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[Insomniac]

ins, do you then disagree with robz in that lurking is what I'd do as scum?

With Robz?

I think you'd lurk as scum or be active as scum, I don't think you have a set meta for how you play scum.

[Eevee]

ins, do you then disagree with robz in that lurking is what I'd do as scum?

With Robz?

I think you'd lurk as scum or be active as scum, I don't think you have a set meta for how you play scum.

Robz thinks I wouldn't lurk as scum (I think he is right), ozle apparwntly thinks everyone knows I lurk as scum. Well, I don't think I'll prove my towniness with this particular self-meta argument either way.

I think what Lekkit is saying about kooshie makes sense too.

[Ozle]

ins, do you then disagree with robz in that lurking is what I'd do as scum?

With Robz?

I think you'd lurk as scum or be active as scum, I don't think you have a set meta for how you play scum.

Robz thinks I wouldn't lurk as scum (I think he is right), ozle apparwntly thinks everyone knows I lurk as scum. Well, I don't think I'll prove my towniness with this particular self-meta argument either way.

I think what Lekkit is saying about kooshie makes sense too.

Lekkit is just sheeping Lipoli though. And you are sheeping Lekkit.

The case is not strong.
One of the arguments is that kooshie has been busy defending, well thats a plus point in my book! When people are accused before they have hardly said anything they SHOULD post a defense to those things if they are town to help shift the attention on someone who might not be town!

Lekkit says that Kooshie has not posted any thing of substance, well the same applies to you Lekkit, I dont remember anything of substance you have said this game apart from agree with Lipoli.
You may have said something, but none of it has stuck in my mind.

I* think Lipoli is more wrong than scummy, the only thing that lipoli has done that is scummy is get unnecessarily worried about the Insomniac lynch, and that only becomes scummy if Insomniac is scummy.[

Robz thinks I wouldn't lurk as scum (I think he is right), ozle apparwntly thinks everyone knows I lurk as scum. Well, I don't think I'll prove my towniness with this particular self-meta argument either way.

ok, this has even more convinced me that Eevee is dodgy. You know you have lurked as scum, you actively toned down your activity as scum in my last game. I know you dont actively post as much as scum, and more importantly you know that I know that,

Good Enough for me to keep my vote on Eevee to be honest! Its not a massive thing, but its better than nothing at the moment.

Its day 1, im not adverse to lynching anyone to be honest, but I REALLY dislike people claiming they have good or strong cases based on such flimsy flimsy stuff.

Actually I take that back, I dont want to lynch Sudgy because he knows where a gold key is, and if he can buy that somehow then we will know he is town AND have cheaper access to Gold Rooms. Of course he might be scum, but its a null read on that for him, so the fact he may get us good stuff later makes him less of a good lynch candidate than anyone else.

[Jorbles]

@Ozle: I've never seen scum propose a scum-pair day 1. Have you?

All the more reason for scum to do it? It's not really much of a defense. (Note I still think liopoil is town, but I don't think this is a good road to follow.)

[Jorbles]

ins, do you then disagree with robz in that lurking is what I'd do as scum?

With Robz?

I think you'd lurk as scum or be active as scum, I don't think you have a set meta for how you play scum.

I want Insomniac to contribute more. I am as happy with an Insomniac lynch at this point as a Kooshie lynch.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 1.8

mail-mi (1) -- mcmcsalot
liopoil (3)  -- yuma, raerae, ashersky
ashersky (1) -- Lekkit
raerae (1) -- Jimm
Kooshie (4) -- liopoil, Eevee, Jorbles, sudgy
sudgy (1) -- Insomniac
Eevee (1) -- Ozle
No Lynch (1) -- xeiron

Not Voting (3) -- sparky5856, Kooshie, mail-mi

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is April 26th at 7:00 PM.

[Lekkit]

@Oze: The only opinion Kooshie has offered on any other player is that she thinks lio is probably town. That's not much to go on. That's not really how you help town. You help town by expressing your reads, not telling town that you will reread, and then stay silent about it. And after that she talks about setting asoft deadline on wednesday. That's tomorrow. And she hasn't really helped anything.

I don't really agree with you about the defensive part. It's good to defend yourself, but if it's the only thing you do, it's not.

Actually, Vote: Kooshie

@Jorbles: I don't know how experienced lio is, but I haven't seen him around much earlier. That's a pretty fds meta intense bluff to pull. And if you haven't been around for a long time you wouldn't do that as scum. I think it's genuine.

[liopoil]

Hold it, when did I suggest a scumteam? I also do not think that suggesting a scumteam D1 is particularly towny. I mentioned scumteams a couple times in another dinner party as scum. I think it's silly to talk about scum teams until at least one scum is dead in this game.

