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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1875 on: April 20, 2013, 03:46:26 am »

The thing is, it is actually a scheduling thing. I don't have a 9-5 job. I have a 4 week rotating schedule. Sometimes I work day, sometimes evenings, sometimes weekends. And I'm pretty much only able to do any substantional contribution while at work. And only when there's not too much to do.

Also, can it be called topgunning when I'm swooping in to say stuff before I'm called out for it? Doesn't that sound more like, you know... Lurking?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1876 on: April 20, 2013, 03:59:43 am »

The thing is, it is actually a scheduling thing. I don't have a 9-5 job. I have a 4 week rotating schedule. Sometimes I work day, sometimes evenings, sometimes weekends. And I'm pretty much only able to do any substantional contribution while at work. And only when there's not too much to do.

Also, can it be called topgunning when I'm swooping in to say stuff before I'm called out for it? Doesn't that sound more like, you know... Lurking?

I think the swoop-say-depart is topgunning, no matter the reasons.  Usually it's in response to being called out.  If you do it before getting called out, I guess its the same action but for different reasons.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1877 on: April 20, 2013, 04:11:30 am »

So top gunning is actually lurking?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1878 on: April 20, 2013, 04:12:18 am »

Either way, I don't have much to say about that. I haven't really been super active this game.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1879 on: April 20, 2013, 05:23:46 am »

So top gunning is actually lurking?

Topgunning is how you cover for lurking.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1880 on: April 20, 2013, 10:09:24 am »

vote: archetype
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1881 on: April 20, 2013, 10:20:50 am »

eevee you are still voting for me. Do you still want to be voting for me?

ash you are still voting for Ozle. I think you said you are comfortable with your vote there. Why are you comfortable with your lynch there? I understand you think he is scummy, but do you think he is going to be lynched today?

Also no one answered my question from before:
If archetype flips town, how likely are you to vote for me tomorrow?  If Archetype flips scum this question is somewhat moot, and I expect him to flip scum, although I think the answers even if that comes to be would be useful to know.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1882 on: April 20, 2013, 10:21:21 am »

So top gunning is actually lurking?

Topgunning is how you cover for lurking.

do you think that arch'es behavior would also qualify as "topgunning?"
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1883 on: April 20, 2013, 10:23:31 am »

vote: archetype

Why did you leave the L-2 wagon to add a second vote to Arch?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1884 on: April 20, 2013, 10:24:08 am »

So top gunning is actually lurking?

Topgunning is how you cover for lurking.

do you think that arch'es behavior would also qualify as "topgunning?"

Arch has lurked so hard I can't even remember him buzzing the tower.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1885 on: April 20, 2013, 10:25:48 am »

eevee you are still voting for me. Do you still want to be voting for me?

ash you are still voting for Ozle. I think you said you are comfortable with your vote there. Why are you comfortable with your lynch there? I understand you think he is scummy, but do you think he is going to be lynched today?

Also no one answered my question from before:
If archetype flips town, how likely are you to vote for me tomorrow?  If Archetype flips scum this question is somewhat moot, and I expect him to flip scum, although I think the answers even if that comes to be would be useful to know.

I think Ozle is the likeliest to flip scum out of everyone.  That's why I'm voting for him still.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll get a lynch through, and he chose the perfect time to take a trip to ensure that.

I am willing to change my vote, but I don't like the current lynches because they really feel like easy mislynches for scum based on deadlines and such.

That said, I probably would have hammered Lekkit had he reached L-1.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1886 on: April 20, 2013, 10:26:27 am »


If archetype flips town, how likely are you to vote for me tomorrow?  If Archetype flips scum this question is somewhat moot, and I expect him to flip scum, although I think the answers even if that comes to be would be useful to know.

On this--Arch's flip will have no real bearing on how I view you.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1887 on: April 20, 2013, 10:36:00 am »

I have very limited access right now, can't get to a computer.

After reviewing yuma's case, I don't like the achetype lynch much. A lot of it is standard archetype play I think.

