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[yuma]

I had been getting kind of suspicious of yuma anyway at that point.  And that was a better case than most in this game, and you said it was a horrible case.  That just confirms my vote a bit more.

but again I ask: is this "case" more worthwhile than the obvious relationships that have been established between kooshie and mcmc/jimmm?

[Eevee]

Raerae CLEARING mcmc is just utterly ridiculous. Sorry, but it is. I can see "I feel I should trust raeraes's read and not vote for him" maybe, but clearing is SUCH a strong word. Just wow.

FoS: Yuma

He's too good to trust, was off-wagon, and has been pushing an off-wagon lynch in a pro-town way.  He's successfully deflected any attention away from him by driving the convo.  See MnM for textbook Yuma scum.

I don't think you can FoS yuma for playing in a pro town way. So unfair. Yeah, he is one of the very few guys who are capable of playing this type of a game as scum, but still. Playing in a (seemingly) pro-town way and well simply CAN NOT make him more scummy!! Unless you claim he (seemingly) plays town better as scum?

Fwiw, I think Ozle is more likely to flip scum than Jimmm. Wouldn't mind that lynch, would mind a yuma lynch unless given some real reasons and not just that "he seems helpful and is good at playing scum -> is scum here". People, he is a good player who has drawn scum a lot recently. Not like he has a record of being useless as town or anything like that.

[Eevee]

FoS: Yuma

He's too good to trust, was off-wagon, and has been pushing an off-wagon lynch in a pro-town way.  He's successfully deflected any attention away from him by driving the convo.  See MnM for textbook Yuma scum.

[Eevee]

Sorry, the second post was not intentional.

[ashersky]

I think an Ozle lynch has merit.  Ozle is more likely to flip scum than Yuma, I'd say.  I mean, my case on Yuma had a lot to do with how I think he was letting scummy Ozle slide, so I should consider that Ozle should be lynched.

[ashersky]

I had been getting kind of suspicious of yuma anyway at that point.  And that was a better case than most in this game, and you said it was a horrible case.  That just confirms my vote a bit more.

but again I ask: is this "case" more worthwhile than the obvious relationships that have been established between kooshie and mcmc/jimmm?

I don't really see Jimmmmm and Kooshie tied like I do mcmc and her.

Ozle has been actively scummier, where jimmmmm has be more lurky.

Lynch pref now:

Ozle >>> Yuma >>> Jorbles >>> mcmc

Vote: Ozle

[Eevee]

Vote: Ozle my precious vote is doing almost nothing at mcmc atm.

[mail-mi]

Well that's a convincing yumas-not-scum case. Unvote

[mcmcsalot]

Okay for one, I can't wait for this game to be over and everyone to know that raerae is in fact correct once again.

Second I am absolutely furious at this game. Jimm and insom if you are town I am furious with you you have done nothing the entire game as when you do post you are so anti town it's ridiculous.
Jimm: said he would reread, STILL NEVER HAS, he had time to argue with ozzle but cannot bother to read along with the game and post a productive comment on anyone. Everyone un voting him because he is being towny is insane.
Insom: you have also posted nothing and when you do frankly you just correct other people with somewhat of an attitude.
I hope the two of you are scum and just fooling town into unvoting, if so bravo. If your town start contributing, if you are busy that is absolutely fine, but when you DO post, be helpful.

This is the thing most people are reducing my argument on Jimm to "he's not posting enough" it's not. It's that he isn't posting often so he's at a position where he isn't helping town all that much and main point, WHEN HE DOES POST, all he does is say sorry ill keep reread soon, and then says nothing. He has made a few comments about matters not involving scum hunting, map claiming ect.

[liopoil]

Okay, no. I think the cases on ozle and yuma are really terrible... they've been way more pro-town than lots of other's. I'm going back to Vote: Jimmmmm for now

[mail-mi]

My lunch preferences (in no particular order)

Ham, turkey, roast beef Jimmmm, ozle, insom,

[sudgy]

Alright, Vote: Ozle (jk, just doing this to pretend to sheep again).

[yuma]

Unofficial count

Jimm (5) -- Ozle, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, yuma, liopoil {L-3}
sudgy (1) -- Insomniac
yuma (1) -- sudgy
Ozle (2) -- ashersky, Eevee

Not Voting (5) -- sparky5856, Jimm, Lekkit, raerae, liopoil

[yuma]

Well that's a convincing yumas-not-scum case. Unvote

Did you think you were voting for me? Because you weren't. You just unvoted an unvote.... That is weird.

