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Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« on: February 01, 2013, 03:36:54 pm »
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 06:18:32 pm »
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 11:34:52 pm »
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 03:12:41 am »
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 06:35:00 pm »
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 07:10:41 pm »
/in

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4  Nf6
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 07:21:12 pm »
Quote from: liopoil on February 04, 2013, 07:10:41 pm
/in

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4  Nf6
4. d3 (if 4. Nc3, 4. …Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d4)
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2013, 07:23:18 pm »
That 4. Nc3 line isn't too bad for white is it?
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2013, 07:44:36 pm »
Quote from: liopoil on February 04, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
That 4. Nc3 line isn't too bad for white is it?
After the fork, when white Takes with the Bishop and black retakes, black has a better position in the center.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2013, 07:54:46 pm »
no, after 5...d4 white does 6. Bd3.

according to http://chesstempo.com/game-database.html after 6. Bd3 white wins 35.3% of the games, but after 4. d3 white wins 34.8% of the games. Seems pretty equal.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 08:49:45 pm »
4...Bc5 (what I would have played at turn 3 normally(
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 09:16:33 pm »
Quote from: liopoil on February 04, 2013, 07:54:46 pm
no, after 5...d4 white does 6. Bd3.

according to http://chesstempo.com/game-database.html after 6. Bd3 white wins 35.3% of the games, but after 4. d3 white wins 34.8% of the games. Seems pretty equal.
Let's examine that more carefully. After 4.d3, white wins 34.8%, draws 40.5% and loses 24.7%. That's an overall score of 55.05%, which is well within the normal range for a chess opening.

After 4.Nc3 Nxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3, white wins 35.3%, draws 35.3% and loses 29.4%, for an overall score of 52.95%, which is slightly worse than 4.d3 in this regard. So the two lines have approximately equal win percentages, but 4.Nc3 loses significantly more often.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2013, 01:16:05 am »
What Jack Rudd said. Anyway, 5. Bg5.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2013, 10:57:55 am »
good point. Regardless, 4. Nc3 is not a terrible move
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 05:22:49 pm »
Quote from: liopoil on February 07, 2013, 10:57:55 am
good point. Regardless, 4. Nc3 is not a terrible move
Not terrible, just not excellent.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 08:17:22 pm »
5...h6
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 08:58:05 pm »
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 12:36:37 am »
6. Bh4
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2013, 01:38:38 pm »
Anyone opposed to ...g5? It is easily my first instinct here.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2013, 01:40:42 pm »
ewww!
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2013, 01:51:40 pm »
I'm thinking we have to play boring 6...d6 we can play g5 later if we need to break the pin.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2013, 01:59:22 pm »
I still like g5 more, but we can let the next person to weigh in cast the tiebreaker.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2013, 02:33:23 pm »
hold on, I'll think on this.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2013, 02:37:34 pm »
Game so far.

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. d3 Bc5
5. Bg5 h6
6. Bh4

g5 isn't bad, I plan on playing it eventually.  the sequence ...g5 Bg3 d6 seems fine to me.  We could also play ...d6 and wait, likely getting the same position but being slightly more flexible.  Eh, doesn't matter to me.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2013, 02:39:20 pm »
That's what I was thinking. We don't really want to play g5 if we don't have to because it exposes our kingside so castling that way is dangerous.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2013, 02:42:57 pm »
It really seems like we'll eventually play g5 anyway.  But starting with d6 is cool.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2013, 02:55:01 pm »
I'd rather reduce his bishop's options now. If we go g5 he can't go back to his current position. It seems silly to put it off and give him a turn to develop a piece. (Especially since we seem to be of the opinion that we'll probably be doing it anyways.)

Though it exposes our kingside and hurts our castling chances there, I don't like castling kingside in this game since he's already got his other bishop pointed right where we'd be castling to. I'd rather try  to castle Queenside or even leave the king in the middle than castle kingside into a bishop's line of attack.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2013, 03:01:31 pm »
Eh, but in the greater seem of things, we'll probably end up doing both of them before the game is over. So ummm... ...g5. AHA (next time I make a move I'll do the opposite of what I was arguing for.)
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2013, 03:02:52 pm »
Yeah I think g5 is fine.   I expect to castle queenside and I am fine with the idea of a Bg3 staring at the e5 rock for quite a while.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2013, 03:03:14 pm »
11...g5 (if 12. Bg3 then 12...d6).

I doubt anyone has objections to d6, right?
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2013, 03:08:00 pm »
None here.
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Re: Chess: Morgrim — f.ds
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2013, 03:11:26 pm »
That's probably the right move actually. I didn't consider the castling queenside option enough. I feel that it very likely doesn't matter because it would almost certainly transpose.

wait, we're on move 6, not 11...

7...d5 would be cool if the e5 pawn didn't fall :p. So yeah, d6 after Bg3
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