Don't know about Lekkit, I guess I don't actively oppose it but I'd rather go off the kooshie wagon.

Meh, I wish I could build proper cases but mcmc or Insomniac.

vote: mcmc
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1888 on: April 20, 2013, 10:50:19 am »

I have very limited access right now, can't get to a computer.

After reviewing yuma's case, I don't like the achetype lynch much. A lot of it is standard archetype play I think.

Don't know about Lekkit, I guess I don't actively oppose it but I'd rather go off the kooshie wagon.

Meh, I wish I could build proper cases but mcmc or Insomniac.

vote: mcmc

Good point about needing to go off-Kooshie-wagon.  We somehow got sidetracked away from that.  I prefer mcmc or Insom there.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1889 on: April 20, 2013, 10:54:20 am »

vote: archetype

Why did you leave the L-2 wagon to add a second vote to Arch?

because it wasn't a second vote... it was a fourth. Lekkit and mcmc have voted arch. I prefer arch over lekkit and I was hoping that you or eevee would join the arch wagon now that you are both online.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1890 on: April 20, 2013, 10:54:46 am »

I have very limited access right now, can't get to a computer.

After reviewing yuma's case, I don't like the achetype lynch much. A lot of it is standard archetype play I think.

Don't know about Lekkit, I guess I don't actively oppose it but I'd rather go off the kooshie wagon.

Meh, I wish I could build proper cases but mcmc or Insomniac.

vote: mcmc

I'll reread mcmc and build something now.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1891 on: April 20, 2013, 10:56:34 am »

I have very limited access right now, can't get to a computer.

After reviewing yuma's case, I don't like the achetype lynch much. A lot of it is standard archetype play I think.

Don't know about Lekkit, I guess I don't actively oppose it but I'd rather go off the kooshie wagon.

Meh, I wish I could build proper cases but mcmc or Insomniac.

vote: mcmc

Good point about needing to go off-Kooshie-wagon.  We somehow got sidetracked away from that.  I prefer mcmc or Insom there.

Arch is off wagon...
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1892 on: April 20, 2013, 11:39:50 am »

MCMC:

Out of everyone off the kooshie wagon I feel like mcmc was given the least amount of suspicion. Maybe include myself on that point--at least up until mid day three were a miniwagon formed on me--but mcmc has always beenn kinda suspicious, but I don't think there has ever been a true wagon on him.

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Day1: (32 posts)

 - about fourth post has a scum read on mail-mi. town on ash
 - votes mail-mi, thinks i am scummy for being dismissive
 - no longer has town read on ash due to "-telling"
 - talks alot about map claiming, is partially for it
 - expresses slight scum read on mail-mi and kooshie
 - supports sudgy vote, doesn't vote however (his vote is still on mail-mi)
 - defends lio a couple of times
 - continues to read mail-mi as scum, kinda tunneling if you ask me
 - says he isn't fine with a kooshie lynch

 Day2
 - starts off day2 for lurking, doesn't get nearly as called out for it as jimmmm does
 - quickly jumps on jimmm (Jimmm had 2 votes at this point)
 - says his case on mail-mi no longer exists because kooshie ended up turning scum and he thought that mail-mi was pushing two town mislynches
 - says he supports insom's case on sudgy
 - supposes sudgy could have accidentially bussed kooshie
 - at this point he receives votes from eevee and ashersky
 - votes for jimmm, 
 - says he doens't think sparky is scummy
 - really harps on jimmm for not responding or posting much
 - thinks mail-mi's slip was dumb, but not scummy
 - continues to really go at Jimmm
 - votes for ozle once the jimmm wagon dies off
 - maintains that he won't vote for insomniac
 - says he the case for jimm and insom is the same and would vote for either
 - goes back to voting jimmm
 - up in the air about mail-mi, doesn't like it, but thinks mail-mi is reacting suspiciously
 - says the people on mail-mi's wagon makes him worried? I don't get this, if you are town you shouldn't know people's alignment...
 
