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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #275 on: April 24, 2013, 11:25:14 am »

But mafia have a choice to be either investigation-proof or bullet-proof, right?

nope, they have choice of investigation-proof or suicidal, they die and I go with them.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #276 on: April 24, 2013, 11:26:21 am »

oooh, neato!  That's real strong for town then, as dayviggers can't have their kills blocked.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #277 on: April 24, 2013, 11:27:23 am »

and it helpfully alleviates all suspicions I have of you, because dayviggers are 100% confirmable.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #278 on: April 24, 2013, 11:29:05 am »

So lets pretend jimm is the other fool with dayvig.
even if both witches chose suicidal(the anti vig power)

Town: mcmc, jimm, spirit, shraeye
Scum: robz, efhw, mail-mi

I shoot efhw, if she is town then we know both scum players and win, if she is scum I blow up.

Town: jimm, spirit, shraeye
Scum: robz, mail-mi

Jimm shoots either one and you win or lynch the other.

Obviously jimm may not be the power role but one of them is.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #279 on: April 24, 2013, 11:31:15 am »

and it helpfully alleviates all suspicions I have of you, because dayviggers are 100% confirmable.

oh yea I thought that out, wouldn't have said anything if it was an investigation or the neighborizor.

I was a fool last time, I still think vig is by far the best. Investigation is only useful on a scum result due to investigation proof possibility. That means you are either doing nothing or catching scum. The vig either clears a townie(killing them) or catches scum. Still much better.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #280 on: April 24, 2013, 11:35:42 am »

I LOVE YOU SPIRITBEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO CLUTCH, thank you for bieng around to help really cannot see him bieng scum if i'm not nk'd.

I don't understand how you living clears him in particular.  Wouldn't any scum pair have rationally tried to NK you, unless they were bulletproof?

I think you living either is dangerous scum-play, or because they aren't afraid of you.
I guess I'm a little confused at MC's optimism.  Eevee gets mislunch and Yuma---a very helpful townie is gone.  Also, can someone explain to why we lost Eevee when he only had 3 votes?
We lynch the person with the most votes.

I am optimistic not that we lost 2 townies but that I am alive.

I am clearing you and shraeye due to the working to save me.

So that means confirmed town for me is: mcmc, shraeye, spirit, eevee, yuma
So our only possible scum is in: robz, jimm, efhw, mail-mi.

Neither of you have claimed fool so one of them is. That means we have 3 possible scum. If the other fool picked dayvig as well, thats game over we win bang bang lynch.
I'm not sure what Shyrae did to save you...other than he vocally disapproved of lunching Eevee, which I agreed with and I think gives him some decent town cred.

Well in to the our next play. I think Robzz has some answering to do for his tunneling Eevee z(MC you didn't disagree with hjs ultra-meta case). I'm less down to lynch Mai.  But that will depend on what he says and whether he joins this game in any real way.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #281 on: April 24, 2013, 11:42:05 am »

But if shraeye was scum he would have nk'd me. Or not changed his vote from you spirit, then it would have only been 2 votes eevee and 2 votes on me so secret democracy would have came in.

Our next play is getting the other pr to claim and see what power they grabbed. Then we have our pool of three possible scum and fire away.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #282 on: April 24, 2013, 12:04:45 pm »

But if shraeye was scum he would have nk'd me. Or not changed his vote from you spirit, then it would have only been 2 votes eevee and 2 votes on me so secret democracy would have came in.

Our next play is getting the other pr to claim and see what power they grabbed. Then we have our pool of three possible scum and fire away.
That's true.
Are you suggesting mass claim or just pr claims?
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #283 on: April 24, 2013, 12:16:17 pm »

But if shraeye was scum he would have nk'd me. Or not changed his vote from you spirit, then it would have only been 2 votes eevee and 2 votes on me so secret democracy would have came in.

Our next play is getting the other pr to claim and see what power they grabbed. Then we have our pool of three possible scum and fire away.
That's true.
Are you suggesting mass claim or just pr claims?

