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[Davio]

Yeah you're right, I must have overlooked the cost. Guess he has to discard for 3 coins then.

Yup, them's the rules.

[eHalcyon]

As always, please check for mistakes.  And send your hands if you haven't!

Qvist builds his third wonder stage.
Davio builds the Spies Guild.
Tables builds the Slave Market, getting $4.
Insomniac discards for $3.
Galzria builds Arena, getting $9.
Mith builds Guild of Shadows (via Ramses).
eHalcyon builds Gamers Guild.
Watno builds Arsenal, paying $2 to eHalcyon for Ore and Wood.

Qvist as the Mausoleum of Halikarnassos (A)
Coins: 3
Debt: 1
Strength: 6
Military Tokens: -none-, Total: 0 VP

Wonder stages built: 3

(1) 3 VPs. Cost: 2 Brick
(2) Look through the discard pile and build a card for free. Cost: 3 Ore
(3) 7 VPs. Cost: 2 Cloth

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Cloth
Loom: Produce Cloth
Mine: Produce Ore/Stone
Ore Vein: Produce Ore
Brickyard: Produce 2 Brick

Caravansery: Produce Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood. Chain from: Marketplace. Chain to: Lighthouse.

Gambling Den: 6 Coins. Each neighbour gets 1 coin.
Clandestine Dock West: Once per turn, pay one less coin to buy resources from your left (Watno).

Altar: 2 VPs. Chain to: Temple.

Stockade: 1 Shield.
Walls: 2 Shields.  Chain to: Fortifications.
Fortifications: 3 Shields. Chain from: Walls.

Nero: Gain 2 coins for each victory token you earn.
Cleopatra: 5 VPs.


Davio as the Al-Khazneh of Petra (B)
Coins: 17
Debt: 0
Strength: 0
Military Tokens: 4x -1, Total: -4 VP

Wonder stages built: 2
(1) 3 VPs, everyone elses loses 2 coins. Cost: 2 Brick, 2 Ore
(2) 14 VPs. Cost: 14 Coins

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Brick
Tree Farm: Produce Wood/Brick
Stone Pit: Produce Stone

Marketplace: Manufactured Goods cost 1 to buy from both sides
East Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the right (Tables). Chain to: Forum.
West Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the left (Qvist). Chain to: Forum.
Caravansery: Produce Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood. Chain from: Marketplace. Chain to: Lighthouse.
Forum: Produce Cloth/Glass/Paper. Chain from: West/East Trading Post.
Bazaar: 2 Coins per gray card in yours+neighbours cities.
Lighthouse: 1 Coin & 1 VP per yellow card (including this). Chain from: Caravansery.

Clandestine Dock East: Once per turn, pay one less coin to buy resources from your right (Tables).

Aqueduct: 5 VPs. Chain from: Baths.
Courthouse: 4VPs.  Chain from: Scriptorium.

Spies Guild: 1 VP per red card in each of your neighbours cities.

Xenophon: Gain 2 coins for each yellow card you play.
Phidias: 1 VP per brown card.


Tables as the Colossus of Rhodes (B)
Coins: 19
Debt: 0
Strength: 5
Military Tokens: 2x +1, 2x +3, Total: 8 VP

Wonder stages built: 1
(1) 1 Shield, 3 VPs, 3 Coins. Cost: 3 Stone
(2) 1 Shield, 4 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: 4 Ore

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Ore
Forest Cave: Produce Wood/Ore.
Excavation: Produce Stone/Brick.
Stone Pit: Produce Stone
Foundry: Produce 2 Ore
Secret Warehouse: Produce any one resource that you already produce.

Forum: Produce Cloth/Glass/Paper. Chain from: West/East Trading Post. Chain to: Haven.

Gambling House:  9 Coins. Each neighbour gets 2 coins.
Capitol: 8 VPs.
Slave Market: 1 Coin & 1 VP per victory token.

Statue: 4 VPs. Chain from: Theater. Chain to: Gardens.

Guard Tower: 1 Shield. Cost: Brick.
Stables: 2 Shields. Chain from: Apothecary.
Hannibal: 1 Shield.
Zenobia: 3 VPs.