 day3 28 posts
 - starts out the day with map claiming stuff, gets really sidetracked by it
 - really weird behavior to start out the day with map claiming, kinda just talking to himself
 - gets one vote on him from eevee and is already a bit defensive?
 - keeps talking about theory even after he said he would stop?
 - finds arch and raerae and ash suspicious
 - gets super lurky (or VLA)
 - goes back to a jimmm vote
 - says he is willing to sheep me and vote arch


So I don't know. I mean, mcmc didn't really defend kooshie. But he did try very hard to steer the wagon away from her. Again, this is how I would expect scum to react to a wagon on their buddy day1. It is also how I would expect scum to build up a case on one player early (in this case mail-mi) and stick to it all day long.

His behavior day2 also is how I would expect scum to play. Stick to their guns and try to get a mislynch (again here assuming that jimmmm is actually town, which I am not sure about). Because scum needs to mislynch day2. After losing scum day1, scum can't afford to lose another player. And he pushed for Jimmm hard, harder than anyone else I think.

His reaction to the mail-mi wagon was also interesting in that he didn't like the case, but was ok seeing it go through.

Further more of interest is that only eevee, ash, yuma and insomniac have voted for him all game long.

I am still willing to go back to arch, but I think exploring this mcmc lynch is worthwhile. But if it doesn't pick up soon, we can't explore it too long... we need to end this day soon if we want to have any time for future days. I am guessing this game will run into 6 or 7+ days.

vote: mcmc
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1893 on: April 20, 2013, 11:42:22 am »

vote: mcmc

I can get behind this lynch; I found him scummy D2; yuma's recap is good.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1894 on: April 20, 2013, 11:47:26 am »

Hmm yuma's case is compelling. mcmc has read strange to me for a while now, but I've been considering that clumsy Town rather than scum. But now I must reconsider. Off to do a re-read.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1895 on: April 20, 2013, 11:56:50 am »

I'll be gone for the next, like 24 hours.

yuma, if Arche flips town, I would take that into consideration if you would have been around the next day. But I wouldn't really base my whole read on you off that.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1896 on: April 20, 2013, 11:57:35 am »

Thank you yuma.

Your summary matches my earlier impression. I support this lynch.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1897 on: April 20, 2013, 12:01:09 pm »

Yea noone has been voting for me because people found me scummy and raerae said I was kinda towny.

Also all this theory talk I had the beginning of the day, if you read it it is a terrible idea to lynch me, like seriously you would be doing scum a huuuuge favor.

I think D1 I was mistaken on kooshie and I wasn't around to fight against the lynch, I always feel like I messed up when a lynch goes through without my vote on it because it means I should have argued my point better.

As for day 2 oh man was everybody lurking like crazy, we didn't have enough people posting to lynch someone, I was on Jimm for so long because everyone posting said they liked the Jimm lynch then as the lurkers(ash,eevee,raerae,arch,lekkit,insom) slowly came back they all said no. Don't you all remember that, then because if that we ended up with a terrible lynch on mail-mi. Ash had a decent case built on ozzle in the middle there. So I maintain Jimm would have been a better lynch and find those who stopped it from happening suspicious.

One thing to note, check out what I have done as scum during time of very low posting, I am happy to let the game go on with noone posting, I make sure to post when I have to so I'm not lurking but I would never drive a wagon the way I did on Jimm. Not with that few posting.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1898 on: April 20, 2013, 12:04:28 pm »

Also because I am v/la please please please do not lynch me before I can reveal all the stuff I was talking about earlier.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 3)
« Reply #1899 on: April 20, 2013, 12:20:23 pm »

If archetype flips town, how likely are you to vote for me tomorrow?  If Archetype flips scum this question is somewhat moot, and I expect him to flip scum, although I think the answers even if that comes to be would be useful to know.

I agree with Ash, arch's flip has very little bearing in how I view you.
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