
mail-mi (1): EFHW

Not Voting (4): Twistedarcher, mail-mi, nkirbit, raerae

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[raerae]

Does town!raerae or scum!raerae usually as more questions?

Does town!mail-mi or scum!mail-mi usually avoid my questions?

mail-mi, I challenge you to do something more than agree with the SD.  What are your thoughts on xeiron and nkirbit?

He avoided mcmcs questions in samurai when he was scum.

I'm 2/2 on figuring out mail mi being scum so far so I'm hoping ill be able to do it again this game if hes scum again. No read on him yet though.

I've played with him once or twice.  I'm very sassy.  This was a pointed, sassy, rhetorical question that may as well have read, "Oh, sweetie, I know you did not just avoid my question.  Here, I'll quote it for you one more time."  Don't worry, you'll get used to it.

[sudgy]

Wait, speaking of mafia-lover teams, what if there were multiple teams, but they were lovers to even things out?

[ashersky]

This is the excellent foppery of the world, that,
when we are sick in fortune,--often the surfeit
of our own behavior,--we make guilty of our
disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars: as
if we were villains by necessity; fools by
heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and
treachers, by spherical predominance; drunkards,
liars, and adulterers, by an enforced obedience of
planetary influence; and all that we are evil in,
by a divine thrusting on: an admirable evasion
of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish
disposition to the charge of a star.

[xeiron]

Wait, speaking of mafia-lover teams, what if there were multiple teams, but they were lovers to even things out?

As in four scum and five town? I think that is a little too much even if they are lovers.

[EFHW]

Wait, speaking of mafia-lover teams, what if there were multiple teams, but they were lovers to even things out?

As in four scum and five town? I think that is a little too much even if they are lovers.

That's almost a 50% chance of hitting scum, and if you do you would take out two.  But the double nightkill would be too big an advantage to scum.  The word "lovers" has appeared pretty frequently though.

... Star-cross'd voters [lovers in the original] might think to take some lives;
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Do with their deaths bury each others' strife.
The fearful passage of their death-mark'd love,
And the continuance of their newfound rage, ...

Romeo and Juliet: lovers?

And therefore, — since I cannot prove a lover,
To entertain these fair well-spoken days, —
I am determined to prove a villain,
And hate the idle pleasures of these days..

Well the mafia definitely won't be lovers -- That means if one dies both die.  Too easy!

I don't think this is necessarily true.

Sudgy's idea is mentioned in the wiki, but as part of open setups: "Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it die simultaneously. Lovers have been known to be of any alignment. It is not at all implausible to have Lovers in Town-scum pairs. Lovers are frequently used for balance purposes in Open Setups, and are featured in Polygamist."
"Polygamist is an Open setup which is mainly characterized by a group of four lovers, who happen to be scum. The original idea was created by Adel."

[EFHW]

Forgot one:

If music be the food of love, play on,
Give me excess of it; that surfeiting,
The appetite may sicken, and so die.

[Twistedarcher]

I think you guys are wrong -- it'd be too short of a game.

Regardless I don't see what difference it makes especially d1. Lets still lynch the person we feel most likely to be town.

[Twistedarcher]

Scum,even

[EFHW]

I think you guys are wrong -- it'd be too short of a game.

Regardless I don't see what difference it makes especially d1. Lets still lynch the person we feel most likely to be town.

Well, it's important for players who haven't had a game with lovers in it to be aware of the implications.  Like, if you're a lover and we're about to lynch you, unless you know your lover is scum, speak up!

[Twistedarcher]

I think you guys are wrong -- it'd be too short of a game.

Regardless I don't see what difference it makes especially d1. Lets still lynch the person we feel most likely to be town.

Well, it's important for players who haven't had a game with lovers in it to be aware of the implications.  Like, if you're a lover and we're about to lynch you, unless you know your lover is scum, speak up!

Right but now you are just giving scum a possible fake-claim. Any player who was sent a lover PM will surely be able to figure that out themselves -- we're all reasonably smart people here.

[EFHW]

I think you guys are wrong -- it'd be too short of a game.

Regardless I don't see what difference it makes especially d1. Lets still lynch the person we feel most likely to be town.

Well, it's important for players who haven't had a game with lovers in it to be aware of the implications.  Like, if you're a lover and we're about to lynch you, unless you know your lover is scum, speak up!

Right but now you are just giving scum a possible fake-claim. Any player who was sent a lover PM will surely be able to figure that out themselves -- we're all reasonably smart people here.

Alright, you have a point there.

[sudgy]

It could maybe be 2 scum-lovers and an SK or something.  Just trying to name possibilities.

[liopoil]

It could maybe be 2 scum-lovers and an SK or something.  Just trying to name possibilities.

exactly what I was going to say. There are countless ways to balance a game in RMM, scum lovers are very much possible.

[EFHW]

I think you guys are wrong -- it'd be too short of a game.

Regardless I don't see what difference it makes especially d1. Lets still lynch the person we feel most likely to be town.

Well, it's important for players who haven't had a game with lovers in it to be aware of the implications.  Like, if you're a lover and we're about to lynch you, unless you know your lover is scum, speak up!

Right but now you are just giving scum a possible fake-claim. Any player who was sent a lover PM will surely be able to figure that out themselves -- we're all reasonably smart people here.

Alright, you have a point there.

Actually, any claim by a lover should be verifiable by the other lover, so a fakeclaim would not work.

[liopoil]

yes it does. They can claim to be a lover with their scumbuddy.

[liopoil]

although, that does essentially make them lovers, because if one flips scum the other is obvscum.

[sudgy]

Why are we even talking about lovers anyway?  We don't even know if we have any, it would just fit with the theme...

[nkirbit]

Is it worth noting that mail-mi still hasn't answered raerae's question, despite being online since the point at which he said he would?