Insomniac as the Temple of Artemis at Ephesos (B)
Coins: 6
Debt: 0
Strength: 0
Military Tokens: 4x -1, Total: -4 VP

Wonder stages built: 3
(1) 2 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: 2 Stone
(2) 3 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: 2 Wood
(3) 5 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: Papyrus, Cloth, Glass

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Papyrus
Glassworks: Produce Glass
Loom: Produce Cloth
Lumber Yard: Produce Wood

Tavern: 5 Coins.
Bazaar: 2 Coins per gray card in yours+neighbours cities.

Baths: 3 VPs. Chain to: Aqueduct.

School: Tablet. Chain to: Academy & Study.
Dispensary: Compasses. Chain from: Apothecary. Chain to: Arena & Lodge.
Workshop: Gear. Chain to: Archery Range & Laboratory.
University: Tablet. Chain from: Library.

Aristotle: 3 VPs per science set.
Euclid: Compass.
Solomon: Look through the discard pile and build a card for free.


Galzria as the Lighthouse of Alexandria (B)
Coins: 10
Debt: 2
Strength: 5
Military Tokens: 2x +1, 2x +3, Total: 8 VP

Wonder stages built: 3
(1) Produce one raw material. Cost: 2 Brick
(2) Produce one manufactured good. Cost: 2 Wood
(3) 7 VPs. Cost: 3 Stone

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Glass
Wonder Stage 1: Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood
Wonder Stage 2: Cloth/Glass/Paper
Loom: Produce Cloth
Quarry: Produce two Stone.

Tavern: 5 Coins
Arena: 3 Coins & 1 VP per wonder stage completed.

Scriptorium: Tablet. Chain to: Courthouse & Library.

Barracks: 1 Shield.
Guard Tower: 1 Shield.
Mercenaries: 3 Shields

Temple: 3 VPs. Chain from: Altar. Chain to: Pantheon.

Bilkis: Once per turn, may pay 1 coin to the bank to generate any one resource.
Caligula: Once per age, build a black card for free.
Amytis: 2 VPs per Wonder stage built.


mith as the Hagia Sophia of Byzantium (B)
Coins: 3
Debt: 4
Strength: 0
Military Tokens: 3x -1, Total: -3 VP

Wonder stages built: 1
(1) 3 VPs, diplomacy. Cost: Paper, Glass, Wood, Ore
(2) 4 VPs, diplomacy. Cost: Cloth, Brick, 2 Ore

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Stone
Clay Pool: Produce Brick
Black Market: Produce one resource you currently do not produce.

Tavern: 5 Coins
East Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the right (eHalcyon). Chain to: Forum.
Vineyard: 1 Coin per brown card in yours+neighbours cities.

Scriptorium: Tablet. Chain to: Courthouse & Library.
Workshop: Gear. Chain to: Archery Range & Laboratory.
Library: Tablet. Chain from: Scriptorium. Chain to: Senate & University.
School: Tablet. Chain to: Academy & Study.
Pigeon Loft: Copy a science symbol on a green card on your left or right.

Guild of Shadows: 1 VP per black card in each of your neighbours cities.

Archimedes: Green cards cost 1 resource less.
Varro: 1 VP per yellow card.
Ramses: All purple cards can be played for free.


eHalcyon as the Pyramids of Gizah (B)
Coins: 21
Debt: 0
Strength: 4
Military Tokens: 2x +1, 1x +3, Total: 5 VP

Wonder stages built: 4
(1) 3 VPs. Cost: 2 Wood
(2) 5 VPs. Cost: 3 Stone
(3) 5 VPs. Cost: 3 Brick
(4) 7 VPs. Cost: Papyrus, 4 Stone

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Stone
Timber Yard: Produce Stone/Wood
Clay Pit: Produce Brick/Ore.
Clay Pool: Produce Brick.

Glassworks: Produce Glass.
Loom: Produce Cloth.

Caravansery: Produce Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood. Chain from: Marketplace. Chain to: Lighthouse.
Arena: 3 Coins & 1 VP per wonder stage completed. Chain from: Dispensary.