This game is an open set up, 2 fools(town power roles) 2 witches(scum) so assuming noone is going to claim witch yes I just want the other fool the claim. Oh I guess I want him to claim what power he picked as well. Unless its neighborize. Then I guess idk what we do probably he should stay quiet.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #284 on: April 24, 2013, 12:24:20 pm »

So I guess techno-free tuesday is two days long? Vote: mail-mi, this is ridiculous.

Sorry about Eevee but not really because he was and is still wrong. Mail-mi has posted ONCE this entire game. Free pass!
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #285 on: April 24, 2013, 12:27:23 pm »

So I guess techno-free tuesday is two days long? Vote: mail-mi, this is ridiculous.

Sorry about Eevee but not really because he was and is still wrong. Mail-mi has posted ONCE this entire game. Free pass!

Wanna comment on anything else I had to say...
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #286 on: April 24, 2013, 12:32:02 pm »

Yeah, your thinking on vigilante is totally wrong, and I doubt the other person should claim.

There are two reasons that scum would leave the vig alive, one general one and one specific one.

The general one: Vigs usually hit town! Seriously, vigs are murderers of town most of the time. Scum do not fear them. They are an asset.

Secondly, scum probably how has the suicidal vengeance thing!
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #287 on: April 24, 2013, 12:33:45 pm »

Sorry about Eevee but not really because he was and is still wrong. Mail-mi has posted ONCE this entire game. Free pass!

I will back up eevee to the end, everything was great, including the sac he made at the end.  day 1 free pass was given, which requires a more serious day 2 from mail-mi.  I am very much waiting for him to say things.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #288 on: April 24, 2013, 12:36:17 pm »

Sorry about Eevee but not really because he was and is still wrong. Mail-mi has posted ONCE this entire game. Free pass!

I will back up eevee to the end, everything was great, including the sac he made at the end.  day 1 free pass was given, which requires a more serious day 2 from mail-mi.  I am very much waiting for him to say things.

Okay, well I will cash in a free pass now. See ya, maybe I will post on same later day. It's National Robz Can't Use The Internet Day!

In case anyone is confused--though how you could be is baffling to me--shraeye and mail-mi are the most obvious scum pair in scum history, and Eevee was their dupe. Don't let them win.

I would help, but it's National Robz Can't Use the Internet Day.

Carry on!
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #289 on: April 24, 2013, 12:44:44 pm »

In case anyone is confused--though how you could be is baffling to me--shraeye and mail-mi are the most obvious scum pair in scum history, and Eevee was their dupe. Don't let them win.

Yeah, exactly as "obvious" as that scum-eevee who first defended mail-mi.  i hope you see exactly how absurd this sounds, and I hope others do too.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #290 on: April 24, 2013, 12:47:47 pm »

In case anyone is confused--though how you could be is baffling to me--shraeye and mail-mi are the most obvious scum pair in scum history, and Eevee was their dupe. Don't let them win.

Yeah, exactly as "obvious" as that scum-eevee who first defended mail-mi.  i hope you see exactly how absurd this sounds, and I hope others do too.

I would answer you but I have a convenient VLA for all of Day 2.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #291 on: April 24, 2013, 12:52:27 pm »

f.DS mafia players, as a whole, have zero respect for V/LA.  I refuse to vote for a case on anyone due to V/LA circumstances.  Not available=not available, not a scum tactic.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #292 on: April 24, 2013, 12:54:19 pm »

Well hmm you would be without a town power role/ic if you it wasn't for shraeye. A position I would not have been in if some more townies were around at deadline. Like I said if shraeye is scum there were 2 townies on at deadline so screw it I'm giving the win to shraeye.

Why in the hell would the other fool not claim. Our power is one shot, claiming makes you an ic and then you can use you power and give us results. Also robz vig is not likely to hit town when with power roles alone we are at 3 unconfirmed town/2 scum. Also what rock are you living under they want to keep me because they have the suicide power? Because a 1 for 1 trade is always good for scum right. Also the dayvig is not a typical kill, we seethe flip before a lynch or a scum nk. Killing a townie with it isn't the worst thing in the world.