[Eevee]

Well that's a convincing yumas-not-scum case. Unvote

Did you think you were voting for me? Because you weren't. You just unvoted an unvote.... That is weird.

Maybe I'm naive but I also think it's towny. Scum is usually self-conscious and aware of where their vote lies.

[yuma]

So let's just be completely honest... we probably aren't going to reach a consensus with 5+ people not voting... I am looking at you (raerae, Lekkit, sparky). Right now we have ~ 6 players moving the game along and shifting their votes trying to find a consensus and a good lynch, but it just won't be possible until we get other players to play with us.

[sudgy]

Alright, let's try this again: everybody say who they would be willing to vote for.  I'm not sure about myself, I have a fair amount of people.  Jimmmmm, Insomniac, yuma, and ozle to name the biggest ones.

[mail-mi]

Well that's a convincing yumas-not-scum case. Unvote

Did you think you were voting for me? Because you weren't. You just unvoted an unvote.... That is weird.

I'm not not voting. Draw your own conclusions.

Yeah, I thought I was voting for you. Oopsies.

[ashersky]

Well that's a convincing yumas-not-scum case. Unvote

Are you referring to yuma's defense of himself? 

[ashersky]

So let's just be completely honest... we probably aren't going to reach a consensus with 5+ people not voting... I am looking at you (raerae, Lekkit, sparky). Right now we have ~ 6 players moving the game along and shifting their votes trying to find a consensus and a good lynch, but it just won't be possible until we get other players to play with us.

Agreed.  This is an issue that often leads to a convenient mislynch to move the game forward, and why we like to say lurkers are scum.

[Ozle]

--On Ozle, you just proved my point.  YOU said YOU will only focus off-wagon.  Where was Ozle?  OFFFRICKINGWAGONARGH.  So you make a big show of searching off wagon but give scummish Ozle a pass.  And "intent to hammer/disappear without voting/act indignant that someone else hammered" does not make you town OR honorarily on-wagon.  It makes you scummy for setting yourself up to have an excuse to not hammer your teammate but still claim towniness points for having been willing to hammer.  So you 100% ignoring Ozle is scummy, a reason for my vote, and confirmed by you in your response.

Most ludacris thing ever Not quite I suppose

What would you rather have me do, vote straight away and quickhammer?
I stated my intent to vote, then waited for Kooshie to respond. I did NOT dissapear, as you can see from when I posted my indignation about Xeiron

What you have people do next time at L-1, just hammer without saying anything?

So your reasons to push a vote on me are what exactly:
That I was off wagon, sure, can agree with that
And that I am disagreeing with you

So basically im scummy because I didnt quickhammer right?



Ok, Asherskys case against me.....
....................*looks at voting post and before*
Is there one?
Nope


Eevees case against me.....
................*looks at voting post and before*
Is there one?
Nope


No one find that a little bit suspicious?
Funny that these two were on my 'would vote for ' earlier in the day...

[Ozle]

To clarify, because I assume someone will take that the wrong way, the thing I am saying is untrue there is that i stated vote to intent and then dissapeared, I did no such thing. I sat around the forums waiting for Kooshie to respond.

As can bee seen from the timestamps
My intent
Xeirons hammer 13 minutes later
My response to Xeirons hammer came 3 minutes later.

So unless you are accusing me of dissapearing for 16 whole minutes, thats demonstratably wrong.


Also, there is a statement in there again that I am scummy, without absolute no actual reason for that scumminess provided.

[ashersky]

Indignant Ozle is my favorite Ozle.

[ashersky]

To clarify, because I assume someone will take that the wrong way, the thing I am saying is untrue there is that i stated vote to intent and then dissapeared, I did no such thing. I sat around the forums waiting for Kooshie to respond.

As can bee seen from the timestamps
My intent
Xeirons hammer 13 minutes later
My response to Xeirons hammer came 3 minutes later.

So unless you are accusing me of dissapearing for 16 whole minutes, thats demonstratably wrong.


Also, there is a statement in there again that I am scummy, without absolute no actual reason for that scumminess provided.

Ok, fair to say you did not disappear.  Still, you don't get to be on-wagon because X stole your hammer.  You were off-wagon.  OFF.  Not on.  Scum was lynched, and not by you.  That is suspect.

[Eevee]

Ozle, my suspicion stems from you caring that much if you look scummy or not and from you seeming eagerness to assign blame left and right, sometimes for pretty flimsy reasons.

You are also just a little too polished. You usually haven't been. I think I change in
behavior could very well be because you want to play the perfect scum game.

I think lists of five make it very easy for scum.