Militia: 2 Shields.
Archery Range: 2 Shields. Chain from: Workshop.

Lair: 3 VPs, everyone else loses 2 coins.

Gamer's Guild: 1 VP per three coins owned.

Diocletian: Gain 2 coins for each black card you play.
Midas: 1 VP per three coins owned.


Watno as the Statue of Zeus at Olympia (A)
Coins: 4
Debt: 0
Strength: 6
Military Tokens: -none-, Total: 0 VP

Wonder stages built: 1
(1) 3 VPs. Cost: 2 Wood
(2) 1 free build per age. Cost: 2 Stone
(3) 7 VPs. Cost: 2 Ore

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Wood

Press: Produce Papyrus.

West Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the left (eHalcyon). Chain to: Forum.
Forum: Produce Cloth/Glass/Paper. Chain from: West/East Trading Post. Chain to: Haven.
Vineyard: 1 Coin per brown card in yours+neighbours' cities.

Baths: 3 VPs. Chain to: Aqueduct.
Temple: 3 VPs. Chain from: Altar. Chain to: Pantheon.
Pantheon: 7 VPs. Chain from: Temple.

Apothecary: Compasses. Chain to: Stables & Dispensary.
Laboratory: Gear. Chain from: Workshop. Chain to: Siege Workshop & Observatory.
Library: Tablet. Chain from: Scriptorium. Chain to: Senate & University.

Stockade: 1 Shield.
Archery Range: 2 Shields.  Chain from: Workshop.
Arsenal: 3 Shields.

Croesus: Take 6 coins.
Vitruvius: Gain 2 coins each time you build a card through chaining.
Justinian: 3 VPs per set of green, red and blue cards.



Please check above for mistakes.  I sent my hand to Galz and mith.  Everyone else please forward hands as appropriate, if you haven't already.

[eHalcyon]

Watno and I have chosen.

[eHalcyon]

How are you guys doing on this?

[Galzria]

Waiting on mith. Both pretty straightforward choices though.

[Davio]

Qvist seems to be away for a couple of days.

[mith]

Yeah, we're ready.

[Tables]

We're ready.

[eHalcyon]

Qvist seems to be away for a couple of days.

Do we know when he's coming back?  I don't see a post from him in the V/LA thread.

[eHalcyon]

So does anybody know what's happening with Qvist?

[Galzria]

No... He's been gone 10 days now. We may have to play through without him. Having both choices made by Davio.

[Davio]

No... He's been gone 10 days now. We may have to play through without him. Having both choices made by Davio.

I'm fine with this. I already made a suggestion in the QT, but didn't get a response.
If I play 1 round without him, he can easily join in later.

[eHalcyon]

No... He's been gone 10 days now. We may have to play through without him. Having both choices made by Davio.

I'm fine with this. I already made a suggestion in the QT, but didn't get a response.
If I play 1 round without him, he can easily join in later.

So shall we move forward then? If you have your choices...

[Tables]

Erm let me just check if we have ours (I'm so bad at this)

Edit: We do.

[Davio]

Consider us chosen.

[eHalcyon]

So that means everybody is ready then.

eHalcyon builds Brotherhood, getting $2 from Diocletian. Everyone else loses $3 (or takes debt).
Watno chains University from Library, getting $2 from Vitruvius.

And yeah, once again, everyone has to decide whether to pay debt.

[Davio]

Davio builds Embassy: 3 VPs, diplomacy. Cost: Stone, Cloth, Papyrus.
Qvist builds Magistrates Guild: 1 VP per blue card in each of your neighbours cities. Cost: 3 Wood, Stone, Cloth.

Qvist has to make some payments to make this happen, I of course do not.
Qvist pays 1 Coin to Watno for 1 Wood.
Qvist pays 2 Coins to Davio for 1 Wood.

So Qvist has 1 Coin left, I still have a lot.


We can decide on debt after all the cards have been played, right?

[eHalcyon]

We can decide on debt after all the cards have been played, right?

Yeah, for sure.  Everyone reveals simultaneously, then everyone resolves debt.  I suppose it's hard to resolve debt simultaneously IRL, so everyone just does it?

