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[mail-mi]

Day 1 ends April 1st 3pm forum time

April Fool's Day? Really? That... That has to be intentional, right?

The end day is no joke. The following, however, is: Jorbles owns this mansion.
Haha funny, right?

[spiritbears]

Goodly folk of the town, avenge me.  My untimely murder, and the failure of your fellow townspeople to avert it, has doomed me to an eternity of wandering around my mansion, unable to eat, drink, or be merry! 

Oh Jorbles, you were so loyal for so long...what changed, dear friend?

The dead don't party?  Who knew?

I'm Spirit Bears.  Totally green (inexperienced) know no one irl,  barely anyone online. (Ok I'm a hermit....   In fact I'm a little confused about mafia games existing irl....?
Nevertheless. I'm Pacific Coast time (three hours prior to server). 
Cheers and bottoms up ash

[werothegreat]

Sorry, I was expecting a PM for when the thread unlocked, and now I have no idea what's going on.

[xeiron]

Hi! I'm Xeiron.

I have some rl experience, but are new to forum mafia.
This is the second game I signed up for. The first started a week ago.

I am in GMT+1

[Eevee]

This game will use the 2of4 setup. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=2of4)

There are six possible variations to this setup:

1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Cop, Doctor.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Cop, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 5 Vanilla Townies, Doctor, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies, Cop.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies, Jailkeeper.
1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies, Doctor

So, some setup speculation to start us off. Any time we get three or claimants, one must be lying. If you have a power role and someone claims it, you know they must be lying and should generally come out and claim. Doc should avoid claiming as much as possible, it's a very strong role unclaimed but won't survive long if claimed. Cop should probably claim if they've found scum (better to try to lead town to right direction and try to gauge some reactions first, maybe), and otherwise just use their own judgement. Just creating IC's by claiming town results can be pretty strong, remember you can't tell your past investigation results if you are nightkilled before you come out. Jailkeeper is in my opinion the hardest to play of these three, but it can be very strong. Night one you probably want to try to jailkeep the guy that you think will be making mafias night kill, but that's very hard to do. just don't get discouraged and again try to postpone claiming as much as possible, jailkeeper gets crazy strong the further the game progresses. it's an interesting role as it can work as a doctor or a cop in the right circumstances.
If you are mafia, I suggest just coming out and confessing. I promise we'll make it a quick death.

[Avalanchian]

Okay before I respond to Eevee's comment, I just need to check what IC means. Does it mean innocent claim?

[mail-mi]

IC means innocent child (confirmed town), just like my children.

[mcmcsalot]

Wero! Didn't realize you we're one of the "newbs" welcome.

So I can't tell if we're in errrr or worse shape than last time. Scum always has a role cop now so setups where we have one power role is going to be harder but scum doesn't know how many power roles we have which is good. Last game liopoil and I knew there could only be one power role. So I don't expect there to be any fake claims.

As far as claiming at l-1 DON'T DO IT. And if you are a power role probably just claim vt unless your really are going to die. We don't want to let scum know if you are or aren't a power role for free, it makes it much easier for them to find the power role.

[Eevee]

Not sure I agree with not claiming. Depends on the board!

[mcmcsalot]

We rushed 2 people to L-1 and got them to claim, made pr hunting a lot easier.

[werothegreat]

vote liopoil

[shraeye]

• First of people should say there gender unless you prefer not to, just know everyone here will default to the masculine.
  
• Give your previous mafia experience(as eevee said)
  
• and what time zone you are in.
  
• Allso if you know anyone irl, I believe this was covered but going through again can't hurt.
  

It helps to keep peoples times in mind because people often seem scummy when their post times seem skewed, as though they are watching everyone else and contemplating what to say.

This goes for vets too, remember they are in the same boat as us they have to learn more new people.

I had planned on commenting after quick catchup, but this needs immediate addressing.
First item is important, I don't want to offend anyone.

Second item is totally optional, it's nice to let us vets know that you know things, so we don't try to "explain things to the new dude" and end up sounding like assholes.