We have 7 alive. If we vigged 2 townies it's 3/2 and two of those town are Ic's whic means there is 1 town 2 scum. I'm guessing we can lynch scum that way leaving us with 2/1 again one town is ic so we have a 50% chance of hitting scum.

That's if both dayvigs hit town...you think that's good for scum.

If investigation gets 2 town results(these cannot be trusted)
It's 5/2 with two Ic's 3/2 then even if we hit scum 4/1 with one ic so 3/1 not a good chance to hit scum. So I don't see how vig is bad it speeds the game up at worst and kills scum at best.

Robz is pretty high up my list of people to vig now but still need to wait for the other power role to claim because oh yea I like narrowing our pool of potential scum.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #293 on: April 24, 2013, 12:56:23 pm »

In case anyone is confused--though how you could be is baffling to me--shraeye and mail-mi are the most obvious scum pair in scum history, and Eevee was their dupe. Don't let them win.

Yeah, exactly as "obvious" as that scum-eevee who first defended mail-mi.  i hope you see exactly how absurd this sounds, and I hope others do too.

I would answer you but I have a convenient VLA for all of Day 2.

Your super helpful. Robz is scum with suicide and wants me to dayvig we should most likely save out lynch for him and I wi vig the scummier of who's left out of efhw,Jimm,mail-mi after one of them claims pr. Even neighborize should claim, the ic is better than talking to someone who's alignment you don't know.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #294 on: April 24, 2013, 12:57:41 pm »

Don't just wait for PR claim.  I want to hear more from Jimmm, who got very busy yesterday.  And definitely we need more from mail-mi.
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« Reply #295 on: April 24, 2013, 12:59:17 pm »

Well hmm you would be without a town power role/ic if you it wasn't for shraeye. A position I would not have been in if some more townies were around at deadline. Like I said if shraeye is scum there were 2 townies on at deadline so screw it I'm giving the win to shraeye.

Why in the hell would the other fool not claim. Our power is one shot, claiming makes you an ic and then you can use you power and give us results. Also robz vig is not likely to hit town when with power roles alone we are at 3 unconfirmed town/2 scum. Also what rock are you living under they want to keep me because they have the suicide power? Because a 1 for 1 trade is always good for scum right. Also the dayvig is not a typical kill, we seethe flip before a lynch or a scum nk. Killing a townie with it isn't the worst thing in the world.

We have 7 alive. If we vigged 2 townies it's 3/2 and two of those town are Ic's whic means there is 1 town 2 scum. I'm guessing we can lynch scum that way leaving us with 2/1 again one town is ic so we have a 50% chance of hitting scum.

That's if both dayvigs hit town...you think that's good for scum.

If investigation gets 2 town results(these cannot be trusted)
It's 5/2 with two Ic's 3/2 then even if we hit scum 4/1 with one ic so 3/1 not a good chance to hit scum. So I don't see how vig is bad it speeds the game up at worst and kills scum at best.

Robz is pretty high up my list of people to vig now but still need to wait for the other power role to claim because oh yea I like narrowing our pool of potential scum.

First of all, the other person might not be able to claim, it could be mail mi who isn't playing, or it could be Jimm who is on Australia time.

Why give the win to shraeye for playing textbook scum? And obviously he'd much rather have you alive, having won your trust, so that you can kill some townies. He would rather have you alive, on his side, shooting townies. He prefers that to lynching you, yes, absolutely.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #296 on: April 24, 2013, 01:00:29 pm »

Oh brother, you are scum shraeye's dupe right now.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 2 Start
« Reply #297 on: April 24, 2013, 01:02:38 pm »

Oh brother, you are scum shraeye's dupe right now.
Appeal to Emotion.  make an argument that doesn't involve mail-mi being V/LA.
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« Reply #298 on: April 24, 2013, 01:03:49 pm »

Oh brother, you are scum shraeye's dupe right now.
Appeal to Emotion.  make an argument that doesn't involve mail-mi being V/LA.

Don't tell me what to do, scum.
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« Reply #299 on: April 24, 2013, 01:04:32 pm »

Shoot me, lynch me, do whatever you want. This is the stupidest game ever.
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