Watno and I will wait for the others to reveal their cards before revealing what Watno is doing with debt, though his decision is unlikely to change (I think).

[Tables]

Debt is always resolved after all cards are resolved and transactions complete.

Insomn builds Observatory paying me 4 coins, I build Palace paying Insomn 4 coins

[eHalcyon]

Davio, unless I'm missing something, you do not have both Cloth and Papyrus.  That means you DO have to pay Qvist (which you probably want to do anyway). 

You have a Forum so you can produce Papyrus, and then you can pay Qvist $1 for Cloth.

I think that's the only way you can do it since Tables has no grey, though I doubt you'd want to do it another way if it were available.



Edit: very curious what mith discarded in the first hand.  I was thinking it might have been a gear to keep it away from Insomniac, but it appears they let that through...

[Galzria]

Mith chains to:

Senate: 6 VPs. Chain from: Library. Cost: Ore, Stone, 2 Wood.

Galz builds (1 Coin to Bilkis):

Strategists Guild: 1 VP per defeat token in each of your neighbours cities. Cost: 2 Ore, Stone, Cloth.

[eHalcyon]

Figure out debt!

Qvist builds Magistrates Guild, paying Davio $2 and Watno $1 for 2 Wood.
Davio builds Embassy, paying Qvist $1 for Cloth.
Tables builds Palace, paying Insomniac $4 for 2 commodities.
Insomniac builds Observatory, paying Tables $4 for 2 Ore.
Galzria builds Strategists Guild, paying Bilkis $1 for Ore.
mith chains Senate from Library.
eHalcyon builds Brotherhood, getting $2 from Diocletian. Everyone else loses $3 (or takes debt).
Watno chains University from Library, getting $2 from Vitruvius.

Qvist as the Mausoleum of Halikarnassos (A)
Coins: 1
Debt: 1
Strength: 6
Military Tokens: -none-, Total: 0 VP

Wonder stages built: 3

(1) 3 VPs. Cost: 2 Brick
(2) Look through the discard pile and build a card for free. Cost: 3 Ore
(3) 7 VPs. Cost: 2 Cloth

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Cloth
Loom: Produce Cloth
Mine: Produce Ore/Stone
Ore Vein: Produce Ore
Brickyard: Produce 2 Brick

Caravansery: Produce Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood. Chain from: Marketplace. Chain to: Lighthouse.

Gambling Den: 6 Coins. Each neighbour gets 1 coin.
Clandestine Dock West: Once per turn, pay one less coin to buy resources from your left (Watno).

Altar: 2 VPs. Chain to: Temple.

Stockade: 1 Shield.
Walls: 2 Shields.  Chain to: Fortifications.
Fortifications: 3 Shields. Chain from: Walls.

Magistrates Guild: 1 VP per blue card in each of your neighbours cities

Nero: Gain 2 coins for each victory token you earn.
Cleopatra: 5 VPs.


Davio as the Al-Khazneh of Petra (B)
Coins: 18
Debt: 0
Strength: 0
Military Tokens: 4x -1, Total: -4 VP

Wonder stages built: 2
(1) 3 VPs, everyone elses loses 2 coins. Cost: 2 Brick, 2 Ore
(2) 14 VPs. Cost: 14 Coins

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Brick
Tree Farm: Produce Wood/Brick
Stone Pit: Produce Stone

Marketplace: Manufactured Goods cost 1 to buy from both sides
East Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the right (Tables). Chain to: Forum.
West Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the left (Qvist). Chain to: Forum.
Caravansery: Produce Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood. Chain from: Marketplace. Chain to: Lighthouse.
Forum: Produce Cloth/Glass/Paper. Chain from: West/East Trading Post.
Bazaar: 2 Coins per gray card in yours+neighbours cities.
Lighthouse: 1 Coin & 1 VP per yellow card (including this). Chain from: Caravansery.

Clandestine Dock East: Once per turn, pay one less coin to buy resources from your right (Tables).

Aqueduct: 5 VPs. Chain from: Baths.
Courthouse: 4VPs.  Chain from: Scriptorium.