Third item is totally unnecessary.  In fact, don't post it.  Here's why.  People do not seem scummy when their post times are skewed.  Period.  If you're going to scumhunt by accusing people of not responding in a timely fashion, you're gonna have a bad time. ().  Seriously, things come up.  Real life happens.  Now if somebody DOESN'T respond at all, then suspicion may be warranted.

Also, this is super important:  it is OK if the game 'stalls' for a few hours, or even a day while waiting on something.  If people keep posting posting posting useless stuff like "hey, when is X gonna be around, really scummy right?" it not only makes the mafia's jobs of finding mislynch targets ultra easy (just point at anyone who's not posting a lot) but is also just fills up the thread and clutters everything.

Discussion is good, but clutter is bad.  Some recent games on this forum have gone pretty badly for town, as there are pages on pages of posts (like 50+ pages, which over 1000 posts), and nobody every bothers to go through the monumental task of rereading anybody.  Then we all vote on gut-feeling and scum (that's what we call mafia) laugh their way to a victory.  Decent reads can and will be formed over a shorter number of pages/posts.  Don't ever let anyone tell you that there is a "minimum" number of posts to reach in order to 'not be scummy'.  That's absurd.

Ok, rant is over.  The fourth item is important only if you know somebody in the game in real-life.

[shraeye]

As far as claiming at l-1 DON'T DO IT. And if you are a power role probably just claim vt unless your really are going to die. We don't want to let scum know if you are or aren't a power role for free, it makes it much easier for them to find the power role.

So there's a procedure that should be followed when a lynch is about to happen (People will often say "XX is at L-1", which means that they are 1 vote away from being lynched.  This can be extended to L-2 or higher, though this happens most often in larger games). 

FIRST, "being at L-1" and "about to be lynched" are two different things.  I think almost every time a power role is about to be lynched, that they should claim.
Note: a power role is one of the town-aligned roles that have night actions; so Cop, doctor, jailkeeper. Not the vanilla townies (VTs).

SECOND, if anybody hammers (casts the final, deciding vote) before we've had a chance to follow this procedure, that hammer is often called a quickhammer.  They are very scummy.  I will immediately and unswervingly pursue the lynch of anybody who quickhammers, even if they claim it is accidental.

THIRD, if you intend to cast the vote which lynches whomever is on the block, then you should first announce this.  Say something like "I intend to hammer XX".  Then we will give time for that person to claim.  It's possible that we are about to mistakenly lynch a powerful role for town, which is a very bad thing.

FOURTH, if somebody has stated intent to hammer you, and you are a vanilla townie, I strongly suggest that you say "I claim nothing", instead of explicitly claiming VT.  The reason for this is subtle: it is often bad to lie when you are town, and a PR (power role) who is forced towards claiming but doesn't want to out themselves may decide not to claim.  It's best if they can do so without being forced to lie and say they are VT.  This can be a useful tool for stopping scum from PR-hunting by putting people up at L-1, stating intent to hammer, but then not following through with the hammer.

[shraeye]

Lastly, I will vote: Avanlanchian because he's concerned about non-participant EFHW posting in the thread, but isn't concerned about all of the fluff-posts/joking that the mods/players are doing which clutters the thread worse.

[mcmcsalot]

As far as claiming at l-1 DON'T DO IT. And if you are a power role probably just claim vt unless your really are going to die. We don't want to let scum know if you are or aren't a power role for free, it makes it much easier for them to find the power role.

So there's a procedure that should be followed when a lynch is about to happen (People will often say "XX is at L-1", which means that they are 1 vote away from being lynched.  This can be extended to L-2 or higher, though this happens most often in larger games). 

FIRST, "being at L-1" and "about to be lynched" are two different things.  I think almost every time a power role is about to be lynched, that they should claim.
Note: a power role is one of the town-aligned roles that have night actions; so Cop, doctor, jailkeeper. Not the vanilla townies (VTs).

