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[mail-mi]

I forgot that. Vote: archetype is fine for me then, I've been suspicious of sparky for a long time. I think I'd prefer Ozle though, not sure why we are giving up in that already.

I think I'll put him as a good lynch for tomorrow, I'll do a reread of him and the cases on him.

[mail-mi]

I forgot that. Vote: archetype is fine for me then, I've been suspicious of sparky for a long time. I think I'd prefer Ozle though, not sure why we are giving up in that already.

I think I'll put him as a good lynch for tomorrow, I'll do a reread of him and the cases on him.

Or today, if archetype doesn't happen.

[Jorbles]

This game is huge to reread, I might take awhile to get into it if I was replacing in. I missed a weekend of posts and I felt overwhelmed rereading. I sympathize with Lekkit and Archetype in this situation. That said if we don't have any other viable lynches I would be willing to vote for them just to move the game along. I don't like the case on Ozle so I wouldn't lynch him.

[yuma]

This game is huge to reread, I might take awhile to get into it if I was replacing in. I missed a weekend of posts and I felt overwhelmed rereading. I sympathize with Lekkit and Archetype in this situation. That said if we don't have any other viable lynches I would be willing to vote for them just to move the game along. I don't like the case on Ozle so I wouldn't lynch him.

I do understand that. I do. But as I have said before to Jimmmm in this game I think this line of thought is a fallacy and one I have falled into before. A reread doesn't need to take hours and hours. Really, just skimming for ~ 20 minutes and getting the main arguments should be enough, especially when there are people like mcmc and ash and others doing the grunt work and putting together solid cases. All it takes is to read those few posts, see what other people are saying about it and then go from there and give an opinion and especially at this stage a vote. That is if they are town. But I think often mafia uses RL to lurk behind. I certainly have done that. I know others have and use it as an excuse to do nothing in the game so they aren't accountable, but repeatedly show up and say, "I am here, but haven't reread yet, so I have nothing to offer."

[mail-mi]

This game is huge to reread, I might take awhile to get into it if I was replacing in. I missed a weekend of posts and I felt overwhelmed rereading. I sympathize with Lekkit and Archetype in this situation. That said if we don't have any other viable lynches I would be willing to vote for them just to move the game along. I don't like the case on Ozle so I wouldn't lynch him.

I do understand that. I do. But as I have said before to Jimmmm in this game I think this line of thought is a fallacy and one I have falled into before. A reread doesn't need to take hours and hours. Really, just skimming for ~ 20 minutes and getting the main arguments should be enough, especially when there are people like mcmc and ash and others doing the grunt work and putting together solid cases. All it takes is to read those few posts, see what other people are saying about it and then go from there and give an opinion and especially at this stage a vote. That is if they are town. But I think often mafia uses RL to lurk behind. I certainly have done that. I know others have and use it as an excuse to do nothing in the game so they aren't accountable, but repeatedly show up and say, "I am here, but haven't reread yet, so I have nothing to offer."

And the fact that hes had 5 days.

[sudgy]

Vote: Archetype.  I still want to lynch Ozle, but Archetype needs to post.

[liopoil]

wow, five votes in 2 1/2 hours...

I'd prefer a lekkit LALL, because he's been in the game longer and had a really scummy vote on kooshie, but then again, sparky was off wagon... He's a better lynch than ozle I think though, so I'll Vote: Archetype

L-2 now.

[Ozle]

Guys, just posted in VLA, am still reading here, but will be in short posts from mobile. Its payday at most peoples work and my work is linked to that payday so our busiest time, and then its my birthday this weekend (well actually tuesday, but who celebrates on a tuesday...)

[raerae]

Okay, to recap, because Ozle doesn't like the votes on him, and thinks the case sucks, here is my case (again), taking things only from my own posts.  These are things that I think seem scummy.  These are actual things Ozle did, not feelings I have or gut reads.

1.  Ozle attacked Liopoil on D1, and I think Liopoil is town.  He did this whilst defending Kooshie.
2.  Ozle tried to deflect the attention from the Kooshie case to Eevee, whilst defending Kooshie.  This happened early enough in D1 that it wasn't a scum desperation move, it was a scum calculated move.
3.  Ozle's "intent to hammer" post near the end of the day, with little reasoning.  <Note: I accept the scum points I get for the "agree with ozle's reasons" post right after it.>
4.  Ozle asked for everyone's spawning points on D2 (well, asked if anyone spawned in a hallway, and got some "no" responses before that got shut down).
5.  Ozle continuously asked me to give my reasons for finding Jimmmmm towny, even though I had given them multiple times.
6.  Ozle used the "artificially inflating his post count" argument in his case against me.

I like an Ozle lynch for the case yuma outlined above but also for his (Ozle's) defense of the cases against him that have sounded a lot like, "You caught me but not for the right reason!"

I can't participate in a lurker lynch, guys.  It just isn't logical.  I still like a mail-mi lynch but did not realize he was v/la so will give him some slack to provide some content. 

Vote: Ozle

[raerae]

And can we get a real-live vote count, please?

[ashersky]

Okay, to recap, because Ozle doesn't like the votes on him, and thinks the case sucks, here is my case (again), taking things only from my own posts.  These are things that I think seem scummy.  These are actual things Ozle did, not feelings I have or gut reads.