[liopoil]

are you perhaps reffering to when I mentioned mail-mi and sudgy doing things at the same time? I think that's a bit too obvious if they were a scumteam. I actually think it's more likely that mail-mi is scum and sudgy town because mail-mi always does it second. seems like buddying or something.

[Eevee]

Hold it, when did I suggest a scumteam? I also do not think that suggesting a scumteam D1 is particularly towny. I mentioned scumteams a couple times in another dinner party as scum. I think it's silly to talk about scum teams until at least one scum is dead in this game.

I actually think calling scum teams early is towny kind of silly and stupid.

[mcmcsalot]

I think mail-mi is scum! So do alot of people I feel just no votes? Not a whole lot is going on I feel.

[mcmcsalot]

Hold it, when did I suggest a scumteam? I also do not think that suggesting a scumteam D1 is particularly towny. I mentioned scumteams a couple times in another dinner party as scum. I think it's silly to talk about scum teams until at least one scum is dead in this game.

I actually think calling scum teams early is towny kind of silly and stupid.

I call scum teams ALLLL the time, regardless of alignment. It is how I think and when I am scum I just pretend I'm town and go on my way.

[mail-mi]

Well, I'm not, so there's that.

And, Kooshie has been kinda actilurking, which is probably worse than just lurking period, but its not enough at this stage to put my vote on her.

[liopoil]

mail-mi is my second choice for a lynch right now. He isn't lurking though, kooshie is. D1 lurking is particularly scummy, and LALL in general is a good idea. It gets much harder to lynch lurkers in later days, so it is better to do it early.

actilurking, if I understand the term right, is when you lurk on purpose? There is no reason for town to ever intentionally lurk. There are reasons for scum to lurk. I think it's always a huge scum tell throughout the whole game. Other cases aren't as strong D1.

[mail-mi]

actilurking, if I understand the term right, is when you lurk on purpose? There is no reason for town to ever intentionally lurk. There are reasons for scum to lurk. I think it's always a huge scum tell throughout the whole game. Other cases aren't as strong D1.

I thought it was when you're posting (just high enough so you don't look bad on the post counts) but your posts don't give any information. That's what i thought actilurking meant. Or is it contentlurking?

[Eevee]

I'd define actilurking as being active as in there to answer easy theory questions or stuff like that, but still not posting any content. Basically someone with a high post count and but low participation.

[liopoil]

that might be what it is. That's just as bad though. why would town withold reads/content, and worry about being low on post counts?

[Eevee]

that might be what it is. That's just as bad though. why would town withold reads/content, and worry about being low on post counts?

Intentionally not posting is obviously scummy (or a power role trying to not look too towny, but meh).

Again though, people have stuff to do outside these games. It is very hard to play catch up if you don't have a lot of time.

[liopoil]

of course. that's why just lurking isn't incredibly scummy. But doing it on purpose is obvscum.

[Kooshie]

So many people!  I get them confused when I try to put into words what I think of them, but I'll try my best on who I can call to mind.  Maybe do a few rereads, even.

Jimm: Contributing, giving opinions, no reads, really, but otherwise very towny.  Actually, not many people have put in reads.  So, Lekkit, why point at me?
Raerae: Not much of a read, kinda towny.  Is Jimm's vote still on her?  I can't remember the reason.  At one point he voted her just because she said not to, if they were voting because of lurking.
Ashersky: Right now all I can think of is his tells.  He's pretty much stopped doing that, but it might take a little before something more solid enters my mind.
Liopoil: ahhh, him.  Don't like how he's tunneling and won't say for a second that I might possibly be town.  How can he be so sure?  Oh, yeah, if I get lynched and flip town, he's in a teensy bit of trouble.  He seems surer than he should be, though.
Jorbles: town vibes, but a bit of sheeping might have been in there.  Nothing serious, though.
Mail-mi: Sheeeeeeeeeeeepy.
Lekkit: also rather sheeping liopoil.  When he said he like liopoil's case on me and defended it, he still didn't vote for me.  He did soon after, but why not then?

[Jorbles]

Was just looking at the vote count and wanted to ask this:

@xeiron, do you still think we should be no lynching? No one else seems to. Even if you really really believe it's the best idea, you should be willing to admit that no one else does.

[Kooshie]

Yeah, I said the soft deadline should be tomorrow.  That isn't really going to work, is it?  Wednesday or Thursday, I guess.  Hopefully we can come to a lynch by then.

[liopoil]

nono, soft deadline is tommorow at 8. we should try to meet it.

[mail-mi]

I'm fine with a LALL vote: kooshie

[ashersky]

vote: kooshie

That's 7 and L-2.  Good time for increased activity, I say.