SECOND, if anybody hammers (casts the final, deciding vote) before we've had a chance to follow this procedure, that hammer is often called a quickhammer.  They are very scummy.  I will immediately and unswervingly pursue the lynch of anybody who quickhammers, even if they claim it is accidental.

THIRD, if you intend to cast the vote which lynches whomever is on the block, then you should first announce this.  Say something like "I intend to hammer XX".  Then we will give time for that person to claim.  It's possible that we are about to mistakenly lynch a powerful role for town, which is a very bad thing.

FOURTH, if somebody has stated intent to hammer you, and you are a vanilla townie, I strongly suggest that you say "I claim nothing", instead of explicitly claiming VT.  The reason for this is subtle: it is often bad to lie when you are town, and a PR (power role) who is forced towards claiming but doesn't want to out themselves may decide not to claim.  It's best if they can do so without being forced to lie and say they are VT.  This can be a useful tool for stopping scum from PR-hunting by putting people up at L-1, stating intent to hammer, but then not following through with the hammer.

This is exactly what I meant concerning claiming issues, thank you for explaining it better.

[xeiron]

Someone once told me that mafia likes to lurk...
Vote: spiritbears for only having one post.

[shraeye]

Someone once told me that mafia likes to lurk...
Vote: spiritbears for only having one post.

Vote: xeiron

It's been 26 hours since this game opened.  Hardly anybody has contributed anything.  This is absolutely the wrong time to pretend like posting infrequently is scummy.

[Eevee]

Very good post shraeye, very good.

Vote: xeiron

I'm not sure if everyone agrees with me, but I believe in voting, because it creates interactions. Now, I don't mean completely random finger pointing, but rather backing even smaller suspicions with a vote. I think xeiron going after spiritbears for not posting yet (not like wero for example has contributed yet either - which is fine) is worth noting. Seems thirsty for blood. They didnt announce the game start with a pm, some people don't visit the forum or the games section that often.

[mail-mi]

VOTE COUNT 1.2


spiritbears (1): xeiron
xeiron (2): Eevee, shraeye
NOT VOTING (9): Eevee, Avalanchian, yuma, spiritbears, BoxOfDOG, mcmcsalot, werothegreat, shraeye

[yuma]

Pretty sure I am voting for Box

vote: boxofdog stay away from my soul

I am yuma. I have been on fds mafia for a while now... approaching a year. I am a male and prefer to be called as such and will auto-vote anyone that calls me differently.

Um... sometimes people think I am invisible so they call me invisiyuma. And I am US Mountain time. Which is GM something that I can't remember. But two hours behind forum time (ET)

So I am in the process of moving... should be done on Saturday... and studying for the biggest test I have ever taken to date--I'll have another one in about 2 weeks but we will deal with that when we get there--meaning I may be just a bit V/LA (vacation/leave of absence, although it certainly is not a vacation by any means). Not completely by any means and I imagine I will be able to keep up, especially if this pace continues, but just wanted to let you guys know.

[mail-mi]

VOTE COUNT 1.2


spiritbears (1): xeiron
xeiron (2): Eevee, shraeye
BoxOfDOG (1): yuma
NOT VOTING (9): Eevee, Avalanchian, yuma, spiritbears, BoxOfDOG, mcmcsalot, werothegreat, shraeye

P. S. Mods cannot be lynched (wero).

Thanks yuma. Changes in quote.

[liopoil]

Shraeye is voting for avalanchian. There are only 4 people not voting, not 9.

[shraeye]

Very good post shraeye, very good.

Which post is very good?  The one with the vote on xeiron?  What makes it a good post?

[spiritbears]

Someone once told me that mafia likes to lurk...
Vote: spiritbears for only having one post.

Vote: xeiron

It's been 26 hours since this game opened.  Hardly anybody has contributed anything.  This is absolutely the wrong time to pretend like posting infrequently is scummy.

Thanks. Maybe I'm still trying to figure out what's going on before I post and make a folk of myself!
So, for calling me out, I VOTE Xerion.

[spiritbears]

See...that's why I don't post..."fool" not "folk"