Embassy: 3 VPs, diplomacy.

Spies Guild: 1 VP per red card in each of your neighbours cities.

Xenophon: Gain 2 coins for each yellow card you play.
Phidias: 1 VP per brown card.


Tables as the Colossus of Rhodes (B)
Coins: 19
Debt: 0
Strength: 5
Military Tokens: 2x +1, 2x +3, Total: 8 VP

Wonder stages built: 1
(1) 1 Shield, 3 VPs, 3 Coins. Cost: 3 Stone
(2) 1 Shield, 4 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: 4 Ore

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Ore
Forest Cave: Produce Wood/Ore.
Excavation: Produce Stone/Brick.
Stone Pit: Produce Stone
Foundry: Produce 2 Ore
Secret Warehouse: Produce any one resource that you already produce.

Forum: Produce Cloth/Glass/Paper. Chain from: West/East Trading Post. Chain to: Haven.

Gambling House:  9 Coins. Each neighbour gets 2 coins.
Capitol: 8 VPs.
Slave Market: 1 Coin & 1 VP per victory token.

Statue: 4 VPs. Chain from: Theater. Chain to: Gardens.
Palace: 8 VPs.

Guard Tower: 1 Shield. Cost: Brick.
Stables: 2 Shields. Chain from: Apothecary.
Hannibal: 1 Shield.
Zenobia: 3 VPs.


Insomniac as the Temple of Artemis at Ephesos (B)
Coins: 6
Debt: 0
Strength: 0
Military Tokens: 4x -1, Total: -4 VP

Wonder stages built: 3
(1) 2 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: 2 Stone
(2) 3 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: 2 Wood
(3) 5 VPs, 4 Coins. Cost: Papyrus, Cloth, Glass

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Papyrus
Glassworks: Produce Glass
Loom: Produce Cloth
Lumber Yard: Produce Wood

Tavern: 5 Coins.
Bazaar: 2 Coins per gray card in yours+neighbours cities.

Baths: 3 VPs. Chain to: Aqueduct.

School: Tablet. Chain to: Academy & Study.
Dispensary: Compasses. Chain from: Apothecary. Chain to: Arena & Lodge.
Workshop: Gear. Chain to: Archery Range & Laboratory.
University: Tablet. Chain from: Library.
Observatory: Gear. Chain from: Laboratory.

Aristotle: 3 VPs per science set.
Euclid: Compass.
Solomon: Look through the discard pile and build a card for free.


Galzria as the Lighthouse of Alexandria (B)
Coins: 9
Debt: 2
Strength: 5
Military Tokens: 2x +1, 2x +3, Total: 8 VP

Wonder stages built: 3
(1) Produce one raw material. Cost: 2 Brick
(2) Produce one manufactured good. Cost: 2 Wood
(3) 7 VPs. Cost: 3 Stone

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Glass
Wonder Stage 1: Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood
Wonder Stage 2: Cloth/Glass/Paper
Loom: Produce Cloth
Quarry: Produce two Stone.

Tavern: 5 Coins
Arena: 3 Coins & 1 VP per wonder stage completed.

Scriptorium: Tablet. Chain to: Courthouse & Library.

Barracks: 1 Shield.
Guard Tower: 1 Shield.
Mercenaries: 3 Shields

Temple: 3 VPs. Chain from: Altar. Chain to: Pantheon.

Strategists Guild: 1 VP per defeat token in each of your neighbours cities.

Bilkis: Once per turn, may pay 1 coin to the bank to generate any one resource.
Caligula: Once per age, build a black card for free.
Amytis: 2 VPs per Wonder stage built.


mith as the Hagia Sophia of Byzantium (B)
Coins: 3
Debt: 4
Strength: 0
Military Tokens: 3x -1, Total: -3 VP

Wonder stages built: 1
(1) 3 VPs, diplomacy. Cost: Paper, Glass, Wood, Ore
(2) 4 VPs, diplomacy. Cost: Cloth, Brick, 2 Ore

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Stone
Clay Pool: Produce Brick
Black Market: Produce one resource you currently do not produce.