1.  Ozle attacked Liopoil on D1, and I think Liopoil is town.  He did this whilst defending Kooshie.
2.  Ozle tried to deflect the attention from the Kooshie case to Eevee, whilst defending Kooshie.  This happened early enough in D1 that it wasn't a scum desperation move, it was a scum calculated move.
3.  Ozle's "intent to hammer" post near the end of the day, with little reasoning.  <Note: I accept the scum points I get for the "agree with ozle's reasons" post right after it.>
4.  Ozle asked for everyone's spawning points on D2 (well, asked if anyone spawned in a hallway, and got some "no" responses before that got shut down).
5.  Ozle continuously asked me to give my reasons for finding Jimmmmm towny, even though I had given them multiple times.
6.  Ozle used the "artificially inflating his post count" argument in his case against me.

I like an Ozle lynch for the case yuma outlined above but also for his (Ozle's) defense of the cases against him that have sounded a lot like, "You caught me but not for the right reason!"

I can't participate in a lurker lynch, guys.  It just isn't logical.  I still like a mail-mi lynch but did not realize he was v/la so will give him some slack to provide some content. 

Vote: Ozle

I won't be switching, either.

[Robz888]

And can we get a real-live vote count, please?

You had one 20 posts ago!

[mcmcsalot]

And can we get a real-live vote count, please?

You had one 20 posts ago!

7 votes ago...

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.12

sudgy (2) -- Insomniac, Jorbles
Ozle (3) -- ashersky, mcmcsalot, raerae
ashersky (1) -- Ozle
Archetype (6) -- yuma, Jimm, mail-mi, Eevee, sudgy, liopoil {L-2}

Not Voting (2) -- Archetype, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 25 days left.

[mcmcsalot]

I lynch arch, I want this day to be over. But I seriously worried that the Jimm lynch was derailed by scum, ozzle lynch got traction for real scummy behavior but was slow because of lurkers, but now were quick to lynch arch for lurking. I had a much townie read on sparky then I did on Jimm.
Jimm and eevee are the two who weren't on Jimm wagon but are on arch, I don't want to lynch eevee today, and Jimm sorta has a good reason for not being on the Jimm wagon. I guess that makes me more comfortable with the arch lynch. Liopoil continues to look scummy to me but I think that means he's town. We have very different styles, in ds9 I was sure he was scum, in newbie mafia I disagreed with a lot of his play choices(though he did great in both those games)

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.12

sudgy (2) -- Insomniac, Jorbles
Ozle (3) -- ashersky, mcmcsalot, raerae
ashersky (1) -- Ozle
Archetype (6) -- yuma, Jimm, mail-mi, Eevee, sudgy, liopoil {L-2}

Not Voting (2) -- Archetype, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 25 days left.

raerae is on Ozle now.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.12

sudgy (2) -- Insomniac, Jorbles
Ozle (3) -- ashersky, mcmcsalot, raerae
ashersky (1) -- Ozle
Archetype (6) -- yuma, Jimm, mail-mi, Eevee, sudgy, liopoil {L-2}

Not Voting (2) -- Archetype, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 25 days left.

raerae is on Ozle now.

Nevermind, I read that backwards.

[ashersky]

I lynch arch, I want this day to be over. But I seriously worried that the Jimm lynch was derailed by scum, ozzle lynch got traction for real scummy behavior but was slow because of lurkers, but now were quick to lynch arch for lurking. I had a much townie read on sparky then I did on Jimm.
Jimm and eevee are the two who weren't on Jimm wagon but are on arch, I don't want to lynch eevee today, and Jimm sorta has a good reason for not being on the Jimm wagon. I guess that makes me more comfortable with the arch lynch. Liopoil continues to look scummy to me but I think that means he's town. We have very different styles, in ds9 I was sure he was scum, in newbie mafia I disagreed with a lot of his play choices(though he did great in both those games)

I think yuma, Eevee, and at least one other said they'd switch back to Ozle if needed.

[Archetype]

Holy crap, L-2. Sheesh.

Yeah, I'm here. Still on page 20 of the reread. I promise I'll have it done by tomorrow.

[mcmcsalot]

So Jimm, liopoil, mail-mi, you weren't on ozzle wagon and would be enough to lynch him, how do you feel about that. I just thought I disappeared without getting everyone's opinion

[Jorbles]

I lynch arch, I want this day to be over. But I seriously worried that the Jimm lynch was derailed by scum, ozzle lynch got traction for real scummy behavior but was slow because of lurkers, but now were quick to lynch arch for lurking. I had a much townie read on sparky then I did on Jimm.
Jimm and eevee are the two who weren't on Jimm wagon but are on arch, I don't want to lynch eevee today, and Jimm sorta has a good reason for not being on the Jimm wagon. I guess that makes me more comfortable with the arch lynch. Liopoil continues to look scummy to me but I think that means he's town. We have very different styles, in ds9 I was sure he was scum, in newbie mafia I disagreed with a lot of his play choices(though he did great in both those games)

I agree with all of this. I really think Jimmmm is the scummiest player we have. I don't remember thinking sparky was particularly scummy, but I'd lynch him/Arch as a policy lynch if we can't get any other agreement. Before we do that though, can we not get behind a Jimmmm lynch. Vote: Jimmmmm

PPE: Oh good Arch is here.

[ashersky]

Holy crap, L-2. Sheesh.

Yeah, I'm here. Still on page 20 of the reread. I promise I'll have it done by tomorrow.

I'd say skim at this point.  Folks are out for your blood.

[mcmcsalot]

Did you miss my week of trying to get Jimm lynched...it didn't work. We can get him to l-1 but eevee, raerae, ash, insom, arch won't vote for him. Well arch hasn't said

[Jorbles]

Did you miss my week of trying to get Jimm lynched...it didn't work. We can get him to l-1 but eevee, raerae, ash, insom, arch won't vote for him. Well arch hasn't said

Well I missed part of it. Sometimes people change their minds though?

[sudgy]

I'm the last person that will vote for Ozle if needed.