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[Robz888]

But town players find ways to get around their VLAs. Look at my brother. It was his birthday yesterday, he was still all over the forums. I go somewhere, I' on my phone checking stuff. Ask Eevee.

Not all players are the same in this regard.  I have no phone; when I go dark because I need to focus on work, I GO DARK.  This unwritten expectation that to be town one cannot be away is an anathema to keeping mafia games enjoyable.

I'm not saying you have to always be here. I'm saying having an excuse to disappear for long amounts of times IS and HAS BEEN a tactic utilized by scum. And you said it deserves a free pass.

[shraeye]

And you said it deserves a free pass.

A valid reason for being away from the forums will always get zero suspicion from me; and it is my clear opinion that it should receive no suspicion from others.

[Robz888]

And you said it deserves a free pass.

A valid reason for being away from the forums will always get zero suspicion from me; and it is my clear opinion that it should receive no suspicion from others.

Okay, and this will cause you to lose games more often, so that's frustrating. Which makes me think you're scum.

[Robz888]

In Blitz mafia, people's VLA excuses need to be scrutinized, not waved away and chaked up to "free pass!"

In regular mafia maybe. But even then, I guarantee you that scum come up with more VLA excuses than town.

[shraeye]

In Blitz mafia, people's VLA excuses need to be scrutinized, not waved away and chaked up to "free pass!"

In regular mafia maybe. But even then, I guarantee you that scum come up with more VLA excuses than town.

So you disbelieve techno-free Tuesday?  I do not.

[Robz888]

In Blitz mafia, people's VLA excuses need to be scrutinized, not waved away and chaked up to "free pass!"

In regular mafia maybe. But even then, I guarantee you that scum come up with more VLA excuses than town.

So you disbelieve techno-free Tuesday?  I do not.

I believe it; we know mail-mi isn't scum now. He's a Neighborizer. But previously, it was ridiculous to give him a free pass for the entire first day and a half of a three day game. And it's not that I thought he was lying completely, he was just stretching his VLA to get himself as much safe time as possible.

[Robz888]

Oh, I mean to be voting for you, btw

Vote: shraeye

[spiritbears]

I don't know how you could have missed my play....oh ya, you werent around at that critical deadline

[Robz888]

I don't know how you could have missed my play....oh ya, you werent around at that critical deadline

But that's not scummy! Just ask shraeye.

[mail-mi]

These are traits of scum Robz that I have seen before.

[shraeye]

mail-mi, who are your top suspects for Robz's partner?

[mail-mi]

He's been pushing away from you so much that I'm beginning to suspect he's ur partner

And efhw. You two.

[shraeye]

He's been pushing away from you so much that I'm beginning to suspect he's ur partner

And efhw. You two.

What's your scumread on EFHW coming from?

[spiritbears]

Can we please get a vote count in here???  I'm losing track

[mail-mi]

From my quick read through, she was just acting generally scummy (no time to point out specifics)

And mcmc (conftown) and my mostly-towny reads have a scummy read on her.

[shraeye]

Vote Count 2-2

mail-mi (1) - Robz
Robz888 (2) - Shraeye, Mail-Mi

Not Voting (4) - Jimmmmm, Mcmcsalot, EFHW, Spiritbears

Deadline is 8:15am PDT April 25 (11:15am forum time EDT)

This should be accurate, with the exception that Robz moved to me.

[spiritbears]

Thanks. I feel like our choices are really thin here, I don't have a clear scum read to fall back on.

[mail-mi]

My top three lynches, in order:

1.Robz
2.EFHW
3.Shraeye

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 2-3

shraeye (1) - Robz
Robz888 (2) - Shraeye, Mail-Mi

Not Voting (4) - Jimmmmm, Mcmcsalot, EFHW, Spiritbears

Deadline is 8:15am PDT April 25 (11:15am forum time EDT)

[Robz888]

I'm voting for shraeye, not mail-mi.

[mail-mi]

Signing off for today, hope Robz is scum! (prob scum)

[Robz888]

Im not. I have a free pass.

[EFHW]

Vote: Robz

What's happening with mcmc's vig?  I wouldn't use it on Robz, and I was wrong on mcmc and Eevee, so I hesitate to recommend.  But if I had to pick, I'd say .... Ugh.  Spiritbears. 

Jimmmmm has also been very quiet, though.  Just asked me why I mentioned him as a possibility, hasn't said much else.  He hasn't done anything scummy, just not done much in general.

[EFHW]

Regarding vla, this is the internet.  We can't confirm or refute what people do.  You are free to believe or disbelieve, but I really don't think it can ever be obvious that someone is lying, unless you see them actually post somewhere else on the forum.

[EFHW]

Regarding Robz's argument about "free pass" and "good town play", I am of two minds.  I think he is right to question mail-mi's absence, and when it extended into Day 2 I was also getting suspicious.  But regarding town play, he hasn't done anything positive for town besides these arguments and insulting people.  There is more to talk about besides mail-mi's vla.  Why isn't Jimmmmm getting the same amount of heat?  Also weird, I defended mail-mi several times, never got a peep of disagreement from Robz even though he says he thinks I'm scummy.  Is he paying attn to the game?