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Veto Quiz #1
« on: February 19, 2013, 04:08:22 pm »
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Courtyard, Fairgrounds, Fishing Village, Great Hall, Loan, Mandarin, Pearl Diver, Peddler, Pirate Ship, Trader, Woodcutter, and Worker's Village.

P1 Veto's Loan

As second player, against a player of the same level, what would you veto and why?
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2013, 04:13:36 pm »
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I would veto Worker's Village.

If I veto Peddler, it looks like a boring set-up (I'm putting about as much thought into this as I would a real veto vote), and if I don't veto Worker's Village, that will become a key card in a race for buys. A race to Peddler would be pretty uninteresting, but if one of us is going Peddler and the other trying something else, that could be interesting. So vetoing WV makes the game less prone to luck and more interesting anyway.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2013, 04:14:49 pm »
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Peddler.  WV/Peddler is nasty, and P2 is at a big disadvantage.  Adding FV and GH to the mix doesn't help, and Mandarin makes it easier to line up multiple actions.  Courtyard for draw.

I'd be tempted to open FV/WV here, or WV/CY, if all eleven were on the board.  Peddler is too big to ignore.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2013, 04:17:06 pm »
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You would have to veto either WV or Peddler here because winning the split is dependent completely on luck.

Personally I would veto Peddler.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2013, 04:18:30 pm by dondon151 »
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 04:21:53 pm »
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Personally Trader is one of my favorite cards and I always overuse it, but I'd still veto Pirate Ship simply because its a good Trader counter...
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 04:23:58 pm »
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I'd veto Pirate Ship because if he vetoes Loan it makes me think he's trying to feed off of my lack of trashing. Also I hate that card.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 04:31:23 pm »
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I would probably veto Worker's Village. That and Peddler is just nasty for player 2 as others have already stated. Still, having Peddler, a village and a +buy (even a weak one with Woodcutter) leaves the Peddler route open. It also opens the board up for mistakes to try and exploit tactically along the way making the game more fun, even if I lose.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2013, 04:43:03 pm »
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As one who likes to keep the board as interesting as possible, the only possible answer is Pearl Diver (GH for honorable mention)
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2013, 04:48:21 pm »
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I should probably add that the opponent vetoing Loan does open the way a bit more for a Treasure-oriented strategy with Courtyard and Trader. However, there isn't any single veto that would make this strategy a winner at first glance. If you veto Worker's Village or Peddler, your opponent can play an engine and still have an entire stack of Fairgrounds with which to try to play catch-up. If you veto Fairgrounds, your opponent might just monopolize WV + Peddler and beat you out with just Provinces and Duchies.

There's also Pirate Ship to worry about, though without Loan trashing, I suspect that Trader should be able to replenish the deck with Silver faster than Pirate Ship can take it away, unless the opponent goes very heavy on the Pirate Ships.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2013, 04:52:58 pm »
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Pirate Ship. It is the card that I would least likely buy in this kingdom and there is no Lighthouse.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2013, 05:46:49 pm »
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Great Hall. You didn't see that coming, did you? ;)
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2013, 05:51:07 pm »
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Workers village. ...not for the reasons you think. I veto random and so I checked a random number generator and it told me to veto the 6th option. True story.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2013, 06:14:56 pm »
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Pirate Ship because I HATE it.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2013, 06:18:24 pm »
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I don't think it really matters, I'm much better than other players of equal skill to me.

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What?

Probably Fairgrounds. It's a card I'm not good at using.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2013, 06:29:37 pm »
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Maybe some stats would be nice for this?  What cards favor P1 the most?
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2013, 07:18:52 pm »
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Peddle or Worker's Village for their interaction. Peddler over WV because FV is there making WV less likely to be bought anyway.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2013, 11:02:21 pm »
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Veto random! All the time, all the way!
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2013, 11:24:23 pm »
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I'm amused by the number of people electing to veto Pirate Ship.  If your opponent goes after Pirate Ship while WV/FV/Peddler is on the board, you thank him/her for clearing out your Copper for you, and use the cash from Peddler and FV since you'll be cycling your deck every turn.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2013, 11:28:32 pm »
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Definitely Fairgrounds.  It makes it too obvious of an engine board, and engine only board favors P1 too much.  Having an option of BM or Engine at least allows you as P2 to try something.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2013, 12:09:45 am »
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 Leaving worker's village and peddler is suicidal for player 2. Fishing village plus woodcutter is a poor man's wv, so peddler is the better veto. I don't see any other perspective.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2013, 01:31:15 am »
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I don't see how it can't be peddler or wv. But vetoing wv still
gives a viable peddler play: woodcutter and fv and great halls and pearl divers.

However, I think you are getting at a trick question.
If P1 was going to go peddler, why would he veto loan? Loan/wv is a great open to go into peddlers and pretty dominant for p1.

So the question is "why did P1 veto loan?"

Maybe P1 is a weak engine player? Also doesn't make sense. Then he should veto Fairgrounds.

So I'm at a loss.

P1 should have veto'd something useless like great hall. Or he should use veto'd fairgrounds - to Majorca shorter game to increase his relative advantage.

I don't understand the Loan choice at all.

Given I don't, I would go with the safe choice and kill Peddler.

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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2013, 01:39:42 am »
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I'm amused by the number of people electing to veto Pirate Ship.  If your opponent goes after Pirate Ship while WV/FV/Peddler is on the board, you thank him/her for clearing out your Copper for you, and use the cash from Peddler and FV since you'll be cycling your deck every turn.

Well, vetoing doesn't have to be a strategic decision. Some people just don't like pirate ship.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2013, 01:58:22 am »
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I'm amused by the number of people electing to veto Pirate Ship.  If your opponent goes after Pirate Ship while WV/FV/Peddler is on the board, you thank him/her for clearing out your Copper for you, and use the cash from Peddler and FV since you'll be cycling your deck every turn.

Yeah, and Mandarin and Woodcutter give +coin too. I would veto Peddler b/c I suck at that card.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2013, 03:06:17 am »
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I would veto Scout.
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Re: Veto Quiz #1
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2013, 03:13:10 am »
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It depends on the player I was against for me.

If I felt I was going against a much stronger player, I'd probably veto Fairgrounds.
Against a weaker player I would go FV of WV as they seem to play themself
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