Tavern: 5 Coins
East Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the right (eHalcyon). Chain to: Forum.
Vineyard: 1 Coin per brown card in yours+neighbours cities.

Scriptorium: Tablet. Chain to: Courthouse & Library.
Workshop: Gear. Chain to: Archery Range & Laboratory.
Library: Tablet. Chain from: Scriptorium. Chain to: Senate & University.
School: Tablet. Chain to: Academy & Study.
Pigeon Loft: Copy a science symbol on a green card on your left or right.

Senate: 6 VPs. Chain from: Library.

Guild of Shadows: 1 VP per black card in each of your neighbours cities.

Archimedes: Green cards cost 1 resource less.
Varro: 1 VP per yellow card.
Ramses: All purple cards can be played for free.


eHalcyon as the Pyramids of Gizah (B)
Coins: 23
Debt: 0
Strength: 4
Military Tokens: 2x +1, 1x +3, Total: 5 VP

Wonder stages built: 4
(1) 3 VPs. Cost: 2 Wood
(2) 5 VPs. Cost: 3 Stone
(3) 5 VPs. Cost: 3 Brick
(4) 7 VPs. Cost: Papyrus, 4 Stone

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Stone
Timber Yard: Produce Stone/Wood
Clay Pit: Produce Brick/Ore.
Clay Pool: Produce Brick.

Glassworks: Produce Glass.
Loom: Produce Cloth.

Caravansery: Produce Brick/Stone/Ore/Wood. Chain from: Marketplace. Chain to: Lighthouse.
Arena: 3 Coins & 1 VP per wonder stage completed. Chain from: Dispensary.

Militia: 2 Shields.
Archery Range: 2 Shields. Chain from: Workshop.

Lair: 3 VPs, everyone else loses 2 coins.
Brotherhood: 4 VPs, everyone else loses 3 coins.

Gamer's Guild: 1 VP per three coins owned.

Diocletian: Gain 2 coins for each black card you play.
Midas: 1 VP per three coins owned.


Watno as the Statue of Zeus at Olympia (A)
Coins: 7
Debt: 0
Strength: 6
Military Tokens: -none-, Total: 0 VP

Wonder stages built: 1
(1) 3 VPs. Cost: 2 Wood
(2) 1 free build per age. Cost: 2 Stone
(3) 7 VPs. Cost: 2 Ore

Tableau
Wonder Resource: Produce Wood

Press: Produce Papyrus.

West Trading Post: Raw materials cost 1 to buy from the left (eHalcyon). Chain to: Forum.
Forum: Produce Cloth/Glass/Paper. Chain from: West/East Trading Post. Chain to: Haven.
Vineyard: 1 Coin per brown card in yours+neighbours' cities.

Baths: 3 VPs. Chain to: Aqueduct.
Temple: 3 VPs. Chain from: Altar. Chain to: Pantheon.
Pantheon: 7 VPs. Chain from: Temple.

Apothecary: Compasses. Chain to: Stables & Dispensary.
Laboratory: Gear. Chain from: Workshop. Chain to: Siege Workshop & Observatory.
Library: Tablet. Chain from: Scriptorium. Chain to: Senate & University.
University: Tablet. Chain from: Library.

Stockade: 1 Shield.
Archery Range: 2 Shields.  Chain from: Workshop.
Arsenal: 3 Shields.

Croesus: Take 6 coins.
Vitruvius: Gain 2 coins each time you build a card through chaining.
Justinian: 3 VPs per set of green, red and blue cards.



Please check above for mistakes.

[eHalcyon]

And a second post to remind:

- decide on debt
- please check for mistakes

[Galzria]

I'll Pay my debt, even if I've committed no crime! Brotherhood? My ***. No brother should steal my monies like that. I need MOAR COINS!

[Galzria]

And I see a mistake!

I'm not winning! What's wrong with you? Fix it! Fix it! Fix it!

(Actually, I haven't looked at scores at all. Things move so slowly it's all I can do to track what I'm doing in my kingdom each turn let alone others. I even forgot mith could chain that this last round and had suggested a different move. Hope we're not terribly behind....)