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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #200 on: April 24, 2013, 09:06:46 am »

I too think Robz has been very "arms swinging" as you put it, but I'm not sure if that aggressiveness has actually been channeled into "aggressive scumhunting".  That's my take.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #201 on: April 24, 2013, 09:07:43 am »

I actually agree that Robz's attack on Eevee (and mail-mi) seemed excessive.  I never had a problem with Eevee defending mail-mi.  Robz calls people scum emphatically to see what happens, though, so I'm not sure if it's a scumtell or not.  All the times I've seen him do that, he was town.  He's not being active, but I've never played a game where he was.  So, I guess he takes Jimmmmm's place on my list, but I don't think I would vote yet.
Eevee is lurking.

How do we decide this?  If mcmc is not going to fly tonight/this a.m. I'm willing to switch to Eevee, but only if he's going thru.

Why are you intent on seeing Eevee die?

I'm not.  I'm worried about no lynch.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #202 on: April 24, 2013, 09:12:45 am »

I actually agree that Robz's attack on Eevee (and mail-mi) seemed excessive.  I never had a problem with Eevee defending mail-mi.  Robz calls people scum emphatically to see what happens, though, so I'm not sure if it's a scumtell or not.  All the times I've seen him do that, he was town.  He's not being active, but I've never played a game where he was.  So, I guess he takes Jimmmmm's place on my list, but I don't think I would vote yet.
Eevee is lurking.

How do we decide this?  If mcmc is not going to fly tonight/this a.m. I'm willing to switch to Eevee, but only if he's going thru.

Why are you intent on seeing Eevee die?

I'm not.  I'm worried about no lynch.

this game has a hidden democracy vote, yes?
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In the event that 2 players are tied for the most votes at deadline, hidden democracy will be used.

so a no lynch is less likely to happen.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #203 on: April 24, 2013, 09:14:00 am »

Oh, I thought that meant Insom chose randomly!  How does hidden democracy work?
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #204 on: April 24, 2013, 09:15:29 am »

Guess that bastard game really had it's effect on me!
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #205 on: April 24, 2013, 09:16:18 am »

I think deadline is in 105 minutes, unless I'm counting wrong.  I'll be on again at 10:30 after I teach.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #206 on: April 24, 2013, 09:17:29 am »

Oh, I thought that meant Insom chose randomly!  How does hidden democracy work?

I have never done it before... but basically if there is a tie between two players, we will all PM insomniac our choice of who to lynch (everyone has to vote I believe) and the person with the most will be lynched and our choices will become public knowledge at the time of the flip. Since there are 9 alive one will get a majority if everyone votes.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #207 on: April 24, 2013, 09:21:02 am »

Oh, I thought that meant Insom chose randomly!  How does hidden democracy work?

I have never done it before... but basically if there is a tie between two players, we will all PM insomniac our choice of who to lynch (everyone has to vote I believe) and the person with the most will be lynched and our choices will become public knowledge at the time of the flip. Since there are 9 alive one will get a majority if everyone votes.
Ok, and I see now if no one has 5 the one with most is lynched.  That changes things.  What I meant before was that I didn't want to change my vote, but would to prevent no lynch. 

Vote count please
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #208 on: April 24, 2013, 09:22:42 am »


I'm not.  I'm worried about no lynch.

So in a blitz game, a lynch will always happen.  Right now mcmcsalot is on the line because he's got the most votes.

I'd still love to see Robz get that spot instead.  I'm still suspicious of spiritbears as well.  yuma always makes me uneasy, but i definitely prefer the mcmcsalot lynch over a sudden switch to him, as I have no evidence backing up that unease. 
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - PMS SENT
« Reply #209 on: April 24, 2013, 09:23:05 am »

Vote Count 1-3

EFHW (1) - Jimmmm
Eevee (2) - Robz888, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3) - yuma, spiritbears, EFHW
Robz888 (1) - shraeye

Not Voting (2) - Eevee, mail-mi

Deadline: April 24 8:00am PDT, 11AM forum time (EDT)

Nobody has changed their vote since this.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #210 on: April 24, 2013, 09:24:05 am »

I'm out to teach for an hour.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #211 on: April 24, 2013, 09:28:42 am »

I am definitely leaning town on robz play style, when I said eevee was sticking his head out I didn't mean just I that post, robz had been guns out already and eevee stepped into the ring with him in mail-mi's defense. Also when I said eevee is scummy ether way I was explaining robz statement. I am voting for eevee because he is coming across as attempting to copy old eevee playstyle by buddying and making blanket town reads on people. I will do a revised post count when I get back from class.

In blitz games your required to post a lot and fast. So I think meta reads work a lot better here.

Depending on post count and reread I could vote for eevee, efhw, spirit. At least that's what I am thinking now.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #212 on: April 24, 2013, 10:09:08 am »

Hey guys, sorry for my absence, I've been a lot busier today than I thought I'd be. I'm on night shift tonight and while I can't contribute that much at the moment since I have actual work to do, I will be able to post a lot in a couple of hours when there's nothing to do here.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #213 on: April 24, 2013, 10:12:48 am »

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

Why not? Gotta bail out your scumbuddy?

I dont think inventing a VLA to bail out from posting is a likely scum strategy for mailmi or anyone really. Not a town tell either, just null.

You're wrong. It is obviously a scum strategy, we've seen it in practice as a scum strategy, and more specifically it fits mail-mi, who is clumsy as scum. So you're just super wrong. But are you scum trying to buddy a townie, or are you sticking your neck out for scumpartner?

This is Robz's aggressive post, which also turned out to be inaccurate.  In MXX, he called Sudgy "caught flailing scum", and Sudgy was town, and so was Robz.  His insistence on being right and his claiming that he was being logical is scummy, because of course it's possible that mail-mi was legitimately vla. 

So Eevee got provoked by this, which was the point.  Would town!Eevee let it get to him is the question.

mcmc and Robz have both been energetic in making weak cases.  Eevee has been less friendly and level-headed than usual.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #214 on: April 24, 2013, 10:13:58 am »

MXXI - the newbie game.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #215 on: April 24, 2013, 10:19:57 am »

Okay doing a list a bit backwards.

Town(will not vote): Jimm, shraeye, Yuma
Swing spot(could vote pending more info): robz, spirit, mail-mi, efhw
Scum(would vote): eevee

Breakdown

Jimm/shraeye/Yuma: I have reviewed previous games with these guys they are playin exactly like I except them to play as town they are ordered strongest to weakest based on how likely I think it is they could fake this as scum. Either way they are also helpful and not a good lynch D1

Robz: I'm leaning town because coming out the way he did was pro town. This is blitz we are approaching deadline the interaction robz created because he came on so strong is one of the few things we have to analyze and forced people to make stances also making is strong and short it was likely to evoke quick reactions from people which are better for revealing alignment.

Spirit: sheeped me early, then voted me for a meta read on me, then hedged me/robz case. Hasn't contributed as much as I would like and has flown under the radar a bit. Some concrete stances could away me toward a town read. Or at least make me more comfortable with you around.

Mail-mi: has been given a pass, I would also like to assume the v/la thread is separate for this game and therefor not to be used for a scum cover. I think these two events(v/la and scum draw) could have overlapped. I also think mail-mi should work a bit harder to help us out when he can get back here to do so.

Efhw: I was suspicious early due to your paranoia and false statement toward me. I was wrong about my meta statement for how scum!efhw has handled rvs in the past. You also explained your post about rvs'ing in a strange way let me grab those.
I don't want to RVS, but if I was RVS'ing I'd vote for mcmc because that's what I always do.  I hope we're on the same team this time, for once!

The comment wasn't about RVS'ing mcmc, which I haven't done. It was about how mcmc and I always end up on opposite teams (in the 3 games I've been in so far).   I guess this is 4.

I'm going to vote mcmc, but before I do, what L is he at?
Okay so just to clarify your original post meant what? If you were rvs'ing you would vote for me because we are always on different teams? Because that is not what you said you said you always vote for me. Then I the second post you vote for me, could I have some reasons please.(if I missed them just point it out)
Anyway, I can believe the opening confusion and if your voting me for why I think you are I can see it as a town!efhw vote. I also think you did handle the case on you well and think I am leaning more town as I continually review.

Eevee: I have given reasons before, many of his posts pull at emotions and he has stated a few town reads without a whole lot of definable backing which is typical eevee buddying. I think this is fake. I also so his extended go with robz scummy especially how he ended it with a this is sad post. It's a way to drop out of that spotlight put on the two of them without changing stances. Also he reacted defensively to getting called a lurker, I believe many of the things he has done point to caught scum.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - PMS SENT
« Reply #216 on: April 24, 2013, 10:21:09 am »

Vote Count 1-3

EFHW (1) - Jimmmm
Eevee (2) - Robz888, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (3) - yuma, spiritbears, EFHW
Robz888 (1) - shraeye

Not Voting (2) - Eevee, mail-mi

Deadline: April 24 8:00am PDT, 11AM forum time (EDT)

Nobody has changed their vote since this.

Eevee voted for mcmc
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #217 on: April 24, 2013, 10:23:49 am »

I have to go, be back in a few hours.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - PMS SENT
« Reply #218 on: April 24, 2013, 10:24:43 am »

Vote Count 1-4

EFHW (1) - Jimmmm
Eevee (2) - Robz888, mcmcsalot
mcmcsalot (4) - yuma, spiritbears, EFHW, Eevee {L-1}
Robz888 (1) - shraeye

Not Voting (1) - mail-mi

Deadline: April 24 8:00am PDT, 11AM forum time (EDT), ~35 mins
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #219 on: April 24, 2013, 10:25:05 am »

I have to go, be back in a few hours.

Deadline is in 30 min?
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #220 on: April 24, 2013, 10:28:29 am »

Shraeye/Jimm/mail-mi willing to lynch eevee over me because that's what it's getting to. Unless we can get here and get something else going quock
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #221 on: April 24, 2013, 10:32:06 am »

At this point, I'm not willing to Eevee.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #222 on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:02 am »

At this point, I'm not willing to Eevee.
Me either.  At this juncture.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #223 on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:17 am »

Spirit: sheeped me early, then voted me for a meta read on me, then hedged me/robz case. Hasn't contributed as much as I would like and has flown under the radar a bit. Some concrete stances could away me toward a town read. Or at least make me more comfortable with you around.
This is something that I agree with.  spirit has done a lot of fly under the radar.  I would switch to him.
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Re: ZM12: Loco!...Like the Motive That Betrayed Me - Day 1 Start
« Reply #224 on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:39 am »

In fact, make it so

vote: